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How about dem Packers, Mrs. G? What a bunch of losers. HA!
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COL. BILL KILGORE wrote:
How about dem Packers, Mrs. G? What a bunch of losers. HA! Actually, the saddest part, to me, is that people actually put fake cheese on their heads and then expect to be representative of the State of Wisconsin. The second exasperation is that school children are taken to field trips to Packer's stadium (our tax dollars at work), and the young children swoon. There are far better things in life to set as examples for children, for our State, and for our country to worship and idolize. For Pennsylvania, too. Dianne |
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Oh, come on, Dianne. Lambeau is a GB icon. It defines that town, right or
wrong. It's not like Green Bay has that much else to offer. The only reason I go back is to visit the people I grew up with who still live there. I went to Lambeau as a kid many times...I grew up in GB...it was fun! But then, football and athletics in general didn't seem to have as much influence 25 years ago as they do now...I don't recall any swooning... Roberta "Dianne Lewandowski" wrote in message ... COL. BILL KILGORE wrote: How about dem Packers, Mrs. G? What a bunch of losers. HA! Actually, the saddest part, to me, is that people actually put fake cheese on their heads and then expect to be representative of the State of Wisconsin. The second exasperation is that school children are taken to field trips to Packer's stadium (our tax dollars at work), and the young children swoon. There are far better things in life to set as examples for children, for our State, and for our country to worship and idolize. For Pennsylvania, too. Dianne |
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Roberta wrote:
I went to Lambeau as a kid many times...I grew up in GB...it was fun! But then, football and athletics in general didn't seem to have as much influence 25 years ago as they do now...I don't recall any swooning... Well, things have changed. It's a religion. And it's disgusting. If you don't watch the games on television, people think your nuts. There's a LOT of social pressure. And yes, the kids swoon. They bring homes jars of dirt from the field. Some of our acquaintances have complained. And wouldn't you rather your tax dollars be spent to send children to a museum or other place of learning? Athletics needs to be put back in perspective. And no, I don't want my State to be represented by the words "Cheeseheads". In fact, Wisconsin Public Radio has had quite a bit of discussion on this issue, as has the capital of Madison. If the level of education, culture and refinement were higher, I could look at it as a joke. It's not a joke. It's plain sad. Dianne |
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On 1/14/04 8:40 AM,"Dianne Lewandowski" posted:
Roberta wrote: I went to Lambeau as a kid many times...I grew up in GB...it was fun! But then, football and athletics in general didn't seem to have as much influence 25 years ago as they do now...I don't recall any swooning... Well, things have changed. It's a religion. And it's disgusting. If you It's not different - it's just more visible. What do you think about the Black Sox scandal - nearly 100 years ago. Or when Roger Maris was about to break the home run record 40 years ago - people were dedicated and completely involved in following their teams. As a matter of interesting sociology, it seems that during times of economic woe, political upheaval - the following of professional sports takes an upturn. People become more involved, obsessive. I don't know why, but it's something that has been noted over the last century - maybe it's the distraction from things which they feel they can't control. don't watch the games on television, people think your nuts. There's a LOT of social pressure. And yes, the kids swoon. They bring homes jars of dirt from the field. Some of our acquaintances have complained. And wouldn't you rather your tax dollars be spent to send children to a museum or other place of learning? So, in a place where the football team, a little town owning the team, the stadium is something they feel is of premiere importance you're the one who doesn't. Are people painting epithets on your fence, toilet-papering your yard, throwing stones? Or are they just shaking their heads because they don't get why you don't care? They probably think you're nuts because the Packers are the biggest thing in Green Bay and a source of pride. Oh well. I personally believe that Americans spend way too much money, on entertainment and those who entertain us - actors and athletes. But, as a society evidently the majority goes with it. And it's a skill to be a world class athlete, or a great actor, so we have to deal with that. It's better than worshipping gun-fighters in the 19th century, or early 20th. Athletics needs to be put back in perspective. And no, I don't want my Sure, but even the ancient Greeks place high value on top athletes, the Romans on gladiators, and these athletes had followings. State to be represented by the words "Cheeseheads". In fact, Wisconsin Public Radio has had quite a bit of discussion on this issue, as has the capital of Madison. So, don't wear a Cheesehead. You're just stuck. I don't think anyone really thinks that everyone from Wisconsin wears foam cheese on their head. What about the folks in Milwaukee with Beer Cans instead ;^) ? If the level of education, culture and refinement were higher, I could look at it as a joke. It's not a joke. It's plain sad. Y'know you're entitled to your opinion. But, if this is what people want, and they're happy - it's their right. What right do you really have to say that they're wrong? If you don't like the socio-economic-cultural environment, then I'd say find a place that you will like. Have your spouse do a job search, and move. There are many cities and towns across the country that have museums, and little symphonies - find one you like. If you're looking for higher education levels on the average - then you have to move either to a University town - where it's disparate - or a metro area that doesn't have an industrial basis - where the basis is now white collar work - like Silicon Valley, or the MD/DC/VA area to name 2. Or even in the city of Pittsburgh - since the steel mills shut, the town has