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"Ellice" wrote in message: In a somewhat unusual follow-up to my own post, I'd like to add something. I spoke with Nathalie directly about this entire situation. Very polite and pleasant e-mail exchange. We agreed, upon my suggestion, that I could post another little clarification on this topic. snipped I know what Nathalie is going through. When I very abruptly closed Future Collectibles, I had a few orders outstanding - had to complete one project, and it was over in a blink of an eye. The VERY FIRST THING I did was to refund deposits to customers. I explained the situation (divorce - debt beyond belief I didn't know I had!) and everyone was understanding. The important thing is to *take care of business* ~ I built my business on trust and craftsmanship. There was one person on this ng who was not happy with the cabinet she received from me and wanted to know what she could do about it. I asked her to send it back to me C.O.D. and I would give her a 100% refund. Bless her heart - she was so surprised that she prepaid the freight and I sent her a check. As it turned out - UPS had damaged the cabinet - but nevertheless . . . if you're going to be in or out of business - you've got to treat folks fairly. You never burn a bridge - but attempt to mend it whenever possible. You never know when you'll be back with your reputation at stake and have to deal with the same people again. Jim Mc Namara |
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Fred, the first one came through just fine on my end.
Gillian "Fred" wrote in message ... My first reply to you is not showing up here so this is my second attempt. As you can see (maybe), on my first message about missing posts I responded to a post from Poetta which shows up on google but her/it post is not showing up on my ISP's board. There are two missing from this thread alone. It's wierd! Fred http://www.stitchaway.com If you are on thin ice you might as well dance! W.I.P. - Pending "PaulaB" wrote in message om... I really don't know much about all this at all, Fred, except to say that there are regular posters who purge their posts from Google so I never see them except as snips included in others' posts. I did that once too, when I made a faux pas. (It seems a little odd to me, but to each his own - I try not to post things that would offend if someone reads them months later in Google.) Are the missing ones from your ISP or Google? Paula B. "Fred" wrote in message ... "Fred." wrote in message om... snip Poetta wrote in message . .. Fred -- They AREone and the same. I got burned too, but luckily got my stuff back. snip Anyone know why some RCTN posts can appear on google before they appear on one's local ISP server and Visa-Versus??? and did anyone else see Poetta's post as above?? I always thought my posts to RCTN would appear on my local ISP's server first before they would appear on google and 95% of the time that they are, however when I compare most everyone's RCTN posts on google and the same posts on my local ISP server, a lot of member's posts show up differently or not at all. I'm set up for constant post synchronization so I should be up to date on posts. Do I smell censorship of (1s) and (0s)?? LOL I was under the impression my posts to RCTN would be routed as follows My post--to my local ISP(filed for access by others from the internet)--to google archives. Fred http://www.stitchaway.com If you are on thin ice you might as well dance! W.I.P. - Pending --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.505 / Virus Database: 302 - Release Date: 7/31/03 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.505 / Virus Database: 302 - Release Date: 7/30/03 "PaulaB" wrote in message om... I really don't know much about all this at all, Fred, except to say that there are regular posters who purge their posts from Google so I never see them except as snips included in others' posts. I did that once too, when I made a faux pas. (It seems a little odd to me, but to each his own - I try not to post things that would offend if someone reads them months later in Google.) Are the missing ones from your ISP or Google? Paula B. "Fred" wrote in message ... "Fred." wrote in message om... snip Poetta wrote in message . .. Fred -- They AREone and the same. I got burned too, but luckily got my stuff back. snip Anyone know why some RCTN posts can appear on google before they appear on one's local ISP server and Visa-Versus??? and did anyone else see Poetta's post as above?? I always thought my posts to RCTN would appear on my local ISP's server first before they would appear on google and 95% of the time that they are, however when I compare most everyone's RCTN posts on google and the same posts on my local ISP server, a lot of member's posts show up differently or not at all. I'm set up for constant post synchronization so I should be up to date on posts. Do I smell censorship of (1s) and (0s)?? LOL I was under the impression my posts to RCTN would be routed as follows My post--to my local ISP(filed for access by others from the internet)--to google archives. Fred http://www.stitchaway.com If you are on thin ice you might as well dance! W.I.P. - Pending --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.505 / Virus Database: 302 - Release Date: 7/31/03 |
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On 7/31/03 5:10 PM,"Dawne Peterson" posted:
"Ellice" wrote (snip) Now back to my usual not quite as diplomatic self, Okay, but thank you for calmly stepping in as the voice of reason in this one. My pleasure, Dawne. ellice |
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As a "former" modelstitcher for Nathalie, I am finding this thread VERY
