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No Polly, not doomful, knowledgable by passing on facts. Yes, this is one
that may take some time and will need to be protected, not used. Steven Alaska "Polly Esther" wrote in message ... Since I sounded so doomful, maybe I need to explain. Mr. Esther's grandmother gently saved baby garments from my goodness, so long ago. The brown spots disappeared when I carefully washed them. Disappeared into nothingness. Gone. The places were eaten away I'm thinking probably from the acid in the boxes she used. Since then I've read a bit from quilt collectors and museums about the 'unknown' potential of only God knows what damage fusibles can eventually cause. The quilts I make have no probable longevity. I hope. I want them to be chewed on and leaked on and used to dry the muddy paws of Bruno. An embroidery of Over the River is a different matter. I just wanted it to have a lifespan of more than 2 years. Might take you that long to get it created. Thank you for asking for advice and the rest of you all for being so kind when I came off as such naysayer. Polly |
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Roberta! You're wonderful! No, I've never been taught that method. I've
often use three strands, don't ask, and often two. I will have to check again what the pattern says and maybe it says four. This is perfect. I usually leave a long tail and go back later and weave it in. This will be so much easier. Thank you, Thank you, Thank you. See, we learn something from this group everyday. Steven Alaska "Roberta" Roberta@Home wrote in message news Steven, I do love your attitude to embroidery! You probably don't need me to remind you, but if you use 2 strands, it's easy to cut a single strand twice as long. Fold in half, thread the cut ends through the needle. Then slip the thread through the loop at the end as you make your first stitch- no knot. Roberta in D On Sat, 17 Sep 2011 12:49:49 -0800, "Steven Cook" wrote: Always can count on you Polly for a direct and definite answer. No beating around the bush with you which is just fine. No, it's not too far from Alaska to the swamp, after all you know who can see Russia from her house, (bad me), but I wouldn't be coming to shoot you. Just bringing chocolate. After reading the previous postings and warnings, and your experience, I'm leaning against using anything now, and having forgotten about the love Kona fabrics, I can probably just go with one layer by using that. That would be so much easier. Maybe just a little starch, but maybe not. And I don't "travel" when I embroider. Grandma, when I was in grade school, and Mom later on, both taught me to stop and start and weave the ends in. A lot more work but it looks so much better. My underside will never be as good as the top, but it's better than other methods. If you want to see absolutely gorgeous embroidery, you should look at my sisters. She must have more than a dozen stitches to the inch. Incredible, even, smooth. Really something. Steven Alaska "Polly Esther" wrote in message ... I vote " No ". How's that for helpful and supportive? Assuming that this Over the River project is not going to be something a baby leaks spinach on and uses for a Bat Man cape. Steven, if the quilt can hope for a long and cherished life, I would not use anything that could potentially eventually do harm. Certainly not any chemicals that could do unspeakable damage in the long run. That would include fusing and stiffening stuff of any recipe. Well. Maybe heavy starch if you promised to launder quite thoroughly. I've seen magnificient christening gowns that had just a wee bit of fusible interfacing in the collars and yokes. In less than 10 years the @#$! stuff had discolored and simply ruined the treasures. What a tragedy. There's Kona and Kona Bay and just now I don't know which one - but one of them makes a terrific cotton that is grand for embroidery. And, perhaps, you might learn to do heaps of stopping and starting so there's nearly no 'traveling' of your floss from place to place. It is quite possible to embroider so that the underside is as good-looking as the front. I feel perfectly safe. It is much too far from Alaska to the Swamp for you to come shoot this messenger. Polly |
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That just goes to show that the things that we 'think' everyone knows may
