Mirjam - how are you?

I imagine the stress level is pretty high just now and wondered how
you were coping. During a time of holy days for many religions, it
seems especially sad that there's such discord in the world. Keep us
aware of your information about things in Israel, because it would be
interesting for those of us who mainly see basic 3 line articles in a
newspaper or a 30 sec. television news message and that's all the
information we might get without searching online. Moni

Lucretia

http://www.honestreporting.com/a/15seconds.asp

I haven`t seen you ever protest the Ongoing Rockets Shooting at
civilians , children , hospitals etc on our side of the border ,
http://www.honestreporting.com/a/15seconds.asp

Look at this and ask yourself How long YOU would have waited to stop
it ,
Please notice that the Egyptian Government and the Palestinian
President told the Hamas that they are to be balmaed because they were
warned warned and warned to stop sending rockets over Israel ,
mirjam

wrote in message
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Lucretia

http://www.honestreporting.com/a/15seconds.asp

I haven`t seen you ever protest the Ongoing Rockets Shooting at
civilians , children , hospitals etc on our side of the border ,
http://www.honestreporting.com/a/15seconds.asp

Look at this and ask yourself How long YOU would have waited to stop
it ,
Please notice that the Egyptian Government and the Palestinian
President told the Hamas that they are to be balmaed because they were
warned warned and warned to stop sending rockets over Israel ,
mirjam

On the other hand, what shocks most of us is the totally OTT response by
Israel. If two or three people in a town anywhere in the world get killed
the normal reaction isn`t to go and kill more than 300 indiscriminately!

All that`s going to do is produce even more terrorism and suicide bombings
all over the world (Like we had recently in Mumbai).

Pat

On 12/31/08 6:37 PM, "Pat P" wrote:


wrote in message
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Lucretia

http://www.honestreporting.com/a/15seconds.asp

I haven`t seen you ever protest the Ongoing Rockets Shooting at
civilians , children , hospitals etc on our side of the border ,
http://www.honestreporting.com/a/15seconds.asp

Look at this and ask yourself How long YOU would have waited to stop
it ,
Please notice that the Egyptian Government and the Palestinian
President told the Hamas that they are to be balmaed because they were
warned warned and warned to stop sending rockets over Israel ,
mirjam

On the other hand, what shocks most of us is the totally OTT response by
Israel. If two or three people in a town anywhere in the world get killed
the normal reaction isn`t to go and kill more than 300 indiscriminately!

All that`s going to do is produce even more terrorism and suicide bombings
all over the world (Like we had recently in Mumbai).

Pat

OTOH, most people in the world don't have such a huge set of groups set on
annihilating them. I think that sadly, minimal responses have proven to be
insignificant in effectiveness.

Ellice

On Jan 1, 8:51*am, ellice wrote:
On 12/31/08 6:37 PM, *"Pat P" wrote:





wrote in message
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Lucretia

http://www.honestreporting.com/a/15seconds.asp

I haven`t seen you ever protest the Ongoing Rockets Shooting at
civilians , children , hospitals etc on our side of the border ,
http://www.honestreporting.com/a/15seconds.asp

Look at this and ask yourself How long YOU would have waited to stop
it ,
Please notice that the Egyptian Government and the Palestinian
President told the Hamas that they are to be balmaed because they were
warned warned and warned to stop sending rockets over Israel ,
mirjam

On the other hand, what shocks most of us is the totally OTT response by
Israel. *If two or three people in a town *anywhere in the world get killed
the normal reaction isn`t to go and kill more than 300 indiscriminately!

All that`s going to do is produce even more terrorism and suicide bombings
all over the world (Like we had recently in Mumbai).

Pat

OTOH, most people in the world don't have such a huge set of groups set on
annihilating them. *I think that sadly, minimal responses have proven to be
insignificant in effectiveness.

And the overwhelming responses have somehow been more effective? I
don't think so: they haven't stopped the attacks and they've ruined
Israel's reputation among many who would otherwise have been
supporters.

