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Old November 22nd 06, 02:38 AM posted to rec.crafts.pottery
DKat
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Default Single firing Done!

Well I unloaded the kiln and was amazed how many pots came out with such few
flaws. One poor little pot was glazed and reglazed so many times that I was
never planning on firing it, just playing with techique. It got stuck in
just on principle and came out one of the better pots. The pots that I
glazed bone dry came out just the same as if I had bisque fired them. I
glazed those pots last though and after I found from error which glazes fit
the best. I still like the feel of glazing leather hard but most of those
pots had the glaze crack off the lip and/or the outside. The repair I
attempted on the lips worked but not on the outside - that either crawled or
was too thin. I believe that I have to dampen the lip before glazing or
glaze when the pot is less dry - perhaps cover the lips. If glazing bone
dry had not been so successful I would be gungho to develop glazing leather
hard. After many tries I never was able to put multiple layers of glaze on.

Things I learned - You really have to be careful that the pot is as clean as
you can make it before glazing. That little spec of clay left from trimming
cannot be brushed off after firing, ruins the surface if glazed and become a
nasty little barb. You really can put the pots right next to one another.
Brushing on the glaze does not leave the awful brush marks you imagine it
will. And I learned that I really like single firing.

Thanks all for the help offered. It made a difference.

Donna



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Old November 22nd 06, 01:16 PM posted to rec.crafts.pottery
Steve Mills
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Default Single firing Done!

Well done Donna

:-)

Steve
Bath
UK



"DKat" wrote in message
...
Well I unloaded the kiln and was amazed how many pots came out with such
few flaws. One poor little pot was glazed and reglazed so many times that
I was never planning on firing it, just playing with techique. It got
stuck in just on principle and came out one of the better pots. The pots
that I glazed bone dry came out just the same as if I had bisque fired
them. I glazed those pots last though and after I found from error which
glazes fit the best. I still like the feel of glazing leather hard but
most of those pots had the glaze crack off the lip and/or the outside.
The repair I attempted on the lips worked but not on the outside - that
either crawled or was too thin. I believe that I have to dampen the lip
before glazing or glaze when the pot is less dry - perhaps cover the lips.
If glazing bone dry had not been so successful I would be gungho to
develop glazing leather hard. After many tries I never was able to put
multiple layers of glaze on.

Things I learned - You really have to be careful that the pot is as clean
as you can make it before glazing. That little spec of clay left from
trimming cannot be brushed off after firing, ruins the surface if glazed
and become a nasty little barb. You really can put the pots right next to
one another. Brushing on the glaze does not leave the awful brush marks
you imagine it will. And I learned that I really like single firing.

Thanks all for the help offered. It made a difference.

Donna





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Old November 23rd 06, 05:38 AM posted to rec.crafts.pottery
Elaine Stutt
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Default Single firing Done!

"Steve Mills" ) writes:
Well done Donna
:-) Steve
Bath UK


"DKat" wrote in message
...
Well I unloaded the kiln and was amazed how many pots came out with such
few flaws.


Yes, congratulations.

Single firing is differant but it's not that differant and not
difficult, it's too bad that most people these days end up working
out the details on their own.

Elaine
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Old November 24th 06, 05:06 PM posted to rec.crafts.pottery
Susie
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Default Single firing Done!

In message , DKat
writes
Well I unloaded the kiln and was amazed how many pots came out with such few
flaws. One poor little pot was glazed and reglazed so many times that I was
never planning on firing it, just playing with techique. It got stuck in
just on principle and came out one of the better pots. The pots that I
glazed bone dry came out just the same as if I had bisque fired them. I
glazed those pots last though and after I found from error which glazes fit
the best. I still like the feel of glazing leather hard but most of those
pots had the glaze crack off the lip and/or the outside. The repair I
attempted on the lips worked but not on the outside - that either crawled or
was too thin. I believe that I have to dampen the lip before glazing or
glaze when the pot is less dry - perhaps cover the lips. If glazing bone
dry had not been so successful I would be gungho to develop glazing leather
hard. After many tries I never was able to put multiple layers of glaze on.