shifted it's economic base - but they're crazy for their teams in Pgh, and that would bug you. I don't think you'd like it here - as my guess would be you'd think people are tooo competitive. Just a hunch. When I first lived in Pgh, I was really struck by the steel-worker situation. But then, with some time and observation I came to some odd thoughts. This was an entire class of hard working folks who were well paid, and had a culture of the kids staying in that field - not getting more education, moving out, changing their life - instead it was work hard during the week, have a big-screen tv, go to Steelers games, and drink beer - that was what the money was for - not moving to nicer houses, etc. Some were able to buy out their company, and come back to work for $19/hr anticipating getting more - while others refused to do that (from about $28-35/hr) and instead ended up in a world of hurt and job retraining to $8/hr jobs. They weren't prepared to do anything else, and hadn't wanted most of the kids to do anything else. I had to think hard about this - because part of me felt this was a stupid way to live - making $50K a year in the 80s, and living in bedroom communities of little houses - but you'd see shiny trucks or Camaros, and all those big-screen tvs thru the windows - and very full little bars. Finally, for me, I decided what right do I have to say their choice of life-style is wrong? If people don't want to "better" themselves, aren't interested in art, or music - and are wanting to just watch their football team, wear stupid things on their heads, and drink a lot of beer in their off time - so be it. Maybe they're the smart ones - as they're less stressed. I'm sure that there are people who think that spending time doing needlework is crazier than putting a foam cheese wedge on your head. Just something to think about. Ellice |
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Dianne, if your taxes are supporting the school, why don't you check
with them to see *why* they thought this was an appropriate field trip? Perhaps a corporate partner-in-education funded the trip as a reward for improved test scores or some other academic achievement. They could also be learning about diversity since a pro football team usually has a broad cross-section of races/ethnicities and religions. OK, no great gender diversity... Personally, I think students should be taken out and taught the ugly side to sports and entertainment careers. They really need to talk to the men and women who were so talented they were supposed to set the world on fire and then they fizzled immediately, had a career-ending injury, public opinion changed and someone else was hotter, they couldn't take the stress, drugs, booze, relationships (euphemism here), etc. Maybe a fallen idol can get through to them that the achievement of an education is something no one can take away from them. Since schools are patting students on the back and saying whatever they do is just fine, someone has to shoot them down with the truth--either about how great they aren't or how hard it is to make it even if you are good and you better have a net below you when you fall. Simon Cowell can't be there for everyone. Another possible plus would be if such a trip got students more interested in physical activity (in a healthy, non-steroidal way). This is also the only way some children will ever get to see such a place since their parents can't afford to take them or don't consider sports events something to attend. I'm sure some of them were wide-eyed because they have never seen the inside of such a big place and can't imagine that so many people would be there at once. A football game is a cultural event just as much as a ballet or a rock concert. I bet the students from well-to-do fan families (who regularly attend games) had a different perspective. -- Brenda Lewis WIP: "Pink Baby" photo frame, Candamar |
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On 1/14/04 8:40 AM, in article ,
"Dianne Lewandowski" wrote: Roberta wrote: I went to Lambeau as a kid many times...I grew up in GB...it was fun! But then, football and athletics in general didn't seem to have as much influence 25 years ago as they do now...I don't recall any swooning... Well, things have changed. It's a religion. And it's disgusting. If you don't watch the games on television, people think your nuts. There's a LOT of social pressure. And yes, the kids swoon. They bring homes jars of dirt from the field. Some of our acquaintances have complained. And wouldn't you rather your tax dollars be spent to send children to a museum or other place of learning? Athletics needs to be put back in perspective. And no, I don't want my State to be represented by the words "Cheeseheads". In fact, Wisconsin Public Radio has had quite a bit of discussion on this issue, as has the capital of Madison. If the level of education, culture and refinement were higher, I could look at it as a joke. It's not a joke. It's plain sad. Dianne Interesting, LOCALLY, the schools don't pay for the field trips or for any speaker brought into the schools. (I arrange both for a local elementary school, so I am in a position to know first hand.) Field trips and speakers are either funded by the parents directly, by the PTA/PTO or privately paid for by a group or individual. SO - are you absolutely sure that TAX dollars are used? I can't imagine that a "fun" trip like that wouldn't have been cut. Cheryl |
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Interesting, LOCALLY, the schools don't pay for the field trips or for any
speaker brought into the schools. (I arrange both for a local elementary school, so I am in a position to know first hand.) Field trips and speakers are either funded by the parents directly, by the PTA/PTO or privately paid for by a group or individual. SO - are you absolutely sure that TAX dollars are used? I can't imagine that a "fun" trip like that wouldn't have been cut. Cheryl Lord knows WE pay for our kids various field trips! Our school district doesn't even use school buses for trips, but charter buses. And they go to places like Farms with corn mazes in the fall. Not really educational, but they will also go to things like the Nat'l Archives and the Kennedy Center. I know that on a trip to the Nat'l Aquarium in Baltimore, a small side trip to Camden Yards was part of the agenda. Didn't really bother me, not that I give a flying hoot about the Orioles. Caryn Blue Wizard Designs http://hometown.aol.com/crzy4xst/index.html Updated: 7/7/03 -- now available Dragon of the Stars View WIPs at: http://community.webshots.com/user/carynlws (Caryn's UFO's) |
