OT Roses

I am really hoping Ms Butterfly or any other Rosarians here can help me
out a bit.

As most of you know my 4 year old grandson, Damian, is non-verbal
autistic. He is a bit rambunctious, so I have become my DD's plant
nursery. In addition to seed starting, she brings me over various plants
that have been "Damianed", to nurse back to health.

Well the girl is very fond of roses. She has left a trail of them behind
her planted in yards across the county. She must have the touch because
all the ones we know about are thriving. In fact her ex has tried mowing
and rooting up the ones in his yard and just managed to make more. ;D

So one of the plants she brought over is a rose. It was given to her in a
pot a few months ago so she does not even know what color it is much less
what kind. The boy knocked it over, tried to pick it up, got stabbed by
the thorns, and then kicked it across the kitchen.
I took it in, bandaged it up, and it has fully recovered and is very
happily growing. The bonkers thing is sending up suckers in the pot.
This is causing some problems among my garden starts.
The blasted rose grabs me every time I try and water anything on that
table.
OK, yes the roses in my yard tend to be a tiny bit, erm, aggressive. Some
of you may recall the one in my front yard tried to eat a dog once. But
this is indoors, and while it will go to live outdoors after last frost I
would like it to be a bit more mannerly.
Can you peg a rose in a pot when you mean to plant it out?
I am curious as to how much light it can do without so I could put it
Elsewhere.
Or how much cold I dare subject it to with the same motive.
I am limited as to places that are out of reach of cats. Though I suspect
that that would be a thing to see, especially being as Jiji is a long
hair. All that long fur, all those thorns...and he is just a fiend for
greens.

NightMist
--
I'm raising a developmentally disabled child. What's your superpower?

ROFL! I am the farthest from a rose expert you could imagine. But it
seems to me that you have the magic fingers. You cannot kill a plant,
and every plant you touch turns into superplant. So what are you
worried about? Swathe it in burlap or bubble wrap and bung it outdoors
in a sheltered spot. I bet it will survive and thrive! And then you
can come over here and give my garden a boost of energy :-)
Roberta in D

On Wed, 27 Mar 2013 02:55:54 +0000 (UTC), NightMist
wrote:

I am really hoping Ms Butterfly or any other Rosarians here can help me
out a bit.

As most of you know my 4 year old grandson, Damian, is non-verbal
autistic. He is a bit rambunctious, so I have become my DD's plant
nursery. In addition to seed starting, she brings me over various plants
that have been "Damianed", to nurse back to health.

Well the girl is very fond of roses. She has left a trail of them behind
her planted in yards across the county. She must have the touch because
all the ones we know about are thriving. In fact her ex has tried mowing
and rooting up the ones in his yard and just managed to make more. ;D

So one of the plants she brought over is a rose. It was given to her in a
pot a few months ago so she does not even know what color it is much less
what kind. The boy knocked it over, tried to pick it up, got stabbed by
the thorns, and then kicked it across the kitchen.
I took it in, bandaged it up, and it has fully recovered and is very
happily growing. The bonkers thing is sending up suckers in the pot.
This is causing some problems among my garden starts.
The blasted rose grabs me every time I try and water anything on that
table.
OK, yes the roses in my yard tend to be a tiny bit, erm, aggressive. Some
of you may recall the one in my front yard tried to eat a dog once. But
this is indoors, and while it will go to live outdoors after last frost I
would like it to be a bit more mannerly.
Can you peg a rose in a pot when you mean to plant it out?
I am curious as to how much light it can do without so I could put it
Elsewhere.
Or how much cold I dare subject it to with the same motive.
I am limited as to places that are out of reach of cats. Though I suspect
that that would be a thing to see, especially being as Jiji is a long
hair. All that long fur, all those thorns...and he is just a fiend for
greens.