not always be the case. I first heard of doubling one strand about 20 years ago, now I do it automatically and would never think to mention it on here because everyone on here 'knows everything' lol Dee in Oz "Steven Cook" wrote in message ... Roberta! You're wonderful! No, I've never been taught that method. I've often use three strands, don't ask, and often two. I will have to check again what the pattern says and maybe it says four. This is perfect. I usually leave a long tail and go back later and weave it in. This will be so much easier. Thank you, Thank you, Thank you. See, we learn something from this group everyday. Steven Alaska "Roberta" Roberta@Home wrote in message news Steven, I do love your attitude to embroidery! You probably don't need me to remind you, but if you use 2 strands, it's easy to cut a single strand twice as long. Fold in half, thread the cut ends through the needle. Then slip the thread through the loop at the end as you make your first stitch- no knot. Roberta in D On Sat, 17 Sep 2011 12:49:49 -0800, "Steven Cook" wrote: Always can count on you Polly for a direct and definite answer. No beating around the bush with you which is just fine. No, it's not too far from Alaska to the swamp, after all you know who can see Russia from her house, (bad me), but I wouldn't be coming to shoot you. Just bringing chocolate. After reading the previous postings and warnings, and your experience, I'm leaning against using anything now, and having forgotten about the love Kona fabrics, I can probably just go with one layer by using that. That would be so much easier. Maybe just a little starch, but maybe not. And I don't "travel" when I embroider. Grandma, when I was in grade school, and Mom later on, both taught me to stop and start and weave the ends in. A lot more work but it looks so much better. My underside will never be as good as the top, but it's better than other methods. If you want to see absolutely gorgeous embroidery, you should look at my sisters. She must have more than a dozen stitches to the inch. Incredible, even, smooth. Really something. Steven Alaska "Polly Esther" wrote in message ... I vote " No ". How's that for helpful and supportive? Assuming that this Over the River project is not going to be something a baby leaks spinach on and uses for a Bat Man cape. Steven, if the quilt can hope for a long and cherished life, I would not use anything that could potentially eventually do harm. Certainly not any chemicals that could do unspeakable damage in the long run. That would include fusing and stiffening stuff of any recipe. Well. Maybe heavy starch if you promised to launder quite thoroughly. I've seen magnificient christening gowns that had just a wee bit of fusible interfacing in the collars and yokes. In less than 10 years the @#$! stuff had discolored and simply ruined the treasures. What a tragedy. There's Kona and Kona Bay and just now I don't know which one - but one of them makes a terrific cotton that is grand for embroidery. And, perhaps, you might learn to do heaps of stopping and starting so there's nearly no 'traveling' of your floss from place to place. It is quite possible to embroider so that the underside is as good-looking as the front. I feel perfectly safe. It is much too far from Alaska to the Swamp for you to come shoot this messenger. Polly |
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I know, Dee, I know. I don't know when to toss in something we all know or
maybe there's just one who doesn't. I wanted to mention with Steven's project the needle size. It is important to choose a needle that is fat. (Can we say 'fat' ?) A skinny needle might make the stitching easier but a fat one will open up a hole to let the floss go through easier and stay smooth instead of getting frayed. We'll bring the issue up in group. Except, of course, we spent our $s on stash and can't afford to seek counselling. Woe is us. Polly "Dee in Oz" wrote in message . au... That just goes to show that the things that we 'think' everyone knows may not always be the case. I first heard of doubling one strand about 20 years ago, now I do it automatically and would never think to mention it on here because everyone on here 'knows everything' lol Dee in Oz "Steven Cook" wrote in message ... Roberta! You're wonderful! No, I've never been taught that method. I've often use three strands, don't ask, and often two. I will have to check again what the pattern says and maybe it says four. This is perfect. I usually leave a long tail and go back later and weave it in. This will be so much easier. Thank you, Thank you, Thank you. See, we learn something from this group everyday. Steven Alaska "Roberta" Roberta@Home wrote in message news Steven, I do love your attitude to embroidery! You probably don't need me to remind you, but if you use 2 strands, it's easy to cut a single strand twice as long. Fold in half, thread the cut ends through the needle. Then slip the thread through the loop at the end as you make your first stitch- no knot. Roberta in D On Sat, 17 Sep 2011 12:49:49 -0800, "Steven Cook" wrote: Always can count on you Polly for a direct and definite answer. No beating around the bush with you which is just fine. No, it's not too far from Alaska to the swamp, after all you know who can see Russia from her house, (bad me), but I wouldn't be coming to shoot you. Just bringing chocolate. After reading the previous postings and warnings, and your experience, I'm leaning against using anything now, and having forgotten about the love Kona fabrics, I can probably just go with one layer by using that. That would be so much easier. Maybe just a little starch, but maybe