Elizabeth

On Jan 1, 10:54*pm, wrote:
On Jan 1, 8:51*am, ellice wrote:





On 12/31/08 6:37 PM, *"Pat P" wrote:

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AS if you ever had a GOOD opinion about Israel , Never ONCE did i see
you have a good word for the many people who suffered in Isreal under
Terrorist attacks ,,
But i DO REMEMBER after 9/11 , how many of you almost 50 personal
Emails from Readers , both active and Lurkers from this NG alone]
asked me , how to deal with Terror in one`s own country? , how to
explain it to children , Than when Usa entered Iraq , how many of you
were rude about the Iraquies , how many Here wrote that one must Nuke
the Afghanis , Nuke the Iraquis etc,,,,
There comes a point in a Person`s life , or a nation`s life , when
they have to put a stop to be harrased , trrorized etc,

3 years ago Azza was given to the Palestinian Authority , Hot houses
were left intact , so argriculture could be used to provide local
vegetables in modern systems , + exporting to Europe. Factories were
already built on the International Border , so that people from both
side could work together , Loads of money was poured in .

Palestinians fought amongst themselves , Hot houses were Ruined ,
Factories that provided work to Azza people were bombed by Palestian
Hamas , several times .
Suicide bombers were entering Israel Hence Border checkpoints were a
must .
{ Isn`t USA checking people who Enter it`s borders ????, Don`t people
who enter USA go through a security check , need a visa , Is USA
allowed to stop certain people from entering it`s border ?

The hard truth is that To You Elizabeth , it is ok as long as a Jew
gets killed , but a jew deffending himself is to you unthinkable ,,
mirjam

On 1/1/09 3:54 PM, " wrote:

On Jan 1, 8:51*am, ellice wrote:
On 12/31/08 6:37 PM, *"Pat P" wrote:





wrote in message
...

Lucretia

http://www.honestreporting.com/a/15seconds.asp

I haven`t seen you ever protest the Ongoing Rockets Shooting at
civilians , children , hospitals etc on our side of the border ,
http://www.honestreporting.com/a/15seconds.asp

Look at this and ask yourself How long YOU would have waited to stop
it ,
Please notice that the Egyptian Government and the Palestinian
President told the Hamas that they are to be balmaed because they were
warned warned and warned to stop sending rockets over Israel ,
mirjam

On the other hand, what shocks most of us is the totally OTT response by
Israel. *If two or three people in a town *anywhere in the world get killed
the normal reaction isn`t to go and kill more than 300 indiscriminately!

All that`s going to do is produce even more terrorism and suicide bombings
all over the world (Like we had recently in Mumbai).

Pat

OTOH, most people in the world don't have such a huge set of groups set on
annihilating them. *I think that sadly, minimal responses have proven to be
insignificant in effectiveness.

And the overwhelming responses have somehow been more effective? I
don't think so: they haven't stopped the attacks and they've ruined
Israel's reputation among many who would otherwise have been
supporters.

Elizabeth

It's a sad situation regardless. If you respond in kind, it doesn't matter.
If you are peaceful, well, what did that get? So, there isa school of
thought that supports the hefty response - not saying it's my idea
personally. And. Lets be realistic - a lot of the world just doesn't really
care except when something graphically horrible pops up on the media. Why
would groups that support suicide bombings, and preach the annihilation of a
people be stopped with modest responses? If they are so committed as to
suicide bombings killing their own people, then ....

If nothing else, the overwhelming response is forcing people and the world
to take a look again. Those that have sat on the fence, especially the
politely anti-semitic posture - wouldn't support Israel before, and won't
now. It's vicious cycle, to be trite, with no easy answers.

Ellice

or if that is too long
http://tinyurl.com/9gypuf

I'm assuming you misunderstood what I was saying since you seem to
think I cannot follow a long link! I'm actually a news junkie and am
very connected via satellite tv, the internet and tons of periodicals.

What I was asking Mirjam for was a personal point of view from someone
more involved than anyone else on this board. My daughter spent a
month in Israel this summer and is very concerned about the country
during this trouble.

From my research, Hamas seems to have fired the first missiles, but
either way, it is a sad situation. Moni

On Dec 30, 12:01*pm, Walker Family wrote:


What I was asking Mirjam for was a personal point of view from someone
more involved than anyone else on this board. *My daughter spent a
month in Israel this summer and is very concerned about the country
during this trouble.

Is there any reason not to have asked her by email? I can't imagine
that you didn't know that the topic would stir up tempers here.

Elizabeth

Walker Family wrote:
or if that is too long
http://tinyurl.com/9gypuf

I'm assuming you misunderstood what I was saying since you seem to
think I cannot follow a long link!
snip

I think you misunderstood her reason for posting the tinyurl. Various
newsreaders handle long URLs differently. Some break them up, making them
'unclickable'. In such cases you'd have to copy and paste the bits and
pieces into your browser. Providing a tinyurl alternative is a courtesy.
--
Jeri
"You can complain because roses have thorns, or you can rejoice because
thorns have roses." ~Ziggy~