TW's "Noah's Ark"

Thanks for that, Kitty Queen. I feel better now :-)
Miss G

"Tia Mary-remove nekoluvr to reply " wrote in
message ...
From: "Pat P"

.... We hardly know you and there are
far too many people selling/swapping photocopies - we`re all just a bit
cautious. .....

I think that most of us who are regulars have started to be more
descriptive when we post wanting to trade and "original copy" of a chart.
I
wonder if using a term like this more frequently would help. That way,
newbies
and occasional posters might not fall into the whole "copy" wording
delimma!
VBS -- it really is a problem for people who don't post here all the time.
THEY know they have an "original copy" but never think to use the term.
To us,
who are so sensitive to the whole photocopy problem, that *one* word
raises
our hackles -- especially when posted by someone not well known. CiaoMeow
^;;^
.


PAX, Tia Mary ^;;^ Queen of Kitties
Angels can't show their wings on earth but nothing was ever said about
their
WHISKERS!!
Nothing is complete without a few cat hairs!

Miss Grunge has actually been around for a long time, but maybe she hasn't
posted much (like myself). I think she is a fellow Aussie. If so, it could
be a regional usage of the term "copy", because I knew exactly what she
meant and felt Caryn's reply was a little reactionary.

Ok....just to remind you....I asked her nicely if she could clarify her use of
copy, because the word could very EASILY be misinterpretted here. I did not
assume she was peddling photocopies, I just wanted to give her the chance to
assure the group she wasn't.

But, her calling me a "Needlepoint Nazi" wasn't "reactionary"?

It's all well and good to defend a fellow countryperson, but don't you think
she might have gone a bit far?

Caryn
Blue Wizard Designs
http://hometown.aol.com/crzy4xst/index.html
Updated: 7/7/03 -- now available Dragon of the Stars
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Oh I`m sure you`re right - but please DON`T let us forget the primary cause
for the reaction. The well founded objection to illegal copying of charts!
It`s just as well to be reminded, if only for the benefit of newcomers who
don`t know about that!

Pat P

"Leigh Harris" wrote in message
news
Another point of view here...

Miss Grunge has actually been around for a long time, but maybe she hasn't
posted much (like myself). I think she is a fellow Aussie. If so, it could
be a regional usage of the term "copy", because I knew exactly what she
meant and felt Caryn's reply was a little reactionary.

So, let's all forget about it and put it down to the wonderful vagaries of
this strange language that we all claim to have in common, but don't
really.
:-)

--
Leigh
Perth, Western Australia
Real email is bearleigh at bigpond dot com

"Pat P" wrote
No need to take offence like that, Miss G. We hardly know you and there
are
far too many people selling/swapping photocopies - we`re all just a bit
cautious. Caryn couldn`t have put it more politely than she did.

When we see the word "copy" it makes most of us cringe a bit! My
reactions
were much like Caryn`s! ;-))

Pat P

"Miss Grunge" wrote in message
...
Caryn,
If I offered you my 'copy' of the Bible, wouldn't you assume I meant a
published book?? Puhlease. Are you interested in my second-hand,
printed
and published copy of the original chart drawn and created by Teresa
Wenzler, or do you just fancy yourself as the Needlepoint Nazi?
Miss G.


"Caryn" wrote in message
...
Hi,
I've got a copy of this to swap. Email me direct if you're
interested.
Cheers,
Miss Grunge.

Can we hope that you used the word "copy" by accident, and meant
that
you
have
the original chart which you wish to trade for another original
chart
owned by
someone else?

Obviously, trading copies instead of original charts would be wrong,
right?

Caryn
Blue Wizard Designs
http://hometown.aol.com/crzy4xst/index.html
Updated: 7/7/03 -- now available Dragon of the Stars
View WIPs at: http://community.webshots.com/user/carynlws (Caryn's
UFO's)

Thanks for that, Kitty Queen. I feel better now :-)
Miss G

Sooooo glad YOU feel better.

Caryn
Blue Wizard Designs
http://hometown.aol.com/crzy4xst/index.html
Updated: 7/7/03 -- now available Dragon of the Stars
View WIPs at: http://community.webshots.com/user/carynlws (Caryn's UFO's)

I think she is a fellow Aussie. If so, it could
be a regional usage of the term "copy", because I knew exactly what she
meant and felt Caryn's reply was a little reactionary.

Ditto, ditto! The LNS uses the same phrase as well. If we expect the worst of
people that's what will be recieved!

cowie

CowieLuv wrote:
I think she is a fellow Aussie. If so, it could
be a regional usage of the term "copy", because I knew exactly what she
meant and felt Caryn's reply was a little reactionary.

