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Fri evening update [was OT [very] My Hometown is on Fire]
wow, as you're here typing i guess you made it thru that
night intact with no damage to the house. that is good news. {{{{{Pam}}}}}} the 'sovereign nation' thing on some issues that are a safety issue, to me seems just plain stupid. now had it been a 'security issue' i'll just betcha there'd be more than the police showing up in record time, sovereign nation be damned. very strange indeed they will sell the fireworks but also dont want them set off on their land. so if there is nowhere legal to set them off, why does anyone sell them? i'll assume the stuff is all imported? how can they come thru US state territory legally? or do they have their own airport and fly them into their own sovereign nation? its all baffling to me, in the extreme. j. "Dragonfly" wrote... Here (New Mexico) there are all sorts of restrictions on what is legal to buy/sell in the in-town fireworks stands, and restrictions on what can be shot off, due to fire danger. (Nothing louder than a cap pistol, nothing going higher than ten feet, must be used on pavement.) All is well-regulated in the stores and the fireworks stands. However, we are surrounded by Indian pueblos (considered sovereign nations not governed by those restrictions) and they sell all sorts of things. [Interestingly enough, they also have signs in their parking lots saying to not shoot off fireworks in the parking lot, nor elsewhere on Indian land.] We saw illegal fireworks shows going off all around us on the 4th, as well as the magnificent one put on (legally) by the city, which we can see from our backyard. [BTW, all those neighbors with illegal fireworks could have seen the City's show, as well, if they had bothered.] Everything shot off by our neighbors was quite a bit louder than a cap pistol, and went over ten feet in the air. Some were shooting off rockets going 100 feet or more in the air. And, to avoid the police getting there in time for their $100-$1000 fines, most were shooting off lots of stuff all at once, so that each individual's "fireworks show" was over in a few minutes. Very dangerous to shoot everything off at once like that, in an area with homes, surrounded by dry vegetation. Makes you want to wish that those things land on *their* roof, not ours! Stupid, stupid people. (And I don't normally use that word to describe anyone.) Dragonfly (Pam) "nzlstar*" wrote in message ... snipped seems to me its asking for more trouble when no one in authority has the good sense to cancel all fireworks displays and/or sale in areas where there is a high fire risk. is the 4th of July really all that important that it is worth the risk of setting more fires in those areas? flabberghasted and gobsmacked, j. |
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OT [very] My Hometown is on Fire
On Fri, 4 Jul 2008 07:49:33 -0700 (PDT), Ginger in CA
wrote: On this day of celebration please hug your loved ones, and be careful with fireworks and celebrations. Ginger in CA Hope you're ok. We don't buy fireworks anymore. There has been drought in this area for the last 10 years. Debra in VA See my quilts at: http://community.webshots.com/user/debplayshere http://www.flickr.com/photos/designsbydeb/ |
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Fri evening update [was OT [very] My Hometown is on Fire]
Actually the "Hometown is on Fire" part was from someone's post from
California. We're not on fire in my part of NM....but some other parts of it are on fire. Nothing close enough that we have any smoke here, but close enough they get some coverage on the evening news. One area has had three major fires (people evacuated, structures destroyed) in the past two months. That's why fireworks (except the small stuff) were banned this year. Imported fireworks, yes. I think they all are. I don't know how the pueblos have been able to buy them to resell. Interesting question. The Native Americans have an interesting separate-nation-within-a-nation thing going on. They are subject to some federal laws, and some state ones, but state and neighboring cities' law enforcement have no jurisdiction there. They have their own police forces, however. A common ploy of drunk drivers is to outrun the police during a chase to the nearest Pueblo, where they can't do a thing. Too many one-car rollovers near the pueblos/casinos around here as a result........ (Once again, "stupid people" and I don't use that word often!) Dragonfly (Pam) "nzlstar*" wrote in message ... wow, as you're here typing i guess you made it thru that night intact with no damage to the house. that is good news. {{{{{Pam}}}}}} the 'sovereign nation' thing on some issues that are a safety issue, to me seems just plain stupid. now had it been a 'security issue' i'll just betcha there'd be more than the police showing up in record time, sovereign nation be damned. very strange indeed they will sell the fireworks but also dont want them set off on their land. so if there is nowhere legal to set them off, why does anyone sell them? i'll assume the stuff is all imported? how can they come thru US state territory legally? or do they have their own airport and fly them into their own sovereign nation? its all baffling to me, in the extreme. j. "Dragonfly" wrote... Here (New Mexico) there are all sorts of restrictions on what is legal to buy/sell in the in-town fireworks stands, and restrictions on what can be shot off, due to fire danger. (Nothing louder than a cap pistol, nothing going higher than ten feet, must be used on pavement.) All is well-regulated in the stores and the fireworks stands. However, we are surrounded by Indian pueblos (considered sovereign nations not governed by those restrictions) and they sell all sorts of things. [Interestingly enough, they also have signs in their parking lots saying to not shoot off fireworks in the parking lot, nor elsewhere on Indian land.] We saw illegal fireworks shows going off all around us on the 4th, as well as the magnificent one put on (legally) by the city, which we can see from our backyard. [BTW, all those neighbors with illegal fireworks could have seen the City's show, as well, if they had bothered.] Everything shot off by our neighbors was quite a bit louder than a cap pistol, and went over ten feet in the air. Some were shooting off rockets going 100 feet or more in the air. And, to avoid the police getting there in time for their $100-$1000 fines, most were shooting off lots of stuff all at once, so that each individual's "fireworks show" was over in a few minutes. Very dangerous to shoot everything off at once like that, in an area with homes, surrounded by dry vegetation. Makes you want to wish that those things land on *their* roof, not ours! Stupid, stupid people. (And I don't normally use that word to describe anyone.) Dragonfly (Pam) "nzlstar*" wrote in message ... snipped seems to me its asking for more trouble when no one in authority has the good sense to cancel all fireworks displays and/or sale in areas where there is a high fire risk. is the 4th of July really all that important that it is worth the risk of setting more fires in those areas? flabberghasted and gobsmacked, j. |
