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Old August 23rd 04, 04:33 AM
Diana Curtis
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Default Popular Misconception *a rant about group policy*

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We all talk about this group as if it is a cyber quilting bee. It isnt. It
is a quilting lesson, ongoing and dynamic. They are lessons we each pay for.
Some pay more, some pay less, but dang it, we all pay to be here.
Picture having a quilting lesson at your local quilt store where every so
often a person pops into the class room and advertises something,
interupting the lessons you paid for. You'd be right to be upset. It could
be your best friend in the world, offering to quilt for you, or a total
stranger offering a better way of living thru pills or what have you. Its
the same thing, an interuption.
But what about OT posts, you ask. Arent they an interruption as well? Yes,
when we forget to mark them as being off topic, to the paying subscriber to
this group, they are, for some, an unwanted interruption of what they pay to
come here for. Quilt lessons. When we do remember to use the OT in the
header it is as if we have excused ourselves to the little room over there
with the coffee urn and the nummy desserts where we wont be interupting the
other quilters with our chatter.
We all have the right to be here. We have the right to a newsgroup that
the majority will find useful and fun. Along with those rights comes a
serious responsibilty to police ourselves and our own posts. If we decide as
a group to allow people to post ads where do we draw the line? Who gets to
post ads and how many and how often is offensive? Do we get to pick on
people who are obviously not regular posters? Who is going to police such a
wishy washy policy?
Does it make more sense to make a blanket policy that advertisments are to
go to rec.crafts.textiles.marketplace? That is what it is for.
Rant mode over, back to quilting
Diana


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  #2  
Old August 23rd 04, 04:54 AM
KJ
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Is it considered advertising if someone is looking for a certain fabric and
Paul from Equilter gives a link to it??
I've never thought of that as such. His posts are never unsolicited...they
are in response to an inquiry. I haven't been here very long, so I may have
the wrong slant on things.
Back to the Olympics.

"Diana Curtis" wrote in message
...
.
We all talk about this group as if it is a cyber quilting bee. It isnt. It
is a quilting lesson, ongoing and dynamic. They are lessons we each pay

for.
Some pay more, some pay less, but dang it, we all pay to be here.
Picture having a quilting lesson at your local quilt store where every

so
often a person pops into the class room and advertises something,
interupting the lessons you paid for. You'd be right to be upset. It could
be your best friend in the world, offering to quilt for you, or a total
stranger offering a better way of living thru pills or what have you. Its
the same thing, an interuption.
But what about OT posts, you ask. Arent they an interruption as well?

Yes,
when we forget to mark them as being off topic, to the paying subscriber

to
this group, they are, for some, an unwanted interruption of what they pay

to
come here for. Quilt lessons. When we do remember to use the OT in the
header it is as if we have excused ourselves to the little room over there
with the coffee urn and the nummy desserts where we wont be interupting

the
other quilters with our chatter.
We all have the right to be here. We have the right to a newsgroup that
the majority will find useful and fun. Along with those rights comes a
serious responsibilty to police ourselves and our own posts. If we decide

as
a group to allow people to post ads where do we draw the line? Who gets to
post ads and how many and how often is offensive? Do we get to pick on
people who are obviously not regular posters? Who is going to police such

a
wishy washy policy?
Does it make more sense to make a blanket policy that advertisments are

to
go to rec.crafts.textiles.marketplace? That is what it is for.
Rant mode over, back to quilting
Diana




  #3  
Old August 23rd 04, 01:01 PM
Diana Curtis
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Do *you* consider it advertising? Thats the point of my rant. We cant stop
people from posting. We can only set standards and ask people to hold
themselves to them. Each of us is responsible only for our own actions, so I
am asking us to each consider our posts in terms of the Quilt Lesson
analogy.
Diana

"KJ" wrote in message
news:rTdWc.214825$eM2.47152@attbi_s51...
Is it considered advertising if someone is looking for a certain fabric

and
Paul from Equilter gives a link to it??
I've never thought of that as such. His posts are never

unsolicited...they
are in response to an inquiry. I haven't been here very long, so I may

have
the wrong slant on things.
Back to the Olympics.

"Diana Curtis" wrote in message
...
.
We all talk about this group as if it is a cyber quilting bee. It isnt.

It
is a quilting lesson, ongoing and dynamic. They are lessons we each pay

for.
Some pay more, some pay less, but dang it, we all pay to be here.
Picture having a quilting lesson at your local quilt store where every

so
often a person pops into the class room and advertises something,
interupting the lessons you paid for. You'd be right to be upset. It

could
be your best friend in the world, offering to quilt for you, or a total
stranger offering a better way of living thru pills or what have you.

