Propane

Well, I've closed my shop, mainly because it wasn't that interesting to=
do
and I also got sick half to death of soldering charms onto bracelets and
mending 9ct gold chains people had somehow managed to break.

Now I'm building a workshop in my spare room.

I normally use a propane/oxy torch and several options are open to me

1. Put the tanks under the bench as normal

I'm told this isn't recommended in the house

2. Put the propane and oxygen tanks outside in a small shelter and knock=
a
small hole in the wall and run the hoses through

I'm told this isn't a good idea either as you can't get to the taps on =
the
top of the tanks quickly.

3. Convert to natural 'mains' gas.

Not too sure how to do that, do you need things like a flash arrester =
and
regulators?

So, advice please...

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William Black

I've seen things you people wouldn't believe.
Barbeques on fire by the chalets past the castle headland
I watched the gift shops glitter in the darkness off the Newborough gate
All these moments will be lost in time, like icecream on the beach
Time for tea.

William Black wrote:

Well, I've closed my shop, mainly because it wasn't that interesting =
to do
and I also got sick half to death of soldering charms onto bracelets =
and
mending 9ct gold chains people had somehow managed to break.
=20
Now I'm building a workshop in my spare room.
=20
I normally use a propane/oxy torch and several options are open to me
=20
1. Put the tanks under the bench as normal
=20
I'm told this isn't recommended in the house
=20
2. Put the propane and oxygen tanks outside in a small shelter and =
knock a
small hole in the wall and run the hoses through
=20
I'm told this isn't a good idea either as you can't get to the taps on =
the
top of the tanks quickly.
=20
3. Convert to natural 'mains' gas.
=20
Not too sure how to do that, do you need things like a flash arrester =
and
regulators?
=20
So, advice please...
=20
water torch?

disposable propane canisters and an oxygen concentrator?

I dunno

Carl


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Sorry for intruding, I usually only lurk here ...

William Black wrote:

2. Put the propane and oxygen tanks outside in a small shelter and =
knock a
small hole in the wall and run the hoses through

I'm told this isn't a good idea either as you can't get to the taps on =
the
top of the tanks quickly.

We have a variation of this for our stove (without the oxy).

We don't have natural gas in pipes here, in earthquake country it
isn't really a good idea to have long gas lines. A copper pipe
connects the tank to the stove, running partly through concrete.
I guess from your email address that you're in the UK, so I don't
know whether that's legal there, but I'd ask a plumber whether
that's a possibility. - It's much safer than running hoses outside.

Aloha,

Maren, in Hilo, on the Big Island of Hawaii.
Tropical seeds - Job's Tears Jewelry - Plants & Lilikoi
http://www.jach.hawaii.edu/~maren/palms_etc/

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...
Sorry for intruding, I usually only lurk here ...

William Black wrote:

2. Put the propane and oxygen tanks outside in a small shelter and =
knock
a
small hole in the wall and run the hoses through

I'm told this isn't a good idea either as you can't get to the taps on =
the
top of the tanks quickly.

We have a variation of this for our stove (without the oxy).

We don't have natural gas in pipes here, in earthquake country it
isn't really a good idea to have long gas lines. A copper pipe
connects the tank to the stove, running partly through concrete.
I guess from your email address that you're in the UK, so I don't
know whether that's legal there, but I'd ask a plumber whether
that's a possibility. - It's much safer than running hoses outside.

Aloha,

Maren, in Hilo, on the Big Island of Hawaii.
Tropical seeds - Job's Tears Jewelry - Plants & Lilikoi
http://www.jach.hawaii.edu/~maren/palms_etc/