Since Caryn's a designer I thought it was merited. Illegal copying of
charts hurts _her_.


Ditto, ditto! The LNS uses the same phrase as well. If we expect the worst of
people that's what will be recieved!

Unfortunately if we don't clarify the difference between an original
chart and a photocopy of a chart it's far easier for the practice of
illegal copying to continue.

I thought Caryn's initial reply was fine. She was polite and nonaccusing.


Karen E.
--
_______________________________________
"Few things are harder to put up with than the annoyance of a good example"
Mark Twain, 'Puddn'head Wilson'

Delurking again (I seem to be doing that a lot lately)

I too, would have used the word "copy" to describe a chart that I had
purchased in a store. I would never have thought to clarify with the
word "original", and I've been reading this group for a while : ).
It's what I call a chart in casual conversation with other
cross-stitchers - so I would have just used it in the same sense here.
Technically speaking, it is a copy, since the designer has the true
original. Another case where the spoken word and the typed page can
come across as two totally different things. And I probably would have
gotten a little bit defensive at Caryn's post, even though I know she
didn't mean anything bad by it - it just would have upset me that
anyone would think that I would want to trade a photocopy, even though
none of you know me personally to know I wouldn't do that. I don't
think I would have reacted in quite the same way, however. This
discussion has been helpful overall, and in the future if I have a
chart to trade I promise I will try to remember to call it a "chart"
or "original" and not a copy : )


Raine

"Pat P" wrote in message ...
Oh I`m sure you`re right - but please DON`T let us forget the primary cause
for the reaction. The well founded objection to illegal copying of charts!
It`s just as well to be reminded, if only for the benefit of newcomers who
don`t know about that!

Pat P

In article ,
wd (Caryn) wrote:

Can we hope that you used the word "copy" by accident, and meant that you have
the original chart which you wish to trade for another original chart owned by
someone else?



I had such a nice long break from RCTN. I return for a visit and the
first thread I read is someone assuming the worst whilst trying to
pretend to assume the best.

No one wants to talk about this peice? About the beautiful combination
of over one and over two stitching? About how to organize for blended
threads? About recharting the rainbow so the colors are in the right
order? About adapting it for use as a birth sampler, for example?

But we have time to make sure our use of language is holier than the
next person's?

Argh.

Mirjam, you are right in chastising me for the sarcastic ending..I really
should have left off that last bit... I humbly apologize and I Will try to
"get a life" and not be so annoyed at others who "slam" people for
doing/saying what they think is right. I guess it behooves (sp) all of us
to give a second thought to what we say, when we say it and how it might be
taken by others... Thank you for pointing this "fault" out to me... I'll try
to behave myself in the future...Might not always succeed but sure will
try... I'll have to now that I know that I have you standing behind me to
kick my b*** if I don't behave... Thank you...AND I truly mean it.

Marc

--
http://community.webshots.com/user/needlemania

http://www.cyberstitchers.com/Galler...=1065918331265
"Mirjam Bruck-Cohen" wrote in message
...
Marc!
I really am not a part on this debate , but i do wonder, everytime any
one here writes to another Mature grown up person, whose life
circumstbnaces are not known , or only partly known to the
writer,,,this phrase " Get a life " . Do you consider that NICE ?
could you explain to me why after you write so rightly [ and i do
compliment you on this]
I think we all need to be a little bit aware of how we word things on
this or any other group...
why do you than add this .....
? I guess somepeople just have to "get a life"
Marc
and thus doing the opposite of what yourself just wrote.
mirjam


--
http://community.webshots.com/user/needlemania

http://www.cyberstitchers.com/Galler...=1065918331265
"Caryn" wrote in message
...
Caryn,
If I offered you my 'copy' of the Bible, wouldn't you assume I meant a
published book?? Puhlease. Are you interested in my second-hand,
printed
and published copy of the original chart drawn and created by Teresa
Wenzler, or do you just fancy yourself as the Needlepoint Nazi?
Miss G.

I asked nicely, wanting to give you the opportunity to clarify the word
copy.
Because I am aware that sometimes asking for "a copy" can get you
several
angry
posts and emails.

I sent this to both here and email simultaneously, because your
original
post
requested people email you, and I wanted to be sure you saw it in one
place or
the other.

You were much more pleasant in your reply to me in email. Which
doesn't
speak
very well of the impression you wish to make here in public.
Calling me a Needlepoint Nazi certainly reflects more poorly on you
than
it
does on me.