NightMist

On Wed, 27 Mar 2013 11:00:54 +0100, Roberta wrote:

ROFL! I am the farthest from a rose expert you could imagine. But it
seems to me that you have the magic fingers. You cannot kill a plant,
and every plant you touch turns into superplant. So what are you worried
about? Swathe it in burlap or bubble wrap and bung it outdoors in a
sheltered spot. I bet it will survive and thrive! And then you can come
over here and give my garden a boost of energy :-) Roberta in D

Nah, it is not magic fingers, or a green thumb or anything like that. It
is figuring out what plants like you and which plants hate you.

Old garden roses like me, the modern hybrids are a bit more ambiguous
about me.
And while I have successfully done middling to impressive plant things,
such as germinating and growing meconopsis (blue poppy) from seed and
growing european mandragora from seed in my basement, some really simple
plants just hate me. I cannot grow pansies, petunias, or echinacea for
anything. Either they do not germinate at all, or they just keel over
and die. Even bought from a nursery they swoon and fail in pretty short
order. I call it my pansy curse, and it is irritating. These are
flowers where if most people spill a bit of seed it's "oops! guess I have
a new flower patch!".
I had some echinacea that was doing well among my starts, then Jiji got
into the room with them. I caught him as he was pacing around the indoor
greenhouse that I heat for starting peppers, casing the joint no doubt.
I grabbed the spray bottle, he took evasive action and went through the
other starts. He knocked the echinacea and the holy basil onto the
floor. I saved the holy basil, but the echinacea sort of splattered in a
swathe across the floor, and though I did my best none of it survived.
Clearly I am not meant to have any. The echinacea was thriving,
therefore deity dictated a cat.
And I dictated a wet bottom for that cat.

NightMist

--
I'm raising a developmentally disabled child. What's your superpower?

I'm here.
Exactly what do yo mean by 'peg a rose'? Put a 'stick' to keep it uupright
to hold it there? that's all I can come up with. And yes you can do that
without any problem.
I have 6 out back that aare in containers as we're renting now so they ahve
to be 'movable'. I am NOT leaving them behind as i've done before.
Get rid of the suckers as they are taking the nourishment from the main
rose and leaving them will convert the rose to the base stock that all roses
are now grafted to. I don't have a cat but I've heard that bunched up
aluminum foil around the base of the plant is enuf to keep the cats
out--they don't like the feel or noise of walking on it. NO guarantees
tho.......I haven't tried it.
Keep the growth to a minumum the first year so the roots have time to get
established, get rid of the buds as soon as you see them. Second year you
can allow a few buds to blossom and then the third year--stand back.
Remember a saying that went something like this:
First year: roots
Second: growth
Third:STAND BACK and enjoy the blooms.
Roses take a LOT of fertilizer...I use to 'fertilize' once a week at 1/4 the
recommended amount. Used a specialized Rose one. They also love coffee
grounds (not decaf tho). I got bags of it from Starbucks....ask and they set
them aside for you. We always called a day ahead.
Sounds like you do know what you're doing.

Now tell me how to get the Hibiscus to come back? It had a few nights of
hard frost here and it was well covered. Did cut it back 2 weeks ago as it
didn't show any life. Our temps are in the high 70° and low 80° this week.

Butterfly

Sweetling I still have snow on the ground here! What do I know from
hibiscus? (G) If I ever plant any it will be an annual.
On my garden forums people all across the south and southwest are
swearing because of the plants they have lost due to unexpected frost.
They say if we do not have a kicking year here in the north that grocery
prices will go up. I am starting to believe that somebody will say that
every year.

You probably know pegging by a different word. Where you take the green
canes and bend them down and fasten them so. These days a good many
people use landscape staples, my gramma used "dolly" clothespins that my
grandpa had widened between the prongs over the winter. I have used
landscape staples, but prefer to drive pegs into the ground and tie. It
keeps the rose shaped as you wish, and breaks the nodes so you get more
blossoms. I do it with my Autumn Damask (Quatre Saisons), and this year
I intend to get some thicker leather gloves, and maybe some body armor.
Wow that thing has thorns! Worth it for the fragrance though, you can
smell that rose for 2 blocks when it is in full bloom.