Things I learned - You really have to be careful that the pot is as clean as
you can make it before glazing. That little spec of clay left from trimming
cannot be brushed off after firing, ruins the surface if glazed and become a
nasty little barb. You really can put the pots right next to one another.
Brushing on the glaze does not leave the awful brush marks you imagine it
will. And I learned that I really like single firing.

Thanks all for the help offered. It made a difference.

Donna



I'm so glad that this has worked for you. Do you ever post any pics
yourself? I really would love to see just how they've turned out. All
the help from everyone really helped me when I needed it just now. I
wonder if the power of positive thought to the nth degree affects
firings ;-)))

Susie
--
Susie Thompson
If you can't stand the heat, don't tickle the dragon!
to email me, replace deadspam.com with susiethompson.co.uk
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Old November 25th 06, 10:28 PM posted to rec.crafts.pottery
DKat
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Default Single firing Done!


"Susie" wrote in message
...
In message , DKat
writes
Well I unloaded the kiln and was amazed how many pots came out with such
few
flaws. One poor little pot was glazed and reglazed so many times that I
was
never planning on firing it, just playing with techique. It got stuck in
just on principle and came out one of the better pots. The pots that I
glazed bone dry came out just the same as if I had bisque fired them. I
glazed those pots last though and after I found from error which glazes
fit
the best. I still like the feel of glazing leather hard but most of those
pots had the glaze crack off the lip and/or the outside. The repair I
attempted on the lips worked but not on the outside - that either crawled
or
was too thin. I believe that I have to dampen the lip before glazing or
glaze when the pot is less dry - perhaps cover the lips. If glazing bone
dry had not been so successful I would be gungho to develop glazing
leather
hard. After many tries I never was able to put multiple layers of glaze
on.

Things I learned - You really have to be careful that the pot is as clean
as
you can make it before glazing. That little spec of clay left from
trimming
cannot be brushed off after firing, ruins the surface if glazed and become
a
nasty little barb. You really can put the pots right next to one another.
Brushing on the glaze does not leave the awful brush marks you imagine it
will. And I learned that I really like single firing.

Thanks all for the help offered. It made a difference.

Donna



I'm so glad that this has worked for you. Do you ever post any pics
yourself? I really would love to see just how they've turned out. All the
help from everyone really helped me when I needed it just now. I wonder
if the power of positive thought to the nth degree affects firings ;-)))

Susie
--
Susie Thompson
If you can't stand the heat, don't tickle the dragon!
to email me, replace deadspam.com with susiethompson.co.uk


I've tried posting a couple of pictures. of a sampler. I don't know if this
link will work...

http://new.photos.yahoo.com/album?c=...489903&.src=ph

http://new.photos.yahoo.com/album?c=...489903&.src=ph


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Old November 26th 06, 09:41 PM posted to rec.crafts.pottery
Susie
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Default Single firing Done!

In message , DKat
writes

"Susie" wrote in message
. ..
In message , DKat
writes
Well I unloaded the kiln and was amazed how many pots came out with such
few
flaws. One poor little pot was glazed and reglazed so many times that I
was
never planning on firing it, just playing with techique. It got stuck in
just on principle and came out one of the better pots. The pots that I
glazed bone dry came out just the same as if I had bisque fired them. I
glazed those pots last though and after I found from error which glazes
fit
the best. I still like the feel of glazing leather hard but most of those
pots had the glaze crack off the lip and/or the outside. The repair I
attempted on the lips worked but not on the outside - that either crawled
or
was too thin. I believe that I have to dampen the lip before glazing or
glaze when the pot is less dry - perhaps cover the lips. If glazing bone
dry had not been so successful I would be gungho to develop glazing
leather
hard. After many tries I never was able to put multiple layers of glaze
on.

Things I learned - You really have to be careful that the pot is as clean
as
you can make it before glazing. That little spec of clay left from
trimming
cannot be brushed off after firing, ruins the surface if glazed and become
a
nasty little barb. You really can put the pots right next to one another.
Brushing on the glaze does not leave the awful brush marks you imagine it
will. And I learned that I really like single firing.