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Ellice wrote:
[snip] As a matter of interesting sociology, it seems that during times of economic woe, political upheaval - the following of professional sports takes an upturn. People become more involved, obsessive. I don't know why, but it's something that has been noted over the last century - maybe it's the distraction from things which they feel they can't control. I'd like to see some statistics that show this - over the course of history. Along those lines, the course of history has shown us some rather nasty adherences to idolatry (men thrown in the lions den while the crowd cheers; or, public hangings and public beheadings). Just because a society does it - and it's a majority - doesn't make it sensible or furthering the culture of a society. don't watch the games on television, people think your nuts. There's a LOT of social pressure. And yes, the kids swoon. They bring homes jars of dirt from the field. Some of our acquaintances have complained. And wouldn't you rather your tax dollars be spent to send children to a museum or other place of learning? So, in a place where the football team, a little town owning the team, the stadium is something they feel is of premiere importance you're the one who doesn't. Are people painting epithets on your fence, As a matter of fact: yes, people have torn up my gardens, toilet papered my yard, paint-balled my house. They probably think you're nuts because the Packers are the biggest thing in Green Bay and a source of pride. Purchasing baby blankets in packer green with gold helmets, packer jackets for any age, packer pajamas . . . come on. This isn't enthusiasm, it's a fetish, and it's not healthy. Pride is one thing. I used to cheer the Bears, but I didn't have anything in the house (like kitchen curtains) that had the Bears logo all over it. Nor glasses in my cupboard. Until recently, if you went in the local JC Penney store, 2/3's of it were Packer-related merchandise. That's since changed, thank the gods. Oh well. I personally believe that Americans spend way too much money, on entertainment and those who entertain us - actors and athletes. But, as a society evidently the majority goes with it. But that doesn't make the majority correct in their behavior. In fact, in my opinion, it says something very negative about us. And it's a skill to be a world class athlete, or a great actor, so we have to deal with that. It's better than worshipping gun-fighters in the 19th century, or early 20th. I don't know of anyone who worshipped gunfighters. Some people did get some glee out of the Bonnie & Clyde escapades, but that had to do with the Depression and what many considered unfair banking at that time. Sure, but even the ancient Greeks place high value on top athletes, the Romans on gladiators, and these athletes had followings. As I said: there's a difference between a fan and a fetish. I stated: State to be represented by the words "Cheeseheads". In fact, Wisconsin Public Radio has had quite a bit of discussion on this issue, as has the capital of Madison. To which Ellice replied: So, don't wear a Cheesehead. You're just stuck. Stuck on what? Sanity? Obviously, from my above paragraph, there's plenty more that think the moniker of "cheesehead" does nothing to promote the value of the State. don't think anyone really thinks that everyone from Wisconsin wears foam cheese on their head. What about the folks in Milwaukee with Beer Cans instead ;^) ? You might be surprised. Then again, of course not. But that is a phrase that has become our State's moniker: Cheesehead. That doesn't exactly promote us positively. Y'know you're entitled to your opinion. But, if this is what people want, and they're happy - it's their right. What right do you really have to say that they're wrong? If you don't like the socio-economic-cultural environment, then I'd say find a place that you will like. Have your spouse do a job search, and move. This is the same hue and cry, worded slightly differently: "If you don't like America, leave." Surely you can come up with a better argument. Have you looked at the labor market lately? The socio-economic status of the U.S. as a whole? Some people like to stand up and say, "This isn't helping, it's hurting." Others don't have to listen, but that doesn't make the statement "wrong". Dianne |
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You may be right. These annual trips may be supported by parents group.
My tax dollars may not be funding them. However, that tells you a lot, too. :-) It's rather scarey. They've been making these field trips for years. Dianne Cheryl Isaak wrote: On 1/14/04 8:40 AM, in article , "Dianne Lewandowski" wrote: Roberta wrote: I went to Lambeau as a kid many times...I grew up in GB...it was fun! But then, football and athletics in general didn't seem to have as much influence 25 years ago as they do now...I don't recall any swooning... Well, things have changed. It's a religion. And it's disgusting. If you don't watch the games on television, people think your nuts. There's a LOT of social pressure. And yes, the kids swoon. They bring homes jars of dirt from the field. Some of our acquaintances have complained. And wouldn't you rather your tax dollars be spent to send children to a museum or other place of learning? Athletics needs to be put back in perspective. And no, I don't want my State to be represented by the words "Cheeseheads". In fact, Wisconsin Public Radio has had quite a bit of discussion on this issue, as has the capital of Madison. If the level of education, culture and refinement were higher, I could look at it as a joke. It's not a joke. It's plain sad. Dianne Interesting, LOCALLY, the schools don't pay for the field trips or for any speaker brought into the schools. (I arrange both for a local elementary school, so I am in a position to know first hand.) Field trips and speakers are either funded by the parents directly, by the PTA/PTO or privately paid for by a group or individual. SO - are you absolutely sure that TAX dollars are used? I can't imagine that a "fun" trip like that wouldn't have been cut. Cheryl |
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