OT Underwear and clothes and frustration with clients

A lass wanted me to make her a dress. After much conversation that was
about the equivalent of beating my head against a wall, I said no.
She just would not understand that certain period gowns simply cannot be
worn without the accompanying undergarments. Sure I could redesign the
thing so that it could be worn without them, but she does not want me to
do that. It would change the silhouette of the garment to the point that
it might as well be another dress entirely. For those that know, it is
one of those barely pre-edwardian lacy confections that is supposed to go
over an S Curve corset and bum pad. I don't blame her for not wanting to
wear the corset. The S Curve was _supposed_ to be healthier, but mostly
just destroyed your posture as well as crushing your ribs and smooshing
your bosom. However, without the corset and bum pad the only person who
could wear the dress would be a skinny girl with scoliosis.
Not taking on this headache, and I don't know of anybody else who will.

Now I have to go and put the finishing touches on the embroidered velvet
corset made to show off the corset piercing in somebody's back. Making
fetishwear is always a lot of fun, and I actually like doing burnout
embroidery on velvet.

NightMist
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I'm raising a developmentally disabled child. What's your superpower?

LOL and good GOOD for you, NM. I have been a skinny girl with scoliosis and
if my figure and condition come back, I'll call on you.
Meanwhile . . . saying "no" doesn't come easily for me but I have done
it. When somebody says, "We'll let you do the curtains"
I softly say, " I don't do curtains".
They're always surprised and I can see their eyes glaze over as they
search their heads for another victim.
So. Tell us about your technique for doing burnout. I've seen some but
never ventured in. Polly


"NightMist"
A lass wanted me to make her a dress. After much conversation that was
about the equivalent of beating my head against a wall, I said no.
She just would not understand that certain period gowns simply cannot be
worn without the accompanying undergarments. Sure I could redesign the
thing so that it could be worn without them, but she does not want me to
do that. It would change the silhouette of the garment to the point that
it might as well be another dress entirely. For those that know, it is
one of those barely pre-edwardian lacy confections that is supposed to go
over an S Curve corset and bum pad. I don't blame her for not wanting to
wear the corset. The S Curve was _supposed_ to be healthier, but mostly
just destroyed your posture as well as crushing your ribs and smooshing
your bosom. However, without the corset and bum pad the only person who
could wear the dress would be a skinny girl with scoliosis.
Not taking on this headache, and I don't know of anybody else who will.

Now I have to go and put the finishing touches on the embroidered velvet
corset made to show off the corset piercing in somebody's back. Making
fetishwear is always a lot of fun, and I actually like doing burnout
embroidery on velvet.

NightMist
--
I'm raising a developmentally disabled child. What's your superpower?

I love stories that end with "...and then I said no. Because I didn't
want pain and suffering to rain down on my head." I just love that
assertive stuff. And I want to see pics of the corset once the girl is
wearing it. At least I assume it's a girl. I have seen those corset
piercings. OMG that looks painful. But whatever floats your boat. And
it does look .... exotic.

Sunny
expecting photos.

There's a good reason we aren't all still wearing those clothes! But
what do the actors in period films wear? Bum pad without corset?
That's probably more what she had in mind.

I have to ask -what does a corset piercing involve?
Roberta in D, leading a sheltered life

On Fri, 06 Aug 2010 03:50:21 +0000, NightMist
wrote:


A lass wanted me to make her a dress. After much conversation that was
about the equivalent of beating my head against a wall, I said no.
She just would not understand that certain period gowns simply cannot be
worn without the accompanying undergarments. Sure I could redesign the
thing so that it could be worn without them, but she does not want me to
do that. It would change the silhouette of the garment to the point that
it might as well be another dress entirely. For those that know, it is
one of those barely pre-edwardian lacy confections that is supposed to go
over an S Curve corset and bum pad. I don't blame her for not wanting to
wear the corset. The S Curve was _supposed_ to be healthier, but mostly
just destroyed your posture as well as crushing your ribs and smooshing
your bosom. However, without the corset and bum pad the only person who
could wear the dress would be a skinny girl with scoliosis.
Not taking on this headache, and I don't know of anybody else who will.