interesting. Not that anyone really cares what my opinion is, but I thought I'd share it anyway. Apologies in advance to anyone with fragile sensitivities--I'm upholding my right to free speech and GOWdom. I was not altogether shocked a few short weeks ago when I received an email/e-group notice that Nathalie was stopping her business. The email demanded the immediate return of all models, finished or unfinished, and all remaining supplies. Apparently she was recently robbed of money she had set aside to pay some modelstitchers(thus she proclaimed). Not being able to cope well with her new predicament and the rising modelstitcher uproar (several members have been dissatisfied for a very long time prior for legitimate reasons), she decided to close up shop. In case you might be curious why so many people were unhappy working with/for her even before this event, let me enlighten you. She would disappear from our e-group for weeks/months at a time, not a single post or response to repeated requests from several modelstitchers asking for more threads in which to finish their projects, when they'd receive threads she had kept promising to mail, or wanting to know when they'd be paid for work done, etc., I think you get the idea. I won't go into detail of how she's handled other designers she was to distribute. Then, out of the blue, she'd show up and post profusely for several days, calming everyone's fears, before disappearing into the wild blue yonder once again(can we say bi-polar?). Immediately before this notice from her, several members were getting quite vocal wondering where she was and where their payment was, then she made her flash appearance and claimed cash robbery. I was quite surprised to learn in another post in the this thread that she has reopened under another business name. I was even more surprised when I went to her new website and under her "modelstitching" section, she is actively recruiting new modelstitchers, yet no former modelstitchers for NDMDC were allowed to apply, minus the select few that have already received personal letters from her, as stated on the new website. Now, if Nathalie had decided that being a distributor of other designers' work was too much to deal with in addition to promoting her own designs, then more power to her in reconstructing her (almost) new business. However, telling her modelstitchers that she's QUITTING the business (albeit long term temporary), then immediately opening up shop under a new name and requesting new modelstitchers is just WRONG. We were LIED TO, misled, and short-shrifted, and that is not a good way of doing business. I'm a damn good stitcher, and I resent having someone else finish MY work. You can't(or shouldn't) always run away from your demons(under the guise of a new business name). I hope anyone considering working for someone that UNDEPENDABLE, dishonest, and shady seriously thinks twice before getting involved. Warning!! Harsh, blatant opinion he And while I'm on a roll(now for the part that will really seal my fate as a bad-mouthed GOW): her designs SUCK. Yeah, I could be politically correct and simply say "they're not to my taste", but why should I? This isn't sour grapes talking here, they really, truly, are horrible(minus a few, I will grant her that) monstrosities of design. I don't know who she's trying to kid with her "i'm a needlework designer" fantasy. I've seen better "artwork" from elementary students. I know I'm going to go down in the burning flames of RCTN hell, and that I've certainly damaged my own credibility in the process, but I'm entitled to not only my opinion but expressing it too, so you naysayers out there can just bring it on! Modelstitcher Ex-Communicado |
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It doesn`t surprise me in the least. I wouldn`t comment on her own personal
designs, apart from saying that on the whole they were not to my taste, but the feeling I had about some of them were that they appeared to have been scanned in from birthday cards or somthing of that ilk, and very badly edited. They looked as if the backgrounds had just been deleted with an image editing programme, and precious little else done. I think that Bi-Polar is a definite possibility - judging from the experience I have with my own oldest daughter. In that case, Nathalie and her family deserve a huge amount of sympathy, although it can`t be of much consolation to the model-stitchers who have been caught up in this. It would, perhaps, be useful to know the name of her "new" company, so that others may avoid becoming embroiled in a similar situation at a later date. I do hope that the model stitchers who have not been paid have held on to any supplies they hold until/unless they ARE paid! A few years ago I was "caught" in a very minor way, by Nathalie. At the time the subject of a new breakfast cereal containing Brlgian chocolate arose in the group, and I offered to send a pack to anyone who wanted to try it (obviously intending the offer to apply to friends overseas). Nathalie asked if I`d send her some, to which I agreed - not realising that she only lived about 100 miles away! I laughed it off at the time and was as good as my word, but even then I felt it was slightly sneaky, and something I wouldn`t have done myself. I` like to have seen her make a success of her "business", as I rhink she really needs to succeed at something for her own peace of mind and health and I genuinely feel sorry for her. I also feel sorry for the people who have been so badly let down. Pat P "Anonymous Modelstitcher" wrote in message ... As a "former" modelstitcher for Nathalie, I am finding this thread VERY interesting. Not that anyone really cares what my opinion is, but I thought I'd share it anyway. Apologies in advance to anyone with fragile sensitivities--I'm upholding my right to free speech and GOWdom. I was not altogether shocked