Thanks all for the help offered. It made a difference.

Donna



I'm so glad that this has worked for you. Do you ever post any pics
yourself? I really would love to see just how they've turned out. All the
help from everyone really helped me when I needed it just now. I wonder
if the power of positive thought to the nth degree affects firings ;-)))


I've tried posting a couple of pictures. of a sampler. I don't know if this
link will work...

http://new.photos.yahoo.com/album?c=...2351119816&pid
=&wtok=UZjVt1DKkq4KM6iunAoN5Q--&ts=1164489903&.src=ph

http://new.photos.yahoo.com/album?c=...2351119816&pid
=&wtok=UZjVt1DKkq4KM6iunAoN5Q--&ts=1164489903&.src=ph

The link works - thanks Donna. I do like your glazes, especially the
floating blue and the red one. It seems years ago that I tried making
up glazes and I don't think that I'm ever going to do it now. I don't
know what would happen, but could happen if you double dipped the rims
of pots in a different glaze, or ran round them with an oxide, provided
that things didn't flux too much. I remember doing this years ago when
I went to Saturday morning art school when I was around 16, not that I
knew much about the chemistry and complications. Longer ago that I am
going to own up to! I envy you working with glazes, but other than
celadons I can't think of a glaze that I might use working in fine
detail. I always read that reduction firings in an electric kiln really
reduces life of elements - is this still true?

I don't have the space for wheels and glazing. Do I make small things
because I have a small workroom? Look forward to seeing just how
things go for you from now on.

Susie

ps, who's the cat?
--
Susie Thompson
If you can't stand the heat, don't tickle the dragon!
to email me, replace deadspam.com with susiethompson.co.uk
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Old November 26th 06, 11:37 PM posted to rec.crafts.pottery
DKat
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Default Single firing Done!


"Susie" wrote in message
...
The link works - thanks Donna. I do like your glazes, especially the
floating blue and the red one. It seems years ago that I tried making up
glazes and I don't think that I'm ever going to do it now. I don't know
what would happen, but could happen if you double dipped the rims of pots
in a different glaze, or ran round them with an oxide, provided that
things didn't flux too much. I remember doing this years ago when I went
to Saturday morning art school when I was around 16, not that I knew much
about the chemistry and complications. Longer ago that I am going to own
up to! I envy you working with glazes, but other than celadons I can't
think of a glaze that I might use working in fine detail. I always read
that reduction firings in an electric kiln really reduces life of
elements - is this still true?

I don't have the space for wheels and glazing. Do I make small things
because I have a small workroom? Look forward to seeing just how things
go for you from now on.

Susie

ps, who's the cat?
--
Susie Thompson
If you can't stand the heat, don't tickle the dragon!
to email me, replace deadspam.com with susiethompson.co.uk


The cat is Shamu, who insist on being exactly where he will be the most
trouble. He is a foster who has lived with us for a few years now (a feral
kitten who was only going to spend the weekend - I somehow never got around
to trying to find a home for him).

Yes, reduction is not going to be friendly to your electric kiln. I have
heard of people firing inside a sealed saggar in an election kiln for
reduction but I don't understand how. Supposedly you do get some reduction
in an electric kiln but it is never going to be enough to give the shino,
celadon, copper reds, etc. that you get in a gas or wood kiln. Celadon is
one of my favorite glazes and is one I'm going to try to fake in oxidation.
I don't have much hope.

There was a potter in NY who called herself the 'Closet Potter'. She
actually had her wheel in her closet. She did however glaze and fire
elsewhere I believe. I miss her site (I am told she gave up potting). What
I'm saying is that you can do wheel work in a very small space but I don't
know why you would want to give up time that could be spent on your
sculptures.

Speaking of which - How did you get the wonderful colors on your dragon
having a picnic on it's belly if you don't do glazing? I can't even imagine
having the fine motor control you must have.

Thanks for asking and your interest. I will be reporting as things move
along.

