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Long Tail Cast On --- WHY??
What is the purpose of the long tail cast on?
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Long Tail Cast On --- WHY??
On May 14, 8:07 am, "Brenda" wrote:
What is the purpose of the long tail cast on? Brenda "This creates a nice, stretchy edge that works well for stockinette stitch or for ribbing. Easy to knit from, easy to pick up stitches from, this is also the fastest cast-on I know, once you get the hang of it. It's even faster than Single Cast-On when you take into account that this method creates an already knitted row." - http://www.knittinghelp.com/knitting/basic_techniques/ VP |
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Long Tail Cast On --- WHY??
To get the knitting started, maybe?
On Sun, 13 May 2007 15:07:50 -0500, "Brenda" wrote: What is the purpose of the long tail cast on? Brenda |
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Long Tail Cast On --- WHY??
Vintage Purls wrote:
On May 14, 8:07 am, "Brenda" wrote: What is the purpose of the long tail cast on? Brenda "This creates a nice, stretchy edge that works well for stockinette stitch or for ribbing. Easy to knit from, easy to pick up stitches from, this is also the fastest cast-on I know, once you get the hang of it. It's even faster than Single Cast-On when you take into account that this method creates an already knitted row." - http://www.knittinghelp.com/knitting/basic_techniques/ What VP said. Though I take exception to the part about creating an already knitted row. It's not the same size as a regular row (as if you were to do a backwards loop CO, then purl the first row), and shouldn't be counted as one. sue |
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Long Tail Cast On --- WHY??
In article ews.net,
suzee wrote: Vintage Purls wrote: On May 14, 8:07 am, "Brenda" wrote: What is the purpose of the long tail cast on? "This creates a nice, stretchy edge that works well for stockinette stitch or for ribbing. Easy to knit from, easy to pick up stitches from, this is also the fastest cast-on I know, once you get the hang of it. It's even faster than Single Cast-On when you take into account that this method creates an already knitted row." - http://www.knittinghelp.com/knitting/basic_techniques/ What VP said. Though I take exception to the part about creating an already knitted row. It's not the same size as a regular row (as if you were to do a backwards loop CO, then purl the first row), and shouldn't be counted as one. It can be the same size, if you do it loosely enough, but I think it makes that first row backwards. I still like it. It makes a good solid start to the knitting. I don't find it as stretchy as some do, but that's also a matter of how you do it. =Tamar |
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Long Tail Cast On --- WHY??
On Mon, 14 May 2007 09:48:22 -0700, suzee wrote:
I just really get annoyed when How To directions for it say `this CO makes a row of knitting so you should start your pattern on the WS row' or something to that effect. This is so not true Why isn't it true? If I design a sweater pattern I might say: "Cast on 300 using the long-tail method. Next row is a right-side row." Why would I do that? I want the purl bumps inherent in a long-tail cast-on to be a design element. It isn't true or untrue - it's how I designed the sweater. and really confuses beginners because they think they shouldn't do R 1 or that they should count the CO as a `row' when knitting X for 10 rows or something. That's a fault of the pattern designer and/or the pattern editor and has nothing to do with the cast-on. The designer's job is to produce a garment with some sort of instructions for reproducing same; the editor's job is to turn the designer's chicken-scratch into instructions usable by your average "must have a pattern to follow" knitter. If the instructions are unclear or the knitter inexperienced then confusion will ensue, but don't blame the cast-on for that. CO, not a row and it's not necessary to with R2. After a person has some experience they can decide what looks better to them in a particular pattern. Indeed. |
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Long Tail Cast On --- WHY??
On Sun, 13 May 2007 16:23:32 -0700, suzee wrote:
What VP said. Though I take exception to the part about creating an already knitted row. It's not the same size as a regular row (as if you were to do a backwards loop CO, then purl the first row), and shouldn't be counted as one. Were you to make a backward loop cast on and then knit those loops you'd end up with a smaller (in the sense of less wide as well as tighter), less-flexible edge than were you to make a "standard" long-tail cast-on. Why? Because as you knit the loops the loops tighten up, you take the slack up into the next loop, and the next, and the next as you work across the cast on. Eventually you work several inches (or feet, if you're casting on something big like an afghan) out of the cast-on edge and into the tail. With practice and concentration one's long-tail cast-on row can in fact be made at exactly the same gauge as the rest of the project. |
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Long Tail Cast On --- WHY??