a few short weeks ago when I received an email/e-group notice that Nathalie was stopping her business. The email demanded the immediate return of all models, finished or unfinished, and all remaining supplies. Apparently she was recently robbed of money she had set aside to pay some modelstitchers(thus she proclaimed). Not being able to cope well with her new predicament and the rising modelstitcher uproar (several members have been dissatisfied for a very long time prior for legitimate reasons), she decided to close up shop. In case you might be curious why so many people were unhappy working with/for her even before this event, let me enlighten you. She would disappear from our e-group for weeks/months at a time, not a single post or response to repeated requests from several modelstitchers asking for more threads in which to finish their projects, when they'd receive threads she had kept promising to mail, or wanting to know when they'd be paid for work done, etc., I think you get the idea. I won't go into detail of how she's handled other designers she was to distribute. Then, out of the blue, she'd show up and post profusely for several days, calming everyone's fears, before disappearing into the wild blue yonder once again(can we say bi-polar?). Immediately before this notice from her, several members were getting quite vocal wondering where she was and where their payment was, then she made her flash appearance and claimed cash robbery. I was quite surprised to learn in another post in the this thread that she has reopened under another business name. I was even more surprised when I went to her new website and under her "modelstitching" section, she is actively recruiting new modelstitchers, yet no former modelstitchers for NDMDC were allowed to apply, minus the select few that have already received personal letters from her, as stated on the new website. Now, if Nathalie had decided that being a distributor of other designers' work was too much to deal with in addition to promoting her own designs, then more power to her in reconstructing her (almost) new business. However, telling her modelstitchers that she's QUITTING the business (albeit long term temporary), then immediately opening up shop under a new name and requesting new modelstitchers is just WRONG. We were LIED TO, misled, and short-shrifted, and that is not a good way of doing business. I'm a damn good stitcher, and I resent having someone else finish MY work. You can't(or shouldn't) always run away from your demons(under the guise of a new business name). I hope anyone considering working for someone that UNDEPENDABLE, dishonest, and shady seriously thinks twice before getting involved. Warning!! Harsh, blatant opinion he And while I'm on a roll(now for the part that will really seal my fate as a bad-mouthed GOW): her designs SUCK. Yeah, I could be politically correct and simply say "they're not to my taste", but why should I? This isn't sour grapes talking here, they really, truly, are horrible(minus a few, I will grant her that) monstrosities of design. I don't know who she's trying to kid with her "i'm a needlework designer" fantasy. I've seen better "artwork" from elementary students. I know I'm going to go down in the burning flames of RCTN hell, and that I've certainly damaged my own credibility in the process, but I'm entitled to not only my opinion but expressing it too, so you naysayers out there can just bring it on! Modelstitcher Ex-Communicado |
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Thanks for the reply Gillian,
I actually sent two replies to Poetta's post but I still only see the second one here. A lot of my replies to other threads also seem to have to gone into the cyberspace boneyard. I guess them's the breaks. I'm not about to repeat the posts - time to move on. I'm hoping to have solved the problem by completely unsubscribing and subscribing again, then doing a complete defragmentation and reboot. I'm sure it all started in the wee hours of Jul 20/03 which was my busiest e-mail day of the month - arrrggggg - 1800+. I might have had a pc memory overload - similar to a mental overload. LOL. Bandages come off the finners for good today. All healed up, no scars, but my hide hasn't toughened up over the nerves in the finger tips so when I touch something it smarts a bit. Which of course will remind me to change my ways. Ha, easier to pour water through the eye of a needle. Happy Stitching, Fred http://www.stitchaway.com If you are on thin ice you might as well dance! W.I.P. - Pending "Gillian Murray" wrote in message k.net... Fred, the first one came through just fine on my end. Gillian "Fred" wrote in message ... My first reply to you is not showing up here so this is my second attempt. As you can see (maybe), on my first message about missing posts I responded to a post from Poetta which shows up on google but her/it post is not showing up on my ISP's board. There are two missing from this thread alone. It's wierd! Fred http://www.stitchaway.com If you are on thin ice you might as well dance! W.I.P. - Pending "PaulaB" wrote in message om... I really don't know much about all this at all, Fred, except to say that there are regular posters who purge their posts from Google so I never see them except as snips included in others' posts. I did that once too, when I made a faux pas. (It seems a little odd to me, but to each his own - I try not to post things that would offend if someone reads them months later in Google.) Are the missing ones from your ISP or Google? Paula B. "Fred" wrote in message ... "Fred." wrote in message om... snip Poetta wrote in message . .. Fred -- They AREone and the same. I got burned too, but luckily got my stuff back. snip Anyone know why some RCTN posts can appear on google before they appear on one's