Timely words on the suckers, my roses are all own root so I would never
have thought of it.

I think I may just lay tinfoil over the whole floor in the room my garden
starts and other plants are in (big window with southern exposure). I
have a lemon and a lime tree coming in next week, and if a cat chews on
them then I may have some new furry slippers!

NightMist


On Fri, 29 Mar 2013 16:54:42 -0700, Butterfly-Wings wrote:

I'm here.
Exactly what do yo mean by 'peg a rose'? Put a 'stick' to keep it
uupright to hold it there? that's all I can come up with. And yes you
can do that without any problem.
I have 6 out back that aare in containers as we're renting now so they
ahve to be 'movable'. I am NOT leaving them behind as i've done before.
Get rid of the suckers as they are taking the nourishment from the main
rose and leaving them will convert the rose to the base stock that all
roses are now grafted to. I don't have a cat but I've heard that bunched
up aluminum foil around the base of the plant is enuf to keep the cats
out--they don't like the feel or noise of walking on it. NO guarantees
tho.......I haven't tried it.
Keep the growth to a minumum the first year so the roots have time to
get established, get rid of the buds as soon as you see them. Second
year you can allow a few buds to blossom and then the third year--stand
back. Remember a saying that went something like this: First year: roots
Second: growth
Third:STAND BACK and enjoy the blooms. Roses take a LOT of
fertilizer...I use to 'fertilize' once a week at 1/4 the recommended
amount. Used a specialized Rose one. They also love coffee grounds (not
decaf tho). I got bags of it from Starbucks....ask and they set them
aside for you. We always called a day ahead. Sounds like you do know
what you're doing.

Now tell me how to get the Hibiscus to come back? It had a few nights of
hard frost here and it was well covered. Did cut it back 2 weeks ago as
it didn't show any life. Our temps are in the high 70° and low 80° this
week.

Butterfly





--
I'm raising a developmentally disabled child. What's your superpower?

I only just saw this, but you can peg amny roses. It works best with
hedge roses instead of hybrids, tho.

On Wed, 27 Mar 2013 02:55:54 +0000 (UTC), NightMist
wrote:

I am really hoping Ms Butterfly or any other Rosarians here can help me
out a bit.

As most of you know my 4 year old grandson, Damian, is non-verbal
autistic. He is a bit rambunctious, so I have become my DD's plant
nursery. In addition to seed starting, she brings me over various plants
that have been "Damianed", to nurse back to health.

Well the girl is very fond of roses. She has left a trail of them behind
her planted in yards across the county. She must have the touch because
all the ones we know about are thriving. In fact her ex has tried mowing
and rooting up the ones in his yard and just managed to make more. ;D

So one of the plants she brought over is a rose. It was given to her in a
pot a few months ago so she does not even know what color it is much less
what kind. The boy knocked it over, tried to pick it up, got stabbed by
the thorns, and then kicked it across the kitchen.
I took it in, bandaged it up, and it has fully recovered and is very
happily growing. The bonkers thing is sending up suckers in the pot.
This is causing some problems among my garden starts.
The blasted rose grabs me every time I try and water anything on that
table.
OK, yes the roses in my yard tend to be a tiny bit, erm, aggressive. Some
of you may recall the one in my front yard tried to eat a dog once. But
this is indoors, and while it will go to live outdoors after last frost I
would like it to be a bit more mannerly.
Can you peg a rose in a pot when you mean to plant it out?
I am curious as to how much light it can do without so I could put it
Elsewhere.
Or how much cold I dare subject it to with the same motive.
I am limited as to places that are out of reach of cats. Though I suspect
that that would be a thing to see, especially being as Jiji is a long
hair. All that long fur, all those thorns...and he is just a fiend for
greens.

NightMist