Richard Eney wrote:
In article ews.net, suzee wrote: Vintage Purls wrote: On May 14, 8:07 am, "Brenda" wrote: What is the purpose of the long tail cast on? "This creates a nice, stretchy edge that works well for stockinette stitch or for ribbing. Easy to knit from, easy to pick up stitches from, this is also the fastest cast-on I know, once you get the hang of it. It's even faster than Single Cast-On when you take into account that this method creates an already knitted row." - http://www.knittinghelp.com/knitting/basic_techniques/ What VP said. Though I take exception to the part about creating an already knitted row. It's not the same size as a regular row (as if you were to do a backwards loop CO, then purl the first row), and shouldn't be counted as one. It can be the same size, if you do it loosely enough, but I think it makes that first row backwards. I still like it. It makes a good solid start to the knitting. I don't find it as stretchy as some do, but that's also a matter of how you do it. Mine is pretty stretchy, but it's pretty individual too. I just really get annoyed when How To directions for it say `this CO makes a row of knitting so you should start your pattern on the WS row' or something to that effect. This is so not true and really confuses beginners because they think they shouldn't do R 1 or that they should count the CO as a `row' when knitting X for 10 rows or something. It's a CO, not a row and it's not necessary to with R2. After a person has some experience they can decide what looks better to them in a particular pattern. sue |
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Long Tail Cast On --- WHY??
Actually, I think the long tail cast on is THE fast and easy way to achieve
a starting row that is the correct gauge. That is; that good long tail cast on takes less practice and concentration to get good results than other methods. Where I have to cast on a bunch of stitches, I will sometimes use a another piece of yarn tied to my working needle so that I can do a long tailed cast on within the field of fabric, rather than just using a backward loop cast on. Aaron "WoolyGooly" wrote in message ... On Sun, 13 May 2007 16:23:32 -0700, suzee wrote: What VP said. Though I take exception to the part about creating an already knitted row. It's not the same size as a regular row (as if you were to do a backwards loop CO, then purl the first row), and shouldn't be counted as one. Were you to make a backward loop cast on and then knit those loops you'd end up with a smaller (in the sense of less wide as well as tighter), less-flexible edge than were you to make a "standard" long-tail cast-on. Why? Because as you knit the loops the loops tighten up, you take the slack up into the next loop, and the next, and the next as you work across the cast on. Eventually you work several inches (or feet, if you're casting on something big like an afghan) out of the cast-on edge and into the tail. With practice and concentration one's long-tail cast-on row can in fact be made at exactly the same gauge as the rest of the project. |
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Long Tail Cast On --- WHY??
suzee wrote:
WoolyGooly wrote: On Sun, 13 May 2007 16:23:32 -0700, suzee wrote: What VP said. Though I take exception to the part about creating an already knitted row. It's not the same size as a regular row (as if you were to do a backwards loop CO, then purl the first row), and shouldn't be counted as one. Were you to make a backward loop cast on and then knit those loops you'd end up with a smaller (in the sense of less wide as well as tighter), less-flexible edge than were you to make a "standard" long-tail cast-on. Why? Because as you knit the loops the loops tighten up, you take the slack up into the next loop, and the next, and the next as you work across the cast on. Eventually you work several inches (or feet, if you're casting on something big like an afghan) out of the cast-on edge and into the tail. With practice and concentration one's long-tail cast-on row can in fact be made at exactly the same gauge as the rest of the project. Interesting... I've been using it for years and years and find that it's much smaller than the rest of my knitting. If I were to use much smaller needles than I do, it may be closer to the same gauge. sue Perhaps you should cast on with larger needles than you need and then change? madelaine |
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