Its
the same thing, an interuption.
But what about OT posts, you ask. Arent they an interruption as well?

Yes,
when we forget to mark them as being off topic, to the paying subscriber

to
this group, they are, for some, an unwanted interruption of what they

pay
to
come here for. Quilt lessons. When we do remember to use the OT in the
header it is as if we have excused ourselves to the little room over

there
with the coffee urn and the nummy desserts where we wont be interupting

the
other quilters with our chatter.
We all have the right to be here. We have the right to a newsgroup

that
the majority will find useful and fun. Along with those rights comes a
serious responsibilty to police ourselves and our own posts. If we

decide
as
a group to allow people to post ads where do we draw the line? Who gets

to
post ads and how many and how often is offensive? Do we get to pick on
people who are obviously not regular posters? Who is going to police

such
a
wishy washy policy?
Does it make more sense to make a blanket policy that advertisments

are
to
go to rec.crafts.textiles.marketplace? That is what it is for.
Rant mode over, back to quilting
Diana






  #4  
Old August 23rd 04, 01:25 PM
KJ
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No, just helpful. I see your point.
"Diana Curtis" wrote in message
...
Do *you* consider it advertising? Thats the point of my rant. We cant stop
people from posting. We can only set standards and ask people to hold
themselves to them. Each of us is responsible only for our own actions, so

I
am asking us to each consider our posts in terms of the Quilt Lesson
analogy.
Diana

"KJ" wrote in message
news:rTdWc.214825$eM2.47152@attbi_s51...
Is it considered advertising if someone is looking for a certain fabric

and
Paul from Equilter gives a link to it??
I've never thought of that as such. His posts are never

unsolicited...they
are in response to an inquiry. I haven't been here very long, so I may

have
the wrong slant on things.
Back to the Olympics.

"Diana Curtis" wrote in message
...
.
We all talk about this group as if it is a cyber quilting bee. It

isnt.
It
is a quilting lesson, ongoing and dynamic. They are lessons we each

pay
for.
Some pay more, some pay less, but dang it, we all pay to be here.
Picture having a quilting lesson at your local quilt store where

every
so
often a person pops into the class room and advertises something,
interupting the lessons you paid for. You'd be right to be upset. It

could
be your best friend in the world, offering to quilt for you, or a

total
stranger offering a better way of living thru pills or what have you.

Its
the same thing, an interuption.
But what about OT posts, you ask. Arent they an interruption as

well?
Yes,
when we forget to mark them as being off topic, to the paying

subscriber
to
this group, they are, for some, an unwanted interruption of what they

pay
to
come here for. Quilt lessons. When we do remember to use the OT in the
header it is as if we have excused ourselves to the little room over

there
with the coffee urn and the nummy desserts where we wont be

interupting
the
other quilters with our chatter.
We all have the right to be here. We have the right to a newsgroup

that
the majority will find useful and fun. Along with those rights comes a
serious responsibilty to police ourselves and our own posts. If we

decide
as
a group to allow people to post ads where do we draw the line? Who

gets
to
post ads and how many and how often is offensive? Do we get to pick on
people who are obviously not regular posters? Who is going to police

such
a
wishy washy policy?
Does it make more sense to make a blanket policy that advertisments

are
to
go to rec.crafts.textiles.marketplace? That is what it is for.
Rant mode over, back to quilting
Diana








  #5  
Old August 23rd 04, 04:47 PM
Debbie
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We all talk about this group as if it is a cyber quilting bee. It isnt. It
is a quilting lesson, ongoing and dynamic. They are lessons we each pay for.
Some pay more, some pay less, but dang it, we all pay to be here.


Rant, ad nauseum, snipped to save space.

Some people just can't let things go can they? Since I'm the offending party,
I'll just leave. This continuous whining on the subject has become offensive
in itself and has taken up far more time and space than my simple "I do that"
post. Good bye & happy quilting.

  #6  
Old August 23rd 04, 05:06 PM
Diana Curtis
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My rant was not directed at any specific person. It was aimed at everyone
who reads or posts to this group. I'm sorry you feel you were singled out.
Why you feel that way is not something I understand.
Diana

"Debbie" wrote in message
...
We all talk about this group as if it is a cyber quilting bee. It isnt.

It
is a quilting lesson, ongoing and dynamic. They are lessons we each pay

for.
Some pay more, some pay less, but dang it, we all pay to be here.