not. And I don't "travel" when I embroider. Grandma, when I was in grade school, and Mom later on, both taught me to stop and start and weave the ends in. A lot more work but it looks so much better. My underside will never be as good as the top, but it's better than other methods. If you want to see absolutely gorgeous embroidery, you should look at my sisters. She must have more than a dozen stitches to the inch. Incredible, even, smooth. Really something. Steven Alaska "Polly Esther" wrote in message ... I vote " No ". How's that for helpful and supportive? Assuming that this Over the River project is not going to be something a baby leaks spinach on and uses for a Bat Man cape. Steven, if the quilt can hope for a long and cherished life, I would not use anything that could potentially eventually do harm. Certainly not any chemicals that could do unspeakable damage in the long run. That would include fusing and stiffening stuff of any recipe. Well. Maybe heavy starch if you promised to launder quite thoroughly. I've seen magnificient christening gowns that had just a wee bit of fusible interfacing in the collars and yokes. In less than 10 years the @#$! stuff had discolored and simply ruined the treasures. What a tragedy. There's Kona and Kona Bay and just now I don't know which one - but one of them makes a terrific cotton that is grand for embroidery. And, perhaps, you might learn to do heaps of stopping and starting so there's nearly no 'traveling' of your floss from place to place. It is quite possible to embroider so that the underside is as good-looking as the front. I feel perfectly safe. It is much too far from Alaska to the Swamp for you to come shoot this messenger. Polly |
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Thats what I mean Polly. I like working with 'skinny' needles, but never
though of the wear on the thread. What you have just 'said' makes perfect sense. I may need to change my ways. Dee in Oz "Polly Esther" wrote in message ... I know, Dee, I know. I don't know when to toss in something we all know or maybe there's just one who doesn't. I wanted to mention with Steven's project the needle size. It is important to choose a needle that is fat. (Can we say 'fat' ?) A skinny needle might make the stitching easier but a fat one will open up a hole to let the floss go through easier and stay smooth instead of getting frayed. We'll bring the issue up in group. Except, of course, we spent our $s on stash and can't afford to seek counselling. Woe is us. Polly "Dee in Oz" wrote in message . au... That just goes to show that the things that we 'think' everyone knows may not always be the case. I first heard of doubling one strand about 20 years ago, now I do it automatically and would never think to mention it on here because everyone on here 'knows everything' lol Dee in Oz "Steven Cook" wrote in message ... Roberta! You're wonderful! No, I've never been taught that method. I've often use three strands, don't ask, and often two. I will have to check again what the pattern says and maybe it says four. This is perfect. I usually leave a long tail and go back later and weave it in. This will be so much easier. Thank you, Thank you, Thank you. See, we learn something from this group everyday. Steven Alaska "Roberta" Roberta@Home wrote in message news Steven, I do love your attitude to embroidery! You probably don't need me to remind you, but if you use 2 strands, it's easy to cut a single strand twice as long. Fold in half, thread the cut ends through the needle. Then slip the thread through the loop at the end as you make your first stitch- no knot. Roberta in D On Sat, 17 Sep 2011 12:49:49 -0800, "Steven Cook" wrote: Always can count on you Polly for a direct and definite answer. No beating around the bush with you which is just fine. No, it's not too far from Alaska to the swamp, after all you know who can see Russia from her house, (bad me), but I wouldn't be coming to shoot you. Just bringing chocolate. After reading the previous postings and warnings, and your experience, I'm leaning against using anything now, and having forgotten about the love Kona fabrics, I can probably just go with one layer by using that. That would be so much easier. Maybe just a little starch, but maybe not. And I don't "travel" when I embroider. Grandma, when I was in grade school, and Mom later on, both taught me to stop and start and weave the ends in. A lot more work but it looks so much better. My underside will never be as good as the top, but it's better than other methods. If you want to see absolutely gorgeous embroidery, you should look at my sisters. She must have more than a dozen stitches to the inch. Incredible, even, smooth. Really something. Steven Alaska "Polly Esther" wrote in message ... I vote " No ". How's that for helpful and supportive? Assuming that this Over the River project is not going to be something a baby leaks spinach on and uses for a Bat Man cape. Steven, if the quilt can hope for a long and cherished life, I would not use