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Puppen Fimo & Fimo
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Does anyone have any experience with Puppen Fimo? And if so, can you tell me it's characteristics ... say as compared to Fimo Soft or Fimo Classic or even Prosculpt? I checked the GlassAttic but there wasn't much info that I could find on this clay. Thanks Rachel |
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Does anyone have any experience with Puppen Fimo?
I used it about ten years ago. Its basically Classic Fimo Flesh colored, but a little stronger and it came in a larger brick. Its nice enough, but rather more opaque than I like--I mix in translucent for a waxier flesh---more like Cernit. Very firm, not as heat sensitive as cernit and premo. Sarajane Sarajane's Polymer Clay Gallery http://www.polyclay.com |
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I would say that it is currently more like Fimo Soft
than Classic Fimo, as it can be used straight from the package. No matter how nice and soft, clay should still be conditioned before use. This aligns the molecules (you can actually see it with the mica bearing clays like premo gold--its part of the basis of the mica shift techniques). When the molecules are aligned, the clay is much stronger after baking than it would otherwise be. You can test this by making two strips, band-aid sized, about 1/8 inch thick. Make one from conditioned clay, one straight out of the block, bake and flex when cooled. Sarajane Sarajane's Polymer Clay Gallery http://www.polyclay.com |
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atspam (Sjpolyclay) wrote in
: I would say that it is currently more like Fimo Soft than Classic Fimo, as it can be used straight from the package. No matter how nice and soft, clay should still be conditioned before use. This aligns the molecules (you can actually see it with the mica bearing clays like premo gold--its part of the basis of the mica shift techniques). When the molecules are aligned, the clay is much stronger after baking than it would otherwise be. You can test this by making two strips, band-aid sized, about 1/8 inch thick. Make one from conditioned clay, one straight out of the block, bake and flex when cooled. Sarajane Well, I do "mush" it around, to redistribute the softener, until I get a soft and even clay (10 sec to 1 min, depending on the amount of clay). By "straight from the package" I mean that it doesn't need any major conditioning, like Fimo Classic needs. But are you sure conditioning actually aligns the molecules, and that the clay needs this alignment to be strong? Mica is waaay bigger than molecules (in general), so they are much more easily aligned by running the clay through a pasta machine, but are polymers big enough for this? The reason I ask is, that if the molecules would have to be aligned, then the conditioning would need to be in a way that aligns it, and the clay used in a way that doesn't un-align them. I usually do use a pasta machine, especially if I'm mixing colors, but for me conditioning and using the clay does generally include a lot of "mushing". I had understood that just redistributing the softener and other "stuff" in the clay until it feels soft and even would be enough. -- //Christina Hellström http://www.geocities.com/chellstr/ (Remove stuffing to reply) |
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Christina,
How do you like the color of Puppen. I've heard it's too "pink" and have you tried Prosculpt. If so, what do you think of that compared to Puppen? I haven't tried Puppen yet but out of all the clays I've used, Prosculpt is best for sculpting but I don't like it's color. I am trying to get away from having to blend a clay before using it. I love Fimo soft's color after baking (doll pink). It's quite translucent but it's soooo soft, makes sculpting difficult. -Every touch is a new mark to smooth. Cernit's color was even better but I do not like working with it. Can't get rid of seams and takes a long time to condition. Prosculpt can be used straight from the package basically, like Fimo soft (granted, we all condition any clay a little) but these two clays all it takes is a little, literally. Rachel I use Puppen Fimo, and think it is the best "straight from the package" clay for making doll parts that I have used (although I haven't yet tried everything available). I would say that it is currently more like Fimo Soft than Classic Fimo, as it can be used straight from the package. It is firmer than Fimo Soft, not as sticky as it has more of a chalkier feel to it, and the smoothing abilities (getting rid of a seam, I mean) is even better than for Fimo Soft. Overall, I love Puppen Fimo. It is not the ultimate doll clay, but it is by far the best I have used. |
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But are you sure conditioning actually aligns the molecules, and that the
clay needs this alignment to be strong? Mica is waaay bigger than molecules (in general), Mica IS bigger, which makes it nicely visible to the non-believers that this could be happening. But it really does. Polymers are long chains of molecules, and Judith Skinner demonstrated to my skeptical self at our retreat this year that it really does make a difference to align them. She swears there is an "grain" to sheets of clay, similar to fabric and wood, and it really does make a small but noticeable strength difference. I'm a believer now! If you are going for long term art, then this is important--if you just want something for now, then its not a big deal. Sarajane Sarajane's Polymer Clay Gallery http://www.polyclay.com |
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Prosculpt
can be used straight from the package basically, like Fimo soft (granted, we all condition any clay a little) but these two clays all it takes is a little, literally. I think we should be very careful about saying "used straight from the package" when we actually mean "condition any clay a little" because newbies don't know the secret second part of the statement--and all of us are emmisaries of this information we are spreading. Lets not keep the important parts unsaid. After all--WE want the straight scoop too, right? Sarajane Sarajane's Polymer Clay Gallery http://www.polyclay.com |
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atspam (Sjpolyclay) wrote in
: But are you sure conditioning actually aligns the molecules, and that the clay needs this alignment to be strong? Mica is waaay bigger than molecules (in general), Mica IS bigger, which makes it nicely visible to the non-believers that this could be happening. But it really does. Polymers are long chains of molecules, and Judith Skinner demonstrated to my skeptical self at our retreat this year that it really does make a difference to align them. She swears there is an "grain" to sheets of clay, similar to fabric and wood, and it really does make a small but noticeable strength difference. I'm a believer now! If you are going for long term art, then this is important--if you just want something for now, then its not a big deal. Sarajane Well, I'm still sceptic, but I take your word for it. I don't really work that much with sheets of clay, as I do mostly sculptures. On the other hand, since there aren't really any thin non-supported parts, I suppose a slightly added strength doesn't matter that much. I'll have to experiment. -- //Christina Hellström http://www.geocities.com/chellstr/ (Remove stuffing to reply) |
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(Rachel) wrote in
om: Christina, How do you like the color of Puppen. I've heard it's too "pink" and The color is perhaps a bit on the pink side, but it's ok with me. Some translucency would be nice, so I'm going to try the added translucent clay trick, that sounded really good. have you tried Prosculpt. If so, what do you think of that compared to Puppen? I haven't tried Puppen yet but out of all the clays I've used, Prosculpt is best for sculpting but I don't like it's color. I am trying to get away from having to blend a clay before using it. I love Fimo soft's color after baking (doll pink). It's quite translucent but it's soooo soft, makes sculpting difficult. -Every touch is a new mark to smooth. No, I haven't tried Prosculpt, although I have thought about ordering some (and just a couple of mr Johnston's books , it does sound like a nice clay. In what way is the color wrong? I haven't tried the doll pink Fimo Soft, so I can't compare. Puppen Fimo could be a bit firmer for my taste, but it is firm enough for me not to mess everything else while working on some part. For non-flesh tone sculptures I usually mix Fimo Soft and Classic to get a firmness to my liking, but it is just soooo nice to be able to just take a lump of clay from the package and start working with it. And, it's available here locally, which is very nice and convenient. Cernit's color was even better but I do not like working with it. Can't get rid of seams and takes a long time to condition. Ditto, ditto & ditto. -- //Christina Hellström http://www.geocities.com/chellstr/ (Remove stuffing to reply) |
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