Donna



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Old November 27th 06, 12:58 PM posted to rec.crafts.pottery
Susie
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Default Single firing Done!

The cat is Shamu, who insist on being exactly where he will be the most
trouble. He is a foster who has lived with us for a few years now (a feral
kitten who was only going to spend the weekend - I somehow never got around
to trying to find a home for him).

Yes, reduction is not going to be friendly to your electric kiln. I have
heard of people firing inside a sealed saggar in an election kiln for
reduction but I don't understand how. Supposedly you do get some reduction
in an electric kiln but it is never going to be enough to give the shino,
celadon, copper reds, etc. that you get in a gas or wood kiln. Celadon is
one of my favorite glazes and is one I'm going to try to fake in oxidation.
I don't have much hope.

There was a potter in NY who called herself the 'Closet Potter'. She
actually had her wheel in her closet. She did however glaze and fire
elsewhere I believe. I miss her site (I am told she gave up potting). What
I'm saying is that you can do wheel work in a very small space but I don't
know why you would want to give up time that could be spent on your
sculptures.

Speaking of which - How did you get the wonderful colors on your dragon
having a picnic on it's belly if you don't do glazing? I can't even imagine
having the fine motor control you must have.

Thanks for asking and your interest. I will be reporting as things move
along.

Hi Donna

Shamu looks just lovely, a cat with attitude. Please give him/her a
tickle from me. We have a nearly twelve year old black Labrador called
Holly who mooches around the house most of the day.

I've just posted more pictures on Flickr

www.flickr.com/photos/arrandragons

I've made notes against the images regarding glaze, enamels and lustres.
I found a long time ago that it's possible to paint enamels onto high
fired unglazed porcelain. Did the ancient Chinese used to do this?
Lustres don't want to work without the glaze base. Or has anybody out
there found a way around this?

Over the years I've collected a rainbow of enamels and lustres. I've got
some of the cadmium selenium but don't like their less subtle colours.
All the other enamels seem to be pretty well intermixable. Don't worry,
I shan't be going back to glaze experimenting with celadon or anything
else, but I do so enjoy looking at other peoples' work. I think I've
found where I ought to be and stay with it. Just out of interest, have
you come across anyone else working in this sort of way with studio
porcelain? We've hunted the internet with no luck.

My first two cats are now on Flickr. More cats are popping out of the
clay at the moment. I have work on exhibition at Ayr over on the
mainland at the moment. I talked to the gallery manager this morning,
and she's encouraging me to explore this new direction. I have a few
ideas cooking in the back of my mind, so I'll try making them when
they're good and ready.

I just *can't* imagine making dragons in the closet :-)) Did you ever
get to see any of the Closet Potter's work? Can I find it anywhere on
the internet?

I've been putting work into a local pre-Christmas exhibition in Brodick
Castle on the Isle of Arran for two or three years now. Because my work
is small and fragile, it always goes into a glass display case. The
shelving in the case is ten inches deep with around a foot headroom. It
also has yellowy-green silk lining which gives a difficult colour cast.
Well, I've decided that Next Year I'm going to make a really large
dragon out of paper clay and call it either "Breaking out of the Case".
Something so large that they just can't get it into the case. They
might even have to put in on the grand piano in the drawing room! Is
this mutiny?!?

Have a good time
Best wishes

Susie




--
Susie Thompson
If you can't stand the heat, don't tickle the dragon!
to email me, replace deadspam.com with susiethompson.co.uk
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Old November 28th 06, 03:21 PM posted to rec.crafts.pottery
DKat
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Default Single firing Done!


"Susie" wrote in message
...
Shamu looks just lovely, a cat with attitude. Please give him/her a tickle
from me. We have a nearly twelve year old black Labrador called Holly
who mooches around the house most of the day.

I've just posted more pictures on Flickr

www.flickr.com/photos/arrandragons

I've made notes against the images regarding glaze, enamels and lustres. I
found a long time ago that it's possible to paint enamels onto high fired
unglazed porcelain. Did the ancient Chinese used to do this? Lustres don't
want to work without the glaze base. Or has anybody out there found a way
around this?