William Black wrote:
Well, I've closed my shop, mainly because it wasn't that interesting =
to do
and I also got sick half to death of soldering charms onto bracelets =
and
mending 9ct gold chains people had somehow managed to break.
=20
Now I'm building a workshop in my spare room.
=20
I normally use a propane/oxy torch and several options are open to me
=20
1. Put the tanks under the bench as normal
=20
I'm told this isn't recommended in the house
=20
2. Put the propane and oxygen tanks outside in a small shelter and =
knock a
small hole in the wall and run the hoses through
=20
I'm told this isn't a good idea either as you can't get to the taps on =
the
top of the tanks quickly.
=20
3. Convert to natural 'mains' gas.
=20
Not too sure how to do that, do you need things like a flash arrester =
and
regulators?
=20
So, advice please...
Hi Bill,
Sorry to hear youve closed your shop, Once youe got your spare room=20
work shop up and running, what are you going to do in it?
hopefully design and make you own products. then RETAIL them at craft=20
fairs. IF youve good designs it does work As ive made a good living=20
doing just that.
To return to your gas supply problem. I dont think it is one.
Whats the difference between having it under the bench in your shop=20
to having it in your home? The risk to you is the same however you=20
quantify it. also the risk to your customers doesnt exist at home.
If you had house hold gas appliances the gas would always be there at=20
the tap. live. Whereas when your not using your oxy propane there always=20
turned off.
OK one is a low water gauge and the other is under considerable =
pressure.
Its just scaremungering by timid or indept folk who havent mastered=20
the safe handling of these gases.
If I were you id put them under your bench , keep it to yourself, and=20
get on making the things you want.
there is a greater hazard from the flux fumes and polishing dust tha=20
from any small gas bottle you might have. Take the case of someone with=20
breathing difficulties. they will have BOC oxygen bottles in the home as=20
well as in youtr doctors surgery and in all ambulamces.
No, youve nothing to worry about.
Ted Frater. Dorset UK.

Ted Frater wrote:

William Black wrote:
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Well, I've closed my shop, mainly because it wasn't that interesting =
to do
and I also got sick half to death of soldering charms onto bracelets =
and
mending 9ct gold chains people had somehow managed to break.

Now I'm building a workshop in my spare room.

I normally use a propane/oxy torch and several options are open to me

1. Put the tanks under the bench as normal

I'm told this isn't recommended in the house

2. Put the propane and oxygen tanks outside in a small shelter and =
knock a
small hole in the wall and run the hoses through

I'm told this isn't a good idea either as you can't get to the taps on =
the
top of the tanks quickly.

3. Convert to natural 'mains' gas.

Not too sure how to do that, do you need things like a flash arrester =
and
regulators?

So, advice please...
Hi Bill,
=20
Sorry to hear youve closed your shop, Once youe got your spare room=20
work shop up and running, what are you going to do in it?
hopefully design and make you own products. then RETAIL them at =
craft=20
fairs. IF youve good designs it does work As ive made a good living=20
doing just that.
To return to your gas supply problem. I dont think it is one.
Whats the difference between having it under the bench in your shop=20
to having it in your home? The risk to you is the same however you=20
quantify it. also the risk to your customers doesnt exist at home.
If you had house hold gas appliances the gas would always be there at=
=20
the tap. live. Whereas when your not using your oxy propane there =
always=20
turned off.
OK one is a low water gauge and the other is under considerable =
pressure.
Its just scaremungering by timid or indept folk who havent mastered=20
the safe handling of these gases.
If I were you id put them under your bench , keep it to yourself, and=20
get on making the things you want.
there is a greater hazard from the flux fumes and polishing dust tha=20
from any small gas bottle you might have. Take the case of someone with=
=20
breathing difficulties. they will have BOC oxygen bottles in the home =
as=20
well as in youtr doctors surgery and in all ambulamces.
No, youve nothing to worry about.
Ted Frater. Dorset UK.
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I agree generally, but would point out 2 issues. The disposable type=20
canisters can be defended if need be as non-commercial/hobbyist use and=20
not likely to be challenged by an insurance company should the need=20
arise. Also, if one of that size were to leak, it MAY dissipate enough,=20
even in a basement, to not become an explosive hazard. Either way you=20
proceed, an explosive gas detector placed ina low spot in your house=20
would be cheap insurance.

http://tinyurl.com/asren


Carl


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"Ted Frater" wrote in message
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Sorry to hear youve closed your shop, Once youe got your spare room
work shop up and running, what are you going to do in it?

I've always fancied a go at enamalleling, so I bought a kiln and some =
bits
and pieces and I'm going to have a go at that.

