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"CheshireCat" wrote in message ... Well if you go into a legitimate supplier and ask them to make up the punches I imagine they'd send you away. So first of all you need a set of punches made by a currupt maker, and they'd cost plenty. The penalty for cheating is ten years in prison. I was horrified to see a seller offering a 14K punch on UK ebay a few weeks ago. No problem in the UK, a 14K stamp is NOT a hallmark. Hallmarks refer to fineness in parts per thousand. -- William Black I've seen things you people wouldn't believe Barbeques on fire by chalets past the headland I've watched the gift shops glitter in the darkness off Newborough All this will pass like ice-cream on the beach Time for tea |
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CheshireCat wrote:
Well if you go into a legitimate supplier and ask them to make up the punches I imagine they'd send you away. So first of all you need a set of punches made by a currupt maker, and they'd cost plenty. The penalty for cheating is ten years in prison. I was horrified to see a seller offering a 14K punch on UK ebay a few weeks ago. I suppose seeing the advert there was good for warning people to the dangers A quick google on "14k punch" revealed some sites selling punches to whoever wants one. What rules are there in USA regarding marking gold? Lets get a few things right. Its illegal in the UK to have stamps made that replicate all the official hall marking stamps. Any reputable stamp maker will not do it. however this isnt a perfect world and there are crooked stamp makers like there are other crooked makers of everything under the sun thats normally expensive and some one wants for a cheap price. your Korean made Rolex watch is just one example. however its not illegal to have any stamp you like made and for you to use as per the the example quoted ie 14k, so long as it also has the official assay mrks on it as well. also your own registetred mark, which is a prerequisite before the assay office will test your piece and mark it as the carat you declared on the paperwork accompanying it. So theres no need to be horrified when you saw the advert for this marking punch. Abrasha has mentioned that these marking dies are made nowadays by EDM, tho most stamp makers here in the UK use the 3d die sinking method as it is a lot quicker with letters unless you want something in relief. Then you need a model usually 3in or so in diameter, from which a negative in resin is taken then this is used as the master from which the stamp is made. A good reducing die sinking machine like the German Deckel will reduce this up to 50 to 1. If you wnat smaller then you do the reduction in 2 steps. hope this is of further help. Ted Frater. |
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On Sat, 07 May 2005 00:57:44 GMT, Alan Balmer
wrote: Until now, no one has challenged the basic premise. So, let's hear it from you UK artists. Is it illegal to describe your material as gold without it being hallmarked, or not? Yes, absolutely, if it is over the minimum weight limit of 1 g, 7.9g for silver and 0.5g for plat. As a metalsmith and lapidary working in the UK I have to say I like being part of a system over 300 years old and the trust my customers can have that a hallmarked piece is gauranteed to be of the right quality. I feel hallmarking is a consumer protection service and would not like to see our system changed to one of maker marking although would obviously work in whatever system pertained. Mind you a lot of the public seem to think that the 925 stamped on all the (probably) imported silver I see is a hallmark which it patently is not. No system is perfect - I recently altered a presumably 9ct gold bangle for a customer, weight 12g or so that bore no marks at all, it had been bought from a major high street catalogue trader earlier this year and was in a box labelled 9ct gold. She didn't take me up on my suggestion to take it back and tell them where to stick it because she liked it which probably should be the main point when buying jewellery, shouldn't it? Andy Parker, Agate House Lapidary Ulverston, Cumbria, England www.agatehouse.co.uk Tel: 01229 584023 |
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