Double Dragon Loop?

Paul Kruse just submitted this loop in hopes that someone might be
able to identify it and make comments on it. He refers to it as a
Double Dragon loop, but isn't certain that it doesn't already have a
name. It might help simplify things to consider the loop with only
one coil.

http://www.geocities.com/roo_two/doubledragon.html

I don't have a lot of time right now to investigate its uniqueness,
but I know this group would love to look at it.

Cheers,
roo

(roo) wrote in message om...
Paul Kruse just submitted this loop
...
but I know this group would love to look at it.


hi roo, paul,

what a beauty

it reminds me ...

it is called a perfection loop

http://www.cabelas.com/information/c...tion-Loop.html

a classic fishing line loop
all sorts of credits does it get
even: "will stay intact in bungee chock cord"

knot sure,

ben

Ben wrote:

It is called a perfection loop

http://www.cabelas.com/information/c...tion-Loop.html


Ben, nice site!

I thought it was the Perfection Loop as well. Unless I have made a
mistake (quite possible) in tying the Double Dragon from:
http://www.geocities.com/roo_two/doubledragon.html , it isn't. I have
not found a name for the knot.

I thought the following was interesting when I played around with the
Perfection Loop and the Double Dragon.

If I withdraw (untuck once) the working end from the Perfection Loop,
I end up with a Slip Knot. Reinserting the working end, locks the
working end and gives me the Perfection Loop.

If I withdraw (untuck once) the working end from the Double Dragon, I
end up with the Harness Loop (Artilleryman's Loop), ABOK #1050. Note
that the loop is crossed as it is in one of the graphics shown at ABOK
# 1050. Reinserting the working end, locks the working end and give me
the Double Dragon.

Neat huh? - Brian.

Ps. I am still looking for a name! -BG

Aside from Brian's comments alluding to how the Perfection Loop is
based on an overhand knot and how Paul's Loop is not, you can also
tell the difference based on their properties when strained hard.
Unlike the Perfection Loop (with or without a double coil final pass),
the Double Dragon seems to resist jamming.

It's a good imposter by outward appearances.

(roo) wrote:

Paul Kruse just submitted this loop ... .
He refers to it as a Double Dragon loop, but ... .

http://www.geocities.com/roo_two/doubledragon.html

This is a nice loopknot, which has been occupying some of my fiddling
for the recent couple months. It's an extended (well, "doubled")
version of what Brion Toss's _Rigger's Apprentice_ names the "Tugboat
or Flying Bowline"--part of the myth being that it is tied by tug
operators et al. on the run (I'm very skeptical!). Well, it is
shown by illustration, though the accompanying words don't exactly
match, and the ambiguity at least is with the similarlyl formed
Angler's Loop / Perfection Knot. I don't think that it deserves
the "bowline" moniker, at least not by form, as it lacks what I
consider to be the essence of a *bowline*--the loop/gooseneck
made by the SPart, which nips the other parts together.

This Dbl.Dragon is TIB (Tyable Inthe Bight ), looks strong,
and is pretty readily UNtyable (writing like a Knot Tyer, here).
There are some similar near variants one can discover by arranging
the parts a bit differently.

Thanks for the presentation, Paul!

(-;

(Dan Lehman) wrote in message
or Flying Bowline"--part of the myth being that it is tied by tug
operators et al. on the run (I'm very skeptical!).

I'd be very interested in seeing a picture of teh Flying Bowline. It
sounds like what we call the Fast Bowline, from which the DD was
derived. (Added one twist.)

The Fast Bowline can be tied with a few quick flips and twists of the
wrists in about two seconds. I can very easily believe the myth. Our
riggers use it the same way.

Paul