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To Sue Dawson/ Arts & Crafts Era Threads
Hello:
If Sue Dawson is still on this list, I would love for her to post an answer to a question I have about the types of threads used in linens during the "arts & Crafts Era" (early 1900s). I did a search of the archives and found posts from several years ago in which she said that she was personally interested in this topic and had a collection of antique threads and books from this Era. Sue, I would like to recreate some arts & crafts era linens with as close to the authentic threads as possible, but in silks and not the "art silks" (rayons) which were also used at that time. I have read mention that they had a number of threads which are not available to use today. It seems, from my minor-league research, that they used silk threads which were similiar to DMC's cotton perle threads, but I am not sure which weight of the perle threads would be similiar. I have found a couple of online sources for silk threads which are available in a variety of colors in the same weights as DMC cotton perles 3, 5, 8 & 12. Am I on the right track?? Which weight should I order to experiement with?? I have the Vogue patterns for Mission-style pillows, and they recommend regular DMC floss, but this doesn't feel "authentic" to me. I would like to make embroider these designs in silks. Any help or direction would be appreciated. Blessings, Susan |
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My suggestion is to 1. Look at the Kanagawa threads at Lacis and 2.
Contact Lacis with your question if no one else has an answer. Be prepared to wait for a reply. :-) Dianne sewingsusan wrote: Hello: If Sue Dawson is still on this list, I would love for her to post an answer to a question I have about the types of threads used in linens during the "arts & Crafts Era" (early 1900s). I did a search of the archives and found posts from several years ago in which she said that she was personally interested in this topic and had a collection of antique threads and books from this Era. Sue, I would like to recreate some arts & crafts era linens with as close to the authentic threads as possible, but in silks and not the "art silks" (rayons) which were also used at that time. I have read mention that they had a number of threads which are not available to use today. It seems, from my minor-league research, that they used silk threads which were similiar to DMC's cotton perle threads, but I am not sure which weight of the perle threads would be similiar. I have found a couple of online sources for silk threads which are available in a variety of colors in the same weights as DMC cotton perles 3, 5, 8 & 12. Am I on the right track?? Which weight should I order to experiement with?? I have the Vogue patterns for Mission-style pillows, and they recommend regular DMC floss, but this doesn't feel "authentic" to me. I would like to make embroider these designs in silks. Any help or direction would be appreciated. Blessings, Susan |
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I have the Vogue patterns for Mission-style pillows, and they
recommend regular DMC floss, but this doesn't feel "authentic" to me. BRBR Actually, DMC cotton floss is completely authentic. The company has been in business since the mid-19th century and hasn't even changed its color numbers. I have several DMC books of patterns originally published from about 1890-1910 and in all their cotton floss is the first thread recommended, though most note that linen or silk threads can be used as well (DMC brand, of course!), and either perle or regular floss. HTH, Annie |
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FKBABB wrote:
I have the Vogue patterns for Mission-style pillows, and they recommend regular DMC floss, but this doesn't feel "authentic" to me. Actually, DMC cotton floss is completely authentic. The company has been in business since the mid-19th century and hasn't even changed its color numbers. I thought that certain colors had been changed. That if you had older versions of the same number, they wouldn't match the newer versions. Certainly numbers have been added... Elizabeth -- *~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~living well is the best revenge~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~* The most important thing one woman can do for another is to illuminate and expand her sense of actual possibilities. --Adrienne Rich *~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~ *~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~* |
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"Dr. Brat" wrote:
FKBABB wrote: I have the Vogue patterns for Mission-style pillows, and they recommend regular DMC floss, but this doesn't feel "authentic" to me. Actually, DMC cotton floss is completely authentic. The company has been in business since the mid-19th century and hasn't even changed its color numbers. I thought that certain colors had been changed. That if you had older versions of the same number, they wouldn't match the newer versions. Yes, that's (sort of) true. But it wasn't by choice. The new colors are as close to the old colors as they could get with the new dyes. And actually, if you go back far enough, the 'new' (1990s) versions are pretty close to older (1940s) versions, or at least to the 1940s skeins that belonged to my gramma. (gramma and mom stored the floss in a paper lined wooden box in a drawer, so there was no fading of the older colors...shifting due to age, probably.) I think that there had been a gradual shift in those colors over the years, and an effort was made when DMC had to change dyes to make the 'new' version more like the 'old' version. jenn -- Jenn Ridley WIP: Art Stitch Rose Trio, Emperor's Coat, FrankenFlora, Halloween Circle Most recently Finished: Romance, Santa Christmas Stocking, Will Work for Freezer Space |
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Yes, but this doesn't detract from the authenticity (the act of using
DMC floss). One need only read Dillmont's encyclopedia to see just how authentic it is for the period in question. :-) However (always the big however), broder threads were often used, rather than floss. This is tightly twisted thread with a beautiful sheen. Sue might want to look at floche (Herschnerr's carries it). This isn't as nice as broder (cheaper stuff - never mind what they charge for it), but it's worth a look. Smockers love it - and it is highly twisted in lots of colors. Personally, I hate cotton pearls, though I use them. They simply don't hold up when used in surface work because they shred up with the constant twisting and abrasion from in/out of the material. Satin stitching is different. I'm talking all those tiny chains or stem stitches. Dianne Dr. Brat wrote: FKBABB wrote: I have the Vogue patterns for Mission-style pillows, and they recommend regular DMC floss, but this doesn't feel "authentic" to me. Actually, DMC cotton floss is completely authentic. The company has been in business since the mid-19th century and hasn't even changed its color numbers. I thought that certain colors had been changed. That if you had older versions of the same number, they wouldn't match the newer versions. Certainly numbers have been added... Elizabeth |
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Dianne Lewandowski wrote:
Yes, but this doesn't detract from the authenticity (the act of using DMC floss). I hadn't intended to imply that it did. I just was surprised to hear someone claim that their color numbers haven't changed. Elizabeth -- *~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~living well is the best revenge~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~* The most important thing one woman can do for another is to illuminate and expand her sense of actual possibilities. --Adrienne Rich *~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~ *~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~* |
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Jenn Ridley wrote:
"Dr. Brat" wrote: I thought that certain colors had been changed. That if you had older versions of the same number, they wouldn't match the newer versions. I think that there had been a gradual shift in those colors over the years, and an effort was made when DMC had to change dyes to make the 'new' version more like the 'old' version. That makes sense. Thanks! Elizabeth -- *~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~living well is the best revenge~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~* The most important thing one woman can do for another is to illuminate and expand her sense of actual possibilities. --Adrienne Rich *~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~ *~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~* |
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