Caryn (see my original post below)

"Caryn" wrote in message
...
Hi,
I've got a copy of this to swap. Email me direct if you're
interested.
Cheers,
Miss Grunge.

Can we hope that you used the word "copy" by accident, and meant
that
you
have
the original chart which you wish to trade for another original
chart
owned by
someone else?

Obviously, trading copies instead of original charts would be wrong,
right?

Caryn


Blue Wizard Designs
http://hometown.aol.com/crzy4xst/index.html
Updated: 7/7/03 -- now available Dragon of the Stars
View WIPs at: http://community.webshots.com/user/carynlws (Caryn's
UFO's)

Good morning Marc,
It is 06.43 Wensday morning here , and i opened my window to a very
clear rain washed sky , the sun rises , but her shining in all her
glory , doesn`t fullfil the promise of being a warm day, on the
contrary , it is going to be a cold day. Thus it was very nice to read
your wonderful cynical letter., I still ponder about the term you used
, you haven`t clarified it to me, not the term, nore why you used it ?
Which was my question. First i complimented you , and still do for
your call to be aware how our words are accepted by others. I realy
didn`t mean to offend you , i apologize if you were . i realy wanted
to know why you used that term ? And why you contradicted your own
words ? i am sorry that you felt upset , but cynical answers like
yours , make me doubt your seriousness about taking other`s feelings
into consideration , when posting.
I was always sure that this is not a Se'ance.
Good day to you.
mirjam
ps , and just in case you wonder about my words, we in the east ,
speak many a time in metaphors and proverbs , your first letter looked
like this morning`s sun.
On Tue, 17 Feb 2004 22:30:56 -0500, wrote:

Mirjam, you are right in chastising me for the sarcastic ending..I really
should have left off that last bit... I humbly apologize and I Will try to
"get a life" and not be so annoyed at others who "slam" people for
doing/saying what they think is right. I guess it behooves (sp) all of us
to give a second thought to what we say, when we say it and how it might be
taken by others... Thank you for pointing this "fault" out to me... I'll try
to behave myself in the future...Might not always succeed but sure will
try... I'll have to now that I know that I have you standing behind me to
kick my b*** if I don't behave... Thank you...AND I truly mean it.

Marc

--
http://community.webshots.com/user/needlemania

http://www.cyberstitchers.com/Galler...=1065918331265
"Mirjam Bruck-Cohen" wrote in message
...
Marc!
I really am not a part on this debate , but i do wonder, everytime any
one here writes to another Mature grown up person, whose life
circumstbnaces are not known , or only partly known to the
writer,,,this phrase " Get a life " . Do you consider that NICE ?
could you explain to me why after you write so rightly [ and i do
compliment you on this]
I think we all need to be a little bit aware of how we word things on
this or any other group...
why do you than add this .....
? I guess somepeople just have to "get a life"
Marc
and thus doing the opposite of what yourself just wrote.
mirjam


--
http://community.webshots.com/user/needlemania

http://www.cyberstitchers.com/Galler...=1065918331265
"Caryn" wrote in message
...
Caryn,
If I offered you my 'copy' of the Bible, wouldn't you assume I meant a
published book?? Puhlease. Are you interested in my second-hand,
printed
and published copy of the original chart drawn and created by Teresa
Wenzler, or do you just fancy yourself as the Needlepoint Nazi?
Miss G.

I asked nicely, wanting to give you the opportunity to clarify the word
copy.
Because I am aware that sometimes asking for "a copy" can get you
several
angry
posts and emails.

I sent this to both here and email simultaneously, because your
original
post
requested people email you, and I wanted to be sure you saw it in one
place or
the other.

You were much more pleasant in your reply to me in email. Which
doesn't
speak
very well of the impression you wish to make here in public.
Calling me a Needlepoint Nazi certainly reflects more poorly on you
than
it
does on me.

Caryn (see my original post below)

"Caryn" wrote in message
...
Hi,
I've got a copy of this to swap. Email me direct if you're
interested.
Cheers,
Miss Grunge.

Can we hope that you used the word "copy" by accident, and meant
that
you
have
the original chart which you wish to trade for another original
chart
owned by
someone else?

Obviously, trading copies instead of original charts would be wrong,
right?

Caryn


Blue Wizard Designs
http://hometown.aol.com/crzy4xst/index.html
Updated: 7/7/03 -- now available Dragon of the Stars
View WIPs at: http://community.webshots.com/user/carynlws (Caryn's
UFO's)