Now I have to go and put the finishing touches on the embroidered velvet
corset made to show off the corset piercing in somebody's back. Making
fetishwear is always a lot of fun, and I actually like doing burnout
embroidery on velvet.

NightMist

If you are really up for it -- just do a Google Images search for corset
piercing.

Basically you have 2 parallel vertical columns of piercings -- with rings
that you then lace up like a corset. Picture a back (or a side or even a
chest) with about 8 pairs of little pierced rings an inch or two apart
vertically -- about 4-6 inches apart width-wise.

Sounds painful to me!

--
Kate in MI
http://community.webshots.com/user/K_Groves



"Roberta" Roberta@Home wrote in message
...
There's a good reason we aren't all still wearing those clothes! But
what do the actors in period films wear? Bum pad without corset?
That's probably more what she had in mind.

I have to ask -what does a corset piercing involve?
Roberta in D, leading a sheltered life

On Fri, 06 Aug 2010 03:50:21 +0000, NightMist
wrote:


A lass wanted me to make her a dress. After much conversation that was
about the equivalent of beating my head against a wall, I said no.
She just would not understand that certain period gowns simply cannot be
worn without the accompanying undergarments. Sure I could redesign the
thing so that it could be worn without them, but she does not want me to
do that. It would change the silhouette of the garment to the point that
it might as well be another dress entirely. For those that know, it is
one of those barely pre-edwardian lacy confections that is supposed to go
over an S Curve corset and bum pad. I don't blame her for not wanting to
wear the corset. The S Curve was _supposed_ to be healthier, but mostly
just destroyed your posture as well as crushing your ribs and smooshing
your bosom. However, without the corset and bum pad the only person who
could wear the dress would be a skinny girl with scoliosis.
Not taking on this headache, and I don't know of anybody else who will.

Now I have to go and put the finishing touches on the embroidered velvet
corset made to show off the corset piercing in somebody's back. Making
fetishwear is always a lot of fun, and I actually like doing burnout
embroidery on velvet.

NightMist

On Thu, 05 Aug 2010 23:37:46 -0500, Polly Esther wrote:

LOL and good GOOD for you, NM. I have been a skinny girl with scoliosis
and if my figure and condition come back, I'll call on you.
Meanwhile . . . saying "no" doesn't come easily for me but I have
done
it. When somebody says, "We'll let you do the curtains"
I softly say, " I don't do curtains". They're always surprised and I
can see their eyes glaze over as they
search their heads for another victim.
So. Tell us about your technique for doing burnout. I've seen some
but
never ventured in. Polly

You were Gibson Girl?
Wow!
http://en.wikivisual.com/index.php/Gibson_girl

That posture is not affected, it is forced by her corset. Some ladies had
even more extreme curves to their posture.
If you had been out and about socially in that day and age, your
uncorrected figure would have been the height of fashion.
Think of it, Polly the titian haired temptress who could make it through
a whole dance without swooning.

I generally used silk-rayon velvet and a chemical burnout. The order in
which I do things varies according to the project. I consider optimal
something that I can fully assemble the shell of and then burnout. It is
fussy compared to doing it before assembly, but sometimes the results are
a lot better especially if you are dealing with something with a lot of
seams. Less matching and less swearing.
Beyond that I pay close attention to grain and draw the design on with
water soluble markers, this is iffy and I always use the lightest colors
I can still see. You never know how permanent something like markers are
going to be on silk, and you do want to apply it to the silk side (more
later on seams) If it is a very complex design I might use a stencil.
Very often I will apply a resist to the outside of the pattern. Then I
will use any of a number of squeeter bottle tips to apply the chemical to
the fabric. Usually a straight from the bottle through a sized and
sometimes shaped tip is easier than using a brush, though a brush has
it's place if you need to cover a largish spot. I have talked to people
who use plastic pastry bags for putting the chemicals on. I can see the
allure of using the disposable bags, but so far I am happy with plastic
boston bottles, and sometimes even gutta bottles for silk painting if
there are fine lines involved. You do not need to soak the fabric if you
work from the silk side. Just burning away the anchor points of the pile
is all that is needed, so a thin coat is perfectly adequate.
When sewing velvet I tend to french seams. So I will follow the pattern
on both sides of the seam right over each side of it with the chemical,
if the pattern passes over a place where seams join, I might direct a
little chemical into the join from the pile side, but only if I deem it
truly necessary.
After it all has dried it is just a matter of ironing the chemical until
it is a nice toast shade, and then bagging and washing the item. The
treated pile will wash off, and you are ready to dye or embroider.

