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"It's a Micheal!" Ring
I have a ring that was in my father's very unusual jewelry collection.
It has a large center oval diamond about .75 carat (probably faux) and 8 very small diamonds around it. The ring is very large with engraving on the sides. On the inside it says, "It's a Micheal!", 20k and there is a serial number. Has anyone heard of this "brand" or have any idea where this ring is from? I have seen nothing on the internet or ebay. THANKS in advance for any ideas. jcsjcs |
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Peter (and everyone else) -
I have posted pictures of the ring he http://home.nyc.rr.com/citrus/michael1.jpg http://home.nyc.rr.com/citrus/michael2.jpg http://home.nyc.rr.com/citrus/michael3.jpg In answer to your questions: As you can see in the 3rd pic, "Its a Michael" seems to be machine stamped - as is a serial number below (not pictured). I now actually think it is a diamond (per a jewelry store in my neighborhood - they used what seemed like a barbaric tool to try to scratch my ring before I could protest.) Fortunately on this ring they were unsuccessful and believe it to be a diamond! Any other info is much appreciated! THANKS again - jcsjcs On Mon, 29 Sep 2003 04:39:00 GMT, Peter W. Rowe wrote: On Sun, 28 Sep 2003 21:34:02 -0700, in rec.crafts.jewelry (jcs) wrote: Has anyone heard of this "brand" or have any idea where this ring is from? I have seen nothing on the internet or ebay. The spelling of the name Micheal is odd, and 20K is not common. But you're description doesn't really tell us all that much. If you could get photos of it, including the markings as well as the outer designs, and post them to the web, and include the web URL in a followup newsgroup post, I'll bet we could tell you more. (remember that just attaching the photos to a newsgroup post doesn't work in this moderated group) One other question... Where it says "Its a Micheal), is that engraved or otherwise individually marked on the ring (hand or machine engraving, etc), or is it a stamped in mark? And why do you think the center stone is not a real diamond? Peter |
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jcs wrote:
Peter (and everyone else) - I have posted pictures of the ring he http://home.nyc.rr.com/citrus/michael1.jpg http://home.nyc.rr.com/citrus/michael2.jpg http://home.nyc.rr.com/citrus/michael3.jpg In answer to your questions: As you can see in the 3rd pic, "Its a Michael" seems to be machine stamped - as is a serial number below (not pictured). I now actually think it is a diamond (per a jewelry store in my neighborhood - they used what seemed like a barbaric tool to try to scratch my ring before I could protest.) Fortunately on this ring they were unsuccessful and believe it to be a diamond! There's a lot of handwork with a graver, but that 'diamond' has really soft facet edges and an odd 'cut' that looks like cast glass to me. It could be the photo out of focus, I suppose, but the scratched gold near it looks sharp. |
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"Peter W. Rowe" schreef in bericht Someone trying to scratch test your diamond? That's not normally considered an acceptable test to use, since if the stone happens to be a softer stone, either a cheap imitation, or some other natural stone that's soft enough to scratch, the jeweler has still infllicted damage on the customers stone, even if it's not diamond, or not real anything. There are better ways to tell. Peter This is incredible; in the year 2003 a "jewellery store" is using a scratch test to see if a stone is perhaps a diamond! Anyway, a negative test will not automatically suggest that the stone is really a diamond. In the old, old days before gemmological instruments were available to jewellers they using a very hard steel file to distinguish between paste (i.e. glass) and diamond. Did the file scratch the stone, then of course it was not a diamond (and in the process possibly a nice looking jewel was damaged). But...., a steel file will also not scratch colorless diamond-simulants like zircon, topaz or sapphire, all stones with a Mohs-hardness greater than de approx. 7.5 of the steel file. So a scratch test that is negative only says that the stone in question has a hardness7.5, and that can be quit a number of minerals. Any decent jewellery store has a thermal tester that (non-destructively) positively tests for diamond. (of course, nowadays we have synthetic moissanite that also tests positive (so as a diamond) on a thermal tester, but with a 10x loupe doubling of the facet-edges for this double-refractive stone can be seen by a competent jeweller) So I advice you to never to go to that "jewellery shop" again. Greetings, Jaap |
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n answer to your questions:
As you can see in the 3rd pic, "Its a Michael" seems to be machine stamped - as is a serial number below (not pictured). I now actually think it is a diamond (per a jewelry store in my neighborhood - they used what seemed like a barbaric tool to try to scratch my ring before I could protest.) Fortunately on this ring they were unsuccessful and believe it to be a diamond! Any other info is much appreciated! I'm not sure how much good this information will do you but here are some observations that make me think it's real. First off, the color appears to be consistant with a higher karat of gold. There was also a pretty fair amount of time taken to do the decorative hand engraving on the sides, and in setting the stones (notice the ring is drilled through the back for the stones). This would lead me to believe it might be a custom piece rather than something ready made fron a catalog. They tend to come pre-drilled. I also wouldn't think someone would take the time to set junk stones "properly". That tends to be pretty down and dirty. On the other hand the stones are not reall well cut. I can't tell from the angle if they are rose cut or it's just a bad photo angle across the table and the center stone is mine cut. The little mele look to only have a few facets which isn't out of character for some old diamonds. How was that for a real long explaination that amounted to "I can't tell from a picture". |
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Ok, Here is a different take on your ring...I don't think that it says "It's
a Michael!" What it says is: "It's a Michae!!" The last 2 characters are exclamation points. That's a Yiddish term meaning something like "it feels so good" For example, if you've been outside shoveling snow for a while and are cold and miserable...you come in and stand in front of the fire...it feels so good..."its a Michea". The problem is that it is an English transliteration of a Yiddish term, thus the spelling difficulty. How about it, any chance it could be a Yiddish connection? Barry "jcs" wrote in message news I have a ring that was in my father's very unusual jewelry collection. It has a large center oval diamond about .75 carat (probably faux) and 8 very small diamonds around it. The ring is very large with engraving on the sides. On the inside it says, "It's a Micheal!", 20k and there is a serial number. Has anyone heard of this "brand" or have any idea where this ring is from? I have seen nothing on the internet or ebay. THANKS in advance for any ideas. jcsjcs |
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Barry - VERY interesting take on the words. This is a definite
possiblity considering my father's background. I will also see what I can dig up on this idea. THANKS - Jonathan On Wed, 01 Oct 2003 04:08:19 GMT, "Barry" wrote: Ok, Here is a different take on your ring...I don't think that it says "It's a Michael!" What it says is: "It's a Michae!!" The last 2 characters are exclamation points. That's a Yiddish term meaning something like "it feels so good" For example, if you've been outside shoveling snow for a while and are cold and miserable...you come in and stand in front of the fire...it feels so good..."its a Michea". The problem is that it is an English transliteration of a Yiddish term, thus the spelling difficulty. How about it, any chance it could be a Yiddish connection? Barry "jcs" wrote in message news I have a ring that was in my father's very unusual jewelry collection. It has a large center oval diamond about .75 carat (probably faux) and 8 very small diamonds around it. The ring is very large with engraving on the sides. On the inside it says, "It's a Micheal!", 20k and there is a serial number. Has anyone heard of this "brand" or have any idea where this ring is from? I have seen nothing on the internet or ebay. THANKS in advance for any ideas. jcsjcs |
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