Rant, ad nauseum, snipped to save space.

Some people just can't let things go can they? Since I'm the offending

party,
I'll just leave. This continuous whining on the subject has become

offensive
in itself and has taken up far more time and space than my simple "I do

that"
post. Good bye & happy quilting.



  #7  
Old August 23rd 04, 05:08 PM
Diana Curtis
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Only you can decide if that is a reasonable interuption to your quilt
lesson. For me, trying to pay attention to the teachers, it would be
unwelcome. That might not be true for others.
Diana

"Jan" wrote in message
news
But is it a person popping in to the classroom or a person sitting
around the frame answering a question asked? If it's quilting related
and no prices mentioned or sales pitch made, perhaps it isn't an
interruption, but a nice addition to the conversation, another nugget of
knowledge and a celebration waiting to happen.

What constitutes adverstising in my mind is a price or a specific
service pitched. Not just saying I do that.... because then all of us
stay at home moms, or other crafters saying I do that.... are
advertising.

Jan

"Diana Curtis" wrote in
:

.
We all talk about this group as if it is a cyber quilting bee. It
isnt. It is a quilting lesson, ongoing and dynamic. They are lessons
we each pay for. Some pay more, some pay less, but dang it, we all
pay to be here.
Picture having a quilting lesson at your local quilt store where
every so
often a person pops into the class room and advertises something,
interupting the lessons you paid for. You'd be right to be upset. It
could be your best friend in the world, offering to quilt for you, or
a total stranger offering a better way of living thru pills or what
have you. Its the same thing, an interuption.
But what about OT posts, you ask. Arent they an interruption as
well? Yes,
when we forget to mark them as being off topic, to the paying
subscriber to this group, they are, for some, an unwanted interruption
of what they pay to come here for. Quilt lessons. When we do remember
to use the OT in the header it is as if we have excused ourselves to
the little room over there with the coffee urn and the nummy desserts
where we wont be interupting the other quilters with our chatter.
We all have the right to be here. We have the right to a newsgroup
that
the majority will find useful and fun. Along with those rights comes a
serious responsibilty to police ourselves and our own posts. If we
decide as a group to allow people to post ads where do we draw the
line? Who gets to post ads and how many and how often is offensive? Do
we get to pick on people who are obviously not regular posters? Who is
going to police such a wishy washy policy?
Does it make more sense to make a blanket policy that advertisments
are to
go to rec.crafts.textiles.marketplace? That is what it is for.
Rant mode over, back to quilting
Diana





  #8  
Old August 23rd 04, 05:20 PM
Ellison
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Howdy!
My mom would smack me even now for flouncing out of the
room. We are a non-flouncing family; we stand our ground
and listen to both sides of the issue, or all 7 sides, whatever,
and we even do some yelling to be heard.
But we do not flounce off in a huff.

Maybe Debbie will finish even more quilts now without RCTQ
to interrupt her. I hope she comes back to show them off.
I hope she comes back to enjoy the neighborhood.

Ragmop/Sandy -- liberal who also doesn't beg anyone to stay around,
having grown past that in the 3rd grade ;-D

"Debbie" wrote in message
...
We all talk about this group as if it is a cyber quilting bee. It isnt.

It
is a quilting lesson, ongoing and dynamic. They are lessons we each pay

for.
Some pay more, some pay less, but dang it, we all pay to be here.


Rant, ad nauseum, snipped to save space.

Some people just can't let things go can they? Since I'm the offending

party,
I'll just leave. This continuous whining on the subject has become

offensive
in itself and has taken up far more time and space than my simple "I do

that"
post. Good bye & happy quilting.



  #9  
Old August 23rd 04, 05:23 PM
Diana Curtis
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I pay to learn how to quilt better. To get quilting advice. To get
inspiration and techinical advice about quilting. I also pay for the
friendship and fun chat.
So, what does everyone else come here for?
Diana

"Jan" wrote in message
link.net...
Maybe it's because it ISN'T a class.


"Diana Curtis" wrote in
:

Only you can decide if that is a reasonable interuption to your quilt
lesson. For me, trying to pay attention to the teachers, it would be
unwelcome. That might not be true for others.
Diana

"Jan" wrote in message
news
But is it a person popping in to the classroom or a person sitting
around the frame answering a question asked? If it's quilting

related
and no prices mentioned or sales pitch made, perhaps it isn't an
interruption, but a nice addition to the conversation, another nugget

of
knowledge and a celebration waiting to happen.