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OT [very] My Hometown is on Fire
Ginger,
I feel for you. Sounds like SO CA in October. If you need to get out of Dodge, feel free to drive down here. I have room now that I got rid of the abused woman and house has not yet sold. Debbi in SO CA Ginger in CA wrote: A couple of days ago someone started a fire on the hills, possibly illegal fireworks, just near the gun club my dad built, and where I learned so much about life and myself [besides learning to be a crack shot]. The fire is now over 5000 acres and is heading into Goleta, a town near Santa Barbara [central coast Calif]. There has been structure loss and massive mandatory evacuations. Eighteen years ago there was a fire that marched from the top of the mountain down to the ocean in less than 3 hours, destroying most everything in its path, The Gap Fire, as it is called, started in windy Gap area of the hills. It is considered the #1 priority fire in state of Calif right now as I type. That is saying something, seeing how many fires are going right now. How am I affected, 40 miles away? The smoke in the air here is unhealthy, the uncertainty of who of my friends will be evacuated next. My friend was evacuated last night. He got two carloads out and wanted to go back in but cannot. On this day of celebration please hug your loved ones, and be careful with fireworks and celebrations. Ginger in CA |
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Fri evening update [was OT [very] My Hometown is on Fire]
The separate nation thing has come to light with one of my Arizona friends.
Her son was arrested on a road that is half reservation and half city jurisdiction. The reservation has kept the truck he was driving. They have no recourse that doesn't cost more than the truck! Kathyl (KJ) remove "nospam" before mchsi http://community.webshots.com/user/kathylquiltz "Dragonfly" wrote in message ... Actually the "Hometown is on Fire" part was from someone's post from California. We're not on fire in my part of NM....but some other parts of it are on fire. Nothing close enough that we have any smoke here, but close enough they get some coverage on the evening news. One area has had three major fires (people evacuated, structures destroyed) in the past two months. That's why fireworks (except the small stuff) were banned this year. Imported fireworks, yes. I think they all are. I don't know how the pueblos have been able to buy them to resell. Interesting question. The Native Americans have an interesting separate-nation-within-a-nation thing going on. They are subject to some federal laws, and some state ones, but state and neighboring cities' law enforcement have no jurisdiction there. They have their own police forces, however. A common ploy of drunk drivers is to outrun the police during a chase to the nearest Pueblo, where they can't do a thing. Too many one-car rollovers near the pueblos/casinos around here as a result........ (Once again, "stupid people" and I don't use that word often!) Dragonfly (Pam) "nzlstar*" wrote in message ... wow, as you're here typing i guess you made it thru that night intact with no damage to the house. that is good news. {{{{{Pam}}}}}} the 'sovereign nation' thing on some issues that are a safety issue, to me seems just plain stupid. now had it been a 'security issue' i'll just betcha there'd be more than the police showing up in record time, sovereign nation be damned. very strange indeed they will sell the fireworks but also dont want them set off on their land. so if there is nowhere legal to set them off, why does anyone sell them? i'll assume the stuff is all imported? how can they come thru US state territory legally? or do they have their own airport and fly them into their own sovereign nation? its all baffling to me, in the extreme. j. "Dragonfly" wrote... Here (New Mexico) there are all sorts of restrictions on what is legal to buy/sell in the in-town fireworks stands, and restrictions on what can be shot off, due to fire danger. (Nothing louder than a cap pistol, nothing going higher than ten feet, must be used on pavement.) All is well-regulated in the stores and the fireworks stands. However, we are surrounded by Indian pueblos (considered sovereign nations not governed by those restrictions) and they sell all sorts of things. [Interestingly enough, they also have signs in their parking lots saying to not shoot off fireworks in the parking lot, nor elsewhere on Indian land.] We saw illegal fireworks shows going off all around us on the 4th, as well as the magnificent one put on (legally) by the city, which we can see from our backyard. [BTW, all those neighbors with illegal fireworks could have seen the City's show, as well, if they had bothered.] Everything shot off by our neighbors was quite a bit louder than a cap pistol, and went over ten feet in the air. Some were shooting off rockets going 100 feet or more in the air. And, to avoid the police getting there in time for their $100-$1000 fines, most were shooting off lots of stuff all at once, so that each individual's "fireworks show" was over in a few minutes. Very dangerous to shoot everything off at once like that, in an area with homes, surrounded by dry vegetation. Makes you want to wish that those things land on *their* roof, not ours! Stupid, stupid people. (And I don't normally use that word to describe anyone.) Dragonfly (Pam) "nzlstar*" wrote in message ... snipped seems to me its asking for more trouble when no one in authority has the good sense to cancel all fireworks displays and/or sale in areas where there is a high fire risk. is the 4th of July really all that important that it is worth the risk of setting more fires in those areas? flabberghasted and gobsmacked, j. |
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