anything that could potentially eventually do harm. Certainly not any chemicals that could do unspeakable damage in the long run. That would include fusing and stiffening stuff of any recipe. Well. Maybe heavy starch if you promised to launder quite thoroughly. I've seen magnificient christening gowns that had just a wee bit of fusible interfacing in the collars and yokes. In less than 10 years the @#$! stuff had discolored and simply ruined the treasures. What a tragedy. There's Kona and Kona Bay and just now I don't know which one - but one of them makes a terrific cotton that is grand for embroidery. And, perhaps, you might learn to do heaps of stopping and starting so there's nearly no 'traveling' of your floss from place to place. It is quite possible to embroider so that the underside is as good-looking as the front. I feel perfectly safe. It is much too far from Alaska to the Swamp for you to come shoot this messenger. Polly |
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Having read all the posts in reply to Steven's requst, I have learnt quite a
lot from this one message. Thanks every one for your input. Old "cats' can learn new tricks. Di "Steven Cook" wrote in message ... As if I don't have enough projects going, I'm going to start another one. I have the pattern Over the River, which someone else here has completed, which is pieced blocks and embroidered panels. The panels are to be double layers of fine quality broadcloth or something of a solid color. I will be using a cream color, not quite white. All of the embroidery will be in green as I plan on making the blocks in darker greens. Now, these double layers are to both be sewed through so the floss doesn't show through, or at least show less. The pattern simply talks about "holding" the layers together while you sew. I'm planning on using a light weight wonder-under of some sort to more or less permanently bond them together. For my sanity this would be much better. What brand and weight would you recommend? I want something that will hold well and permanently, but still be easy to sew through. Give some body, but not too stiff. Let the comments begin. In the meantime I pulled the Hawaiian block off the shelf and am working on finishing hand quilting it. Steven Alaska |
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Yes, Polly, what to mention. So, I like skinny needles but fat holes
through the cloth because of the floss so I need to find the right balance. I suppose a good blocking with minor dampness would help close up the holes after the embroidery is all done. Any thoughts on that? Steven Alaska, who went on a fall color tour in the bright sun yesterday and saw snow on the mountains. "Polly Esther" wrote in message ... I know, Dee, I know. I don't know when to toss in something we all know or maybe there's just one who doesn't. I wanted to mention with Steven's project the needle size. It is important to choose a needle that is fat. (Can we say 'fat' ?) A skinny needle might make the stitching easier but a fat one will open up a hole to let the floss go through easier and stay smooth instead of getting frayed. We'll bring the issue up in group. Except, of course, we spent our $s on stash and can't afford to seek counselling. Woe is us. Polly "Dee in Oz" wrote in message . au... That just goes to show that the things that we 'think' everyone knows may not always be the case. I first heard of doubling one strand about 20 years ago, now I do it automatically and would never think to mention it on here because everyone on here 'knows everything' lol Dee in Oz "Steven Cook" wrote in message ... Roberta! You're wonderful! No, I've never been taught that method. I've often use three strands, don't ask, and often two. I will have to check again what the pattern says and maybe it says four. This is perfect. I usually leave a long tail and go back later and weave it in. This will be so much easier. Thank you, Thank you, Thank you. See, we learn something from this group everyday. Steven Alaska "Roberta" Roberta@Home wrote in message news Steven, I do love your attitude to embroidery! You probably don't need me to remind you, but if you use 2 strands, it's easy to cut a single strand twice as long. Fold in half, thread the cut ends through the needle. Then slip the thread through the loop at the end as you make your first stitch- no knot. Roberta in D On Sat, 17 Sep 2011 12:49:49 -0800, "Steven Cook" wrote: Always can count on you Polly for a direct and definite answer. No beating around the bush with you which is just fine. No, it's not too far from Alaska to the swamp, after all you know who can see Russia from her house, (bad me), but I wouldn't be coming to shoot you. Just bringing chocolate. After reading the previous postings and warnings, and your experience, I'm leaning against using anything now, and having forgotten about the love Kona fabrics, I can probably just go with one layer by using that. That would be so much easier. Maybe just a little starch, but maybe not. And I don't "travel" when I embroider. Grandma, when I was in grade school, and Mom later on, both taught me to stop and start and weave the ends in. A lot more work but it looks so much better. My underside will never be as good as the top, but it's better than other methods. If you want to see absolutely gorgeous embroidery, you should look at my sisters. She must have more than a dozen stitches to the inch. Incredible, even, smooth. Really something. Steven Alaska "Polly Esther" wrote in message ... I vote " No ". How's that for helpful and supportive? Assuming that this Over the River project is not going to be something a baby leaks spinach on and uses for a Bat Man cape. Steven, if the quilt can hope for a long and cherished life, I would not use anything that could potentially eventually do harm. Certainly not any chemicals that could do unspeakable damage in the long run. That would include fusing and stiffening stuff of any recipe. Well. Maybe heavy starch if you promised to launder quite thoroughly. I've seen magnificient christening gowns that had just a wee bit of fusible interfacing in the collars and yokes. In less than 10 years the @#$! stuff had discolored and simply ruined the treasures. What a tragedy. There's Kona and Kona Bay and just now I don't know which one - but one of them makes a terrific cotton that is grand for embroidery. And, perhaps, you might learn to do heaps of stopping and starting so there's nearly no 'traveling' of your floss from place to place. It is quite possible to embroider so that the underside is as good-looking as the front. I feel perfectly safe. It is much too far from Alaska to the Swamp for you to come shoot this messenger. Polly |
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I have stitched several of the panels for quilts from that same
company and was worried about using two layers. I chose a heavier cotton fabric for my background that did not allow the thread to shadow through as much as it would if stitching on muslin and did as little traveling as necessary. The finished quilts are wonderful. This week end I saw an Over the River quilt made using the fabric which looks like it has been quilted in half inch grid for the background of the embroidery. It was wonderful. The grid made it look like the panels were quilted and didn't interfere with the embroidery design. Wish I had thought of it. I used that fabric about 10 years ago for embroidery background and always liked the result. Sorry I can't give you the correct name of the fabric. I do remember that you need to pre-wash the fabric because it shrinks a lot but that gives it even more of a quilted look. I call these embroidered panels my no thinking project because they were all one color and the majority is all backstitch. They were very relaxing to stitch. Have fun. Susan On Fri, 16 Sep 2011 21:40:39 -0800, "Steven Cook" wrote: As if I don't have enough projects going, I'm going to start another one. I have the pattern Over the River, which someone else here has completed, which is pieced blocks and embroidered panels. The panels are to be double layers of fine quality broadcloth or something of a solid color. I will be using a cream color, not quite white. All of the embroidery will be in green as I plan on making the blocks in darker greens. Now, these double layers are to both be sewed through so the floss doesn't show through, or at least show less. The pattern simply talks about "holding" the layers together while you sew. I'm planning on using a light weight wonder-under of some sort to more or less permanently bond them together. For my sanity this would be much better. What brand and weight would you recommend? I want something that will hold well and permanently, but still be easy to sew through. Give some body, but not too stiff. Let the comments begin. In the meantime I pulled the Hawaiian block off the shelf and am working on finishing hand quilting it. Steven Alaska |
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Sure. When you are finished you put the embroidery Face Down on a heavy
towel and steam it. Don't even think about touching the embroidered surface with the iron. Well. I guess you could touch it but only the underside. Polly "Steven Cook" wrote in message mmunications... Yes, Polly, what to mention. So, I like skinny needles but fat holes through the cloth because of the floss so I need to find the right balance. I suppose a good blocking with minor dampness would help close up the holes after the embroidery is all done. Any thoughts on that? Steven Alaska, who went on a fall color tour in the bright sun yesterday and saw snow on the mountains. "Polly Esther" wrote in message ... I know, Dee, I know. I don't know when to toss in something we all know or maybe there's just one who doesn't. I wanted to mention with Steven's project the needle size. It is important to choose a needle that is fat. (Can we say 'fat' ?) A skinny needle might make the stitching easier but a fat one will open up a hole to let the floss go through