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Dear Red States
Dawne Peterson wrote:
"Jangchub" wrote . The part I don't understand is, what the hell is it anyone's business if gay men and women want to marry? What is this crap about semantics, civil unions, marriage, legal contract, whatever anyone wants to call it. Do they love one another any less than any other couple? The state has an interest in who can marry, partly one of protection (you can't marry below a certain age) Obviously, protecting against child marriage is one thing, but "protecting against" two consenting adults is something else entirely. -- Karen C - California Editor/Proofreader www.IntlProofingConsortium.com Finished 10/7/08 - Sun Fun (Dimensions) WIP: Nativity from "Countdown to Christmas" book, Oriental Kimono (Janlynn), MLI The Teacher (gift to the library), Bethany Angel (Marbek) Retrieved from UFO pile: Marbek's Snow Angel, MLI Farmers Market CFSfacts -- where we give you the facts and dispel the myths Myths, with research cites: http://www.aacfs.org/images/pdfs/myths.pdf Newest research blog: http://cfs-facts.blogspot.com/ |
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Dear Red States
Dawne Peterson wrote:
"Karen C in California" wrote.. Personally, I've been propositioned by a couple of lesbians who think that because I'm divorced I should hate men. Did I cry on S's shoulder when my relationship broke up? Yeah. Did I find her sexually attractive while I was doing it? No. She just happened to be the nearest person when I got the news. I am 150% hetero; when I got married, it was Hallelujah, I never have to live with women again. Um, not all lesbians hate men. Didn't say they "all" do. Just the ones who propositioned me thought my bad experience with a man should've made me hate men. -- Karen C - California Editor/Proofreader www.IntlProofingConsortium.com Finished 10/7/08 - Sun Fun (Dimensions) WIP: Nativity from "Countdown to Christmas" book, Oriental Kimono (Janlynn), MLI The Teacher (gift to the library), Bethany Angel (Marbek) Retrieved from UFO pile: Marbek's Snow Angel, MLI Farmers Market CFSfacts -- where we give you the facts and dispel the myths Myths, with research cites: http://www.aacfs.org/images/pdfs/myths.pdf Newest research blog: http://cfs-facts.blogspot.com/ |
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Dear Red States
Pat in Illinois wrote:
It worked for the Golden Girls! Pat in Illinois Dawne Peterson wrote: "Karen C in California" wrote.. I am 150% hetero; when I got married, it was Hallelujah, I never have to live with women again. My Best GFs and I often talk about living together in our old age, and we are not entirely kidding. Dawne Some of my guy friends and I have talked about living together in our old age. They rather like the idea of a roommate who can cook more than hot dogs, and I like the idea of a roommate who can passionately discuss baseball and politics. -- Karen C - California Editor/Proofreader www.IntlProofingConsortium.com Finished 10/7/08 - Sun Fun (Dimensions) WIP: Nativity from "Countdown to Christmas" book, Oriental Kimono (Janlynn), MLI The Teacher (gift to the library), Bethany Angel (Marbek) Retrieved from UFO pile: Marbek's Snow Angel, MLI Farmers Market CFSfacts -- where we give you the facts and dispel the myths Myths, with research cites: http://www.aacfs.org/images/pdfs/myths.pdf Newest research blog: http://cfs-facts.blogspot.com/ |
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Dear Red States
Dawne Peterson wrote:
I am afraid I am Betty White You are not that ditzy. -- Karen C - California Editor/Proofreader www.IntlProofingConsortium.com Finished 10/7/08 - Sun Fun (Dimensions) WIP: Nativity from "Countdown to Christmas" book, Oriental Kimono (Janlynn), MLI The Teacher (gift to the library), Bethany Angel (Marbek) Retrieved from UFO pile: Marbek's Snow Angel, MLI Farmers Market CFSfacts -- where we give you the facts and dispel the myths Myths, with research cites: http://www.aacfs.org/images/pdfs/myths.pdf Newest research blog: http://cfs-facts.blogspot.com/ |
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Dear Red States
Lucille wrote:
I'm not sure I understand what you're saying. How is a civil ceremony by a judge or a Justice of the Peace not separate from a religious one???? Lucille Many of the European countries, you go down to City Hall and are married by a bureaucrat. If you choose to then go down to the church and have it officially blessed, that's fine, but you have to have the City Hall marriage in addition. In the US, it's usually an either/or situation. -- Karen C - California Editor/Proofreader www.IntlProofingConsortium.com Finished 10/7/08 - Sun Fun (Dimensions) WIP: Nativity from "Countdown to Christmas" book, Oriental Kimono (Janlynn), MLI The Teacher (gift to the library), Bethany Angel (Marbek) Retrieved from UFO pile: Marbek's Snow Angel, MLI Farmers Market CFSfacts -- where we give you the facts and dispel the myths Myths, with research cites: http://www.aacfs.org/images/pdfs/myths.pdf Newest research blog: http://cfs-facts.blogspot.com/ |
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Dear Red States
Jangchub wrote:
On Sat, 08 Nov 2008 10:46:38 -0800, Karen C in California wrote: Jangchub wrote: The part I don't understand is, what the hell is it anyone's business if gay men and women want to marry? Exactly. How exactly does it threaten YOUR marriage that Larry and Moe have married each other? Do these people think that they'll be forced to divorce each other and marry gay people? Live and let live. I'll even go as far as to say that possibly it is against someone's religion. Okay, I can totally understand because there are vows I break in my practice as well. So, very simply I don't participate in the acts which I've vowed not to. Precisely. It's against my friend's religion to eat pork, but he's not out there trying to get pork outlawed for the rest of us. -- Karen C - California Editor/Proofreader www.IntlProofingConsortium.com Finished 10/7/08 - Sun Fun (Dimensions) WIP: Nativity from "Countdown to Christmas" book, Oriental Kimono (Janlynn), MLI The Teacher (gift to the library), Bethany Angel (Marbek) Retrieved from UFO pile: Marbek's Snow Angel, MLI Farmers Market CFSfacts -- where we give you the facts and dispel the myths Myths, with research cites: http://www.aacfs.org/images/pdfs/myths.pdf Newest research blog: http://cfs-facts.blogspot.com/ |
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Dear Red States
Lucille wrote:
What I was trying to say is you can get married in a civil ceremony and you don't need to have a religious ceremony. I have friends who simply went to the court house and got married before a judge. You can, but there still really isn't much of a concept of a separation of civil and religious marriage, as there is in many other countries where people typically have two ceremonies-- one civil that makes them legally married in the eyes of the state and a separate ceremony, if they wish, according to the dictates of their religion. The state focuses on the legal/ contractual aspects of marriage and has much less to do with the question of what marriages satisfy the requirements of what religion. In the US, even though you aren't required to have a religious ceremony to get married, the concept of marriage is still pretty monolithic, so when the state considers the question of who should or shouldn't get the legal status of "married," people get all riled up about whether or not the state's definition fits their religion's definition. Most people don't really deal with the concept that the state and their religion might have different requirements. People in the US aren't used to thinking of it that way, so anything the state does to change something about marriage is construed as an attack on marriage. Best wishes, Ericka |
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Dear Red States
Ericka wrote:
so anything the state does to change something about marriage is construed as an attack on marriage. Or, an attack on religion. There is quite a bit of confusion over whether or not our United States was *founded* by religious people's who wrote the Constitution based on religious law, most notably the Ten Commandments. That's not true, but in this day and age, it's hard to convince some that religion had nothing whatsoever to do with our founding. And indeed some of the founding fathers were quite suspect of religion. Dianne -- Affordable & Creative Website Design - including Flash and more. No Templates. Designed Just For You! http://Kanen5Designs.com |
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Dear Red States
"Karen C in California" wrote in message Dawne Peterson wrote: I am afraid I am Betty White You are not that ditzy. You have no idea. And I am pretty likely to win any "Most Likely to Have Gone to St. Olaf's" contest. Dawne |
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