What constitutes adverstising in my mind is a price or a specific
service pitched. Not just saying I do that.... because then all of

us
stay at home moms, or other crafters saying I do that.... are
advertising.

Jan

"Diana Curtis" wrote in
:

.
We all talk about this group as if it is a cyber quilting bee. It
isnt. It is a quilting lesson, ongoing and dynamic. They are

lessons
we each pay for. Some pay more, some pay less, but dang it, we all
pay to be here.
Picture having a quilting lesson at your local quilt store where
every so
often a person pops into the class room and advertises something,
interupting the lessons you paid for. You'd be right to be upset.

It
could be your best friend in the world, offering to quilt for you,

or
a total stranger offering a better way of living thru pills or what
have you. Its the same thing, an interuption.
But what about OT posts, you ask. Arent they an interruption as
well? Yes,
when we forget to mark them as being off topic, to the paying
subscriber to this group, they are, for some, an unwanted

interruption
of what they pay to come here for. Quilt lessons. When we do

remember
to use the OT in the header it is as if we have excused ourselves

to
the little room over there with the coffee urn and the nummy

desserts
where we wont be interupting the other quilters with our chatter.
We all have the right to be here. We have the right to a

newsgroup
that
the majority will find useful and fun. Along with those rights

comes a
serious responsibilty to police ourselves and our own posts. If we
decide as a group to allow people to post ads where do we draw the
line? Who gets to post ads and how many and how often is offensive?

Do
we get to pick on people who are obviously not regular posters? Who

is
going to police such a wishy washy policy?
Does it make more sense to make a blanket policy that

advertisments
are to
go to rec.crafts.textiles.marketplace? That is what it is for.
Rant mode over, back to quilting
Diana








  #10  
Old August 23rd 04, 05:28 PM
maryd
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Marking this thread OT because it isn't about quilting IMO

I pay nothing to get to this NG. I pay for internet service and this NG is
a minute part of that.

--
Mary
http://community.webshots.com/user/mardor1948
"Diana Curtis" wrote in message
...
I pay to learn how to quilt better. To get quilting advice. To get
inspiration and techinical advice about quilting. I also pay for the
friendship and fun chat.
So, what does everyone else come here for?
Diana

"Jan" wrote in message
link.net...
Maybe it's because it ISN'T a class.


"Diana Curtis" wrote in
:

Only you can decide if that is a reasonable interuption to your quilt
lesson. For me, trying to pay attention to the teachers, it would be
unwelcome. That might not be true for others.
Diana

"Jan" wrote in message
news But is it a person popping in to the classroom or a person sitting
around the frame answering a question asked? If it's quilting

related
and no prices mentioned or sales pitch made, perhaps it isn't an
interruption, but a nice addition to the conversation, another nugget

of
knowledge and a celebration waiting to happen.

What constitutes adverstising in my mind is a price or a specific
service pitched. Not just saying I do that.... because then all of

us
stay at home moms, or other crafters saying I do that.... are
advertising.

Jan

"Diana Curtis" wrote in
:

.
We all talk about this group as if it is a cyber quilting bee. It
isnt. It is a quilting lesson, ongoing and dynamic. They are

lessons
we each pay for. Some pay more, some pay less, but dang it, we all
pay to be here.
Picture having a quilting lesson at your local quilt store where
every so
often a person pops into the class room and advertises something,
interupting the lessons you paid for. You'd be right to be upset.

It
could be your best friend in the world, offering to quilt for you,

or
a total stranger offering a better way of living thru pills or what
have you. Its the same thing, an interuption.
But what about OT posts, you ask. Arent they an interruption as
well? Yes,
when we forget to mark them as being off topic, to the paying
subscriber to this group, they are, for some, an unwanted

interruption
of what they pay to come here for. Quilt lessons. When we do

remember
to use the OT in the header it is as if we have excused ourselves

to
the little room over there with the coffee urn and the nummy

desserts
where we wont be interupting the other quilters with our chatter.
We all have the right to be here. We have the right to a

newsgroup
that
the majority will find useful and fun. Along with those rights

comes a
serious responsibilty to police ourselves and our own posts. If we
decide as a group to allow people to post ads where do we draw the
line? Who gets to post ads and how many and how often is offensive?

Do
we get to pick on people who are obviously not regular posters? Who

is
going to police such a wishy washy policy?
Does it make more sense to make a blanket policy that

advertisments
are to
go to rec.crafts.textiles.marketplace? That is what it is for.
Rant mode over, back to quilting
Diana










 




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