You do want to clean your iron afterwards.
You do want to work on all parts of this process in a well ventilated
area, free of pets and children.
You do want to wear gloves when applying the chemical, and goggles when
you are ironing.
The still wet chemical can burn your skin, and the fumes when you iron it
can irritate your eyes sometimes very badly.

NightMist

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I'm raising a developmentally disabled child. What's your superpower?

On Thu, 05 Aug 2010 23:17:53 -0700, Sunny wrote:

I love stories that end with "...and then I said no. Because I didn't
want pain and suffering to rain down on my head." I just love that
assertive stuff. And I want to see pics of the corset once the girl is
wearing it. At least I assume it's a girl. I have seen those corset
piercings. OMG that looks painful. But whatever floats your boat. And it
does look .... exotic.

Sunny
expecting photos.

It is a girl, though if it comes out nicely her fella may want one to
match. He is thinking about it.

Alas, I absolutely do not share pics of clients in fetish dress.
I do not even keep a portfolio at the moment.
I would love to, and in fact I used to, but it is just too dangerous to
home and hearth in this day and age. The variance between should, legal,
and is, is rather largish still, and I would just as soon avoid pushing
the boundaries there right now.

I do well enough by word of mouth.
It is not so much the making of the things that is an issue, but having
the pictures at the same time that you have children. Stupid, but there
you go.

NightMist



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I'm raising a developmentally disabled child. What's your superpower?

NightMist, I was subscribing to a 'fabric play of the month' and got a
bottle of burnout. I never played with it -- seemed too complicated.
The instructions said to use 100% nylon thread and satin stitch around
the area to be burned out. The chemical won't affect the nylon thread
so it acts as a resist. Is this the same thing you use? What do you
use for resists?

Sunny

Okay, stupidity and Dark Ages mentality still reign, clearly. I
completely understand the issue of not having fetish photos in a
household with children. Good grief. It's a sad world we live in.
Well, if your client puts her photos on Face Book (and I betcha dimes
to donuts she will) tell her I'd love to see your work.

Sunny

On Fri, 06 Aug 2010 16:24:55 -0700, Sunny wrote:

NightMist, I was subscribing to a 'fabric play of the month' and got a
bottle of burnout. I never played with it -- seemed too complicated. The
instructions said to use 100% nylon thread and satin stitch around the
area to be burned out. The chemical won't affect the nylon thread so it
acts as a resist. Is this the same thing you use? What do you use for
resists?

Mostly I use Jaquard water based resist, which I keep by the quart for
various and sundry purposes. Once and I while I live dangerously and use
Inkodye, which is not much more than cassava paste. Both wash out easily.
I figure if the burnout is eating the resist it is not eating the fabric,
so far I've been right. Truthfully most people I have talked to don't
use a resist or if they do it is inadvertent, for example using a freezer
paper stencil. IME the biggest danger is not the chemical migrating
through the fabric, it is me getting sloppy with it. Though it is
amazing how neat a person can get when working with something that can
burn them.
If I mangle a bit I may end up doing the project over again, but I always
find a creative way to repair the damage. Add a little embroidery,
expand the pattern, sneak some colored water soluble gutta in and call it
a highlight. I have doubled my money on pay projects more than once by
creative repair, though thankfully not all that often! When the client
wants what she wants, but also wants what I "got carried away" on.

NightMist

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I'm raising a developmentally disabled child. What's your superpower?