I'll also make some jewellery, I did the diamond setting course at UCE =
last
year and found it fascinating, and I'm hoping to have enough time to
develop my own style more.

hopefully design and make you own products. then RETAIL them at craft
fairs. IF youve good designs it does work As ive made a good living
doing just that.

Not sure about outlets yet. I've thought about craft fairs and various
other outlets. I'll have to see when I get up and running and have =
enough
stock to go selling.

To return to your gas supply problem. I dont think it is one.
Whats the difference between having it under the bench in your shop

to having it in your home?

I don't sleep in the shop :-)

--=20
William Black

I've seen things you people wouldn't believe.
Barbeques on fire by the chalets past the castle headland
I watched the gift shops glitter in the darkness off the Newborough gate
All these moments will be lost in time, like icecream on the beach
Time for tea.

William Black wrote:
"Ted Frater" wrote in message
...
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=20
Sorry to hear youve closed your shop, Once youe got your spare room
work shop up and running, what are you going to do in it?
=20
=20
I've always fancied a go at enamalleling, so I bought a kiln and some =
bits
and pieces and I'm going to have a go at that.
=20
I'll also make some jewellery, I did the diamond setting course at UCE=
last
year and found it fascinating, and I'm hoping to have enough time to
develop my own style more.
=20
=20
hopefully design and make you own products. then RETAIL them at craft
fairs. IF youve good designs it does work As ive made a good living
doing just that.
=20
=20
Not sure about outlets yet. I've thought about craft fairs and various
other outlets. I'll have to see when I get up and running and have =
enough
stock to go selling.
=20
=20
To return to your gas supply problem. I dont think it is one.
Whats the difference between having it under the bench in your shop

=20
to having it in your home?
=20
I don't sleep in the shop :-)
=20
Good to hear of your plans.
Ive lots of gas cylinders around here,
living and working from the same place.
Currently Propane @ 47kg outside the kitchen wall,
live all the time feeding the cooker and fridge
2 1000kg bulk tanks just aquired, current bulk price 19p a ltr.
Hi press oxy and propane and acetylene
inside and outside the workshops,
These latter are ALWAYS turned off when not in use.
The other pressurised containers are say deodorant cans and spray=20
paints. all propane pressurised.
The key is to always turn OFF your workshop cyls when your not using=20
them.
As to enamelling, thats a skill on its own. Im also thinking of going=20
back to my enamelling, which I did for 7 years starting in 1968.
Combining it with the minting tools ive here, one chould be able to make=20
some lovely items.
the problem will be to get the clientele for the work. Id say not=20
economic unless your in London. In the provinces they wont pay what it=20
costs to make. thats the reason I movedfaway from enamelling into normal=20
(metalworking that is) jewellery. Despite selling in London.
I used mainly copper, with translucent enamels on pendants and=20
brooches. single sided enamelling using a propane torch 1in dia heating=20
from the underside. Workred very well. Not a suitable technique for=20
your spare room. Would heat the house tho.
Also used a propane enamelling muffle for larger work. Had to make that=20
as I only had 2kw of power at that time off a generator.
Still have all my enamels from ~Schauer & Co. Vienna. Where I visited=20
them a couple of times.
I dont think you can get them any more but their high leaded enamels=20
gave superb results and lovely clear transparent colours. Especially on=20
fine gold and 999 silver.
thats another story.
Keep us posted how you get on.
Ted Frater Dorset UK.

"Ted Frater" wrote in message
...

. Id say not
economic unless your in London. In the provinces they wont pay what it
costs to make. thats the reason I movedfaway from enamelling into normal
(metalworking that is) jewellery.

Well I'm in N orth Yorkshire, but I will almost certainly try selling in
London


..
Still have all my enamels from ~Schauer & Co. Vienna. Where I visited
them a couple of times.
I dont think you can get them any more but their high leaded enamels
gave superb results and lovely clear transparent colours. Especially on
fine gold and 999 silver.

You can still get them in the UK, there's few places that still do them,
but they're not cheap.

--=20
William Black

I've seen things you people wouldn't believe.
Barbeques on fire by the chalets past the castle headland
I watched the gift shops glitter in the darkness off the Newborough gate
All these moments will be lost in time, like icecream on the beach
Time for tea.