Over the years I've collected a rainbow of enamels and lustres. I've got
some of the cadmium selenium but don't like their less subtle colours. All
the other enamels seem to be pretty well intermixable. Don't worry, I
shan't be going back to glaze experimenting with celadon or anything else,
but I do so enjoy looking at other peoples' work. I think I've found
where I ought to be and stay with it. Just out of interest, have you come
across anyone else working in this sort of way with studio porcelain?
We've hunted the internet with no luck.

My first two cats are now on Flickr. More cats are popping out of the
clay at the moment. I have work on exhibition at Ayr over on the mainland
at the moment. I talked to the gallery manager this morning, and she's
encouraging me to explore this new direction. I have a few ideas cooking
in the back of my mind, so I'll try making them when they're good and
ready.

I just *can't* imagine making dragons in the closet :-)) Did you ever get
to see any of the Closet Potter's work? Can I find it anywhere on the
internet?

I've been putting work into a local pre-Christmas exhibition in Brodick
Castle on the Isle of Arran for two or three years now. Because my work
is small and fragile, it always goes into a glass display case. The
shelving in the case is ten inches deep with around a foot headroom. It
also has yellowy-green silk lining which gives a difficult colour cast.
Well, I've decided that Next Year I'm going to make a really large dragon
out of paper clay and call it either "Breaking out of the Case". Something
so large that they just can't get it into the case. They might even have
to put in on the grand piano in the drawing room! Is this mutiny?!?

Have a good time
Best wishes

Susie




--
Susie Thompson
If you can't stand the heat, don't tickle the dragon!
to email me, replace deadspam.com with susiethompson.co.uk


I really have seen nothing like your work here in the U.S. of A. It does
remind me of one of my favorite childhood treasures - a swan swimming in
flowers that was brought back to me from either England or Japan...
Probably England. The new set of pictures is delightful! Dare I ask your
price range and if you have ever shipped overseas? We actually keep teasing
ourselves with flying over to England some day. Could you tell me where the
shop is that has your pieces?

I was surprised to find the closetpotter back on line. Here is some of her
things.

http://flickr.com/photos/lindapahl/

Donna


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Old November 29th 06, 09:42 PM posted to rec.crafts.pottery
Susie
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Default Single firing Done!

In message , DKat
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I really have seen nothing like your work here in the U.S. of A. It does
remind me of one of my favorite childhood treasures - a swan swimming in
flowers that was brought back to me from either England or Japan...
Probably England. The new set of pictures is delightful! Dare I ask your
price range and if you have ever shipped overseas? We actually keep teasing
ourselves with flying over to England some day. Could you tell me where the
shop is that has your pieces?

I was surprised to find the closetpotter back on line. Here is some of her
things.

http://flickr.com/photos/lindapahl/

Hi Donna

Thanks for giving me the line to the closet potter. I really do like
some of her work. I'll go back and have another look later. Who's cat
No Two in your pictures? Shamu and ?!

Can you post a picture of your swan swimming in flowers - it sounds just
lovely. Maybe not the sort of thing that I'd start making, but
interesting. Thanks for all your kind comments about my work.

I have sent work over to the US. No, not one of the really big pieces,
but something the size of the tea party made it in one piece. I often
post the tiny things like the star struck mouse within the UK with no
problem. As for shipping the big pieces, that's something I haven't had
to work out, yet. Prices vary according to degree of difficulty and
size. I made a breakfast scene similar to the tea part for that last
exhibition. It was called "Sunshine Breakfast" and had mice sitting
round a toadstool, with daffodils for their cereal bowls and a box of
Kelloggs Cornflakes in the middle of the "table". That sold for UKP60 to
a local buyer. The little miniatures go from UKP10 upwards, plus
shipping costs. From there on the prices go up.

By the way, the Isle of Arran where we live is just off the coast of
West Scotland. I'm English - we moved up here from West Cornwall nearly
5 years ago. I'll send you some Arran links in a private reply so you
can what our island looks like.

Talk soon

Susie.


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If you can't stand the heat, don't tickle the dragon!
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