easier and stay smooth instead of getting frayed. We'll bring the issue up in group. Except, of course, we spent our $s on stash and can't afford to seek counselling. Woe is us. Polly "Dee in Oz" wrote in message . au... That just goes to show that the things that we 'think' everyone knows may not always be the case. I first heard of doubling one strand about 20 years ago, now I do it automatically and would never think to mention it on here because everyone on here 'knows everything' lol Dee in Oz "Steven Cook" wrote in message ... Roberta! You're wonderful! No, I've never been taught that method. I've often use three strands, don't ask, and often two. I will have to check again what the pattern says and maybe it says four. This is perfect. I usually leave a long tail and go back later and weave it in. This will be so much easier. Thank you, Thank you, Thank you. See, we learn something from this group everyday. Steven Alaska "Roberta" Roberta@Home wrote in message news Steven, I do love your attitude to embroidery! You probably don't need me to remind you, but if you use 2 strands, it's easy to cut a single strand twice as long. Fold in half, thread the cut ends through the needle. Then slip the thread through the loop at the end as you make your first stitch- no knot. Roberta in D On Sat, 17 Sep 2011 12:49:49 -0800, "Steven Cook" wrote: Always can count on you Polly for a direct and definite answer. No beating around the bush with you which is just fine. No, it's not too far from Alaska to the swamp, after all you know who can see Russia from her house, (bad me), but I wouldn't be coming to shoot you. Just bringing chocolate. After reading the previous postings and warnings, and your experience, I'm leaning against using anything now, and having forgotten about the love Kona fabrics, I can probably just go with one layer by using that. That would be so much easier. Maybe just a little starch, but maybe not. And I don't "travel" when I embroider. Grandma, when I was in grade school, and Mom later on, both taught me to stop and start and weave the ends in. A lot more work but it looks so much better. My underside will never be as good as the top, but it's better than other methods. If you want to see absolutely gorgeous embroidery, you should look at my sisters. She must have more than a dozen stitches to the inch. Incredible, even, smooth. Really something. Steven Alaska "Polly Esther" wrote in message ... I vote " No ". How's that for helpful and supportive? Assuming that this Over the River project is not going to be something a baby leaks spinach on and uses for a Bat Man cape. Steven, if the quilt can hope for a long and cherished life, I would not use anything that could potentially eventually do harm. Certainly not any chemicals that could do unspeakable damage in the long run. That would include fusing and stiffening stuff of any recipe. Well. Maybe heavy starch if you promised to launder quite thoroughly. I've seen magnificient christening gowns that had just a wee bit of fusible interfacing in the collars and yokes. In less than 10 years the @#$! stuff had discolored and simply ruined the treasures. What a tragedy. There's Kona and Kona Bay and just now I don't know which one - but one of them makes a terrific cotton that is grand for embroidery. And, perhaps, you might learn to do heaps of stopping and starting so there's nearly no 'traveling' of your floss from place to place. It is quite possible to embroider so that the underside is as good-looking as the front. I feel perfectly safe. It is much too far from Alaska to the Swamp for you to come shoot this messenger. Polly |
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In embroidery circles, this is called a loop start. You fold a long
length of floss in half, thread the loose ends through the needle leaving a loop at the other end. Take your first stitch, making sure you do not pull the loop end through the fabric. Bring the threaded needle through to the back of your fabric, pass it through the loop and snug down. Once I am "in the embroidery zone" and to save time, when reaching the end of the length of floss, I will bring the thread to the top of my fabric -- in an area that has already been embroidered -- and leave it on top. Then, when I have 5 or 6 loose thread ends on the top of my work, I will turn the piece over, pull all those loose thread ends to the back and finish them off by weaving them in or making a knot, etc. You'd be surprised at the time you can save! CiaoMeow ^;;^ PAX, Tia Mary /\__/\ On 9/18/2011 1:19 PM, Steven Cook wrote: Roberta! You're wonderful! No, I've never been taught that method. I've often use three strands, don't ask, and often two. I will have to check again what the pattern says and maybe it says four. This is perfect. I usually leave a long tail and go back later and weave it in. This will be so much easier. Thank you, Thank you, Thank you. See, we learn something from this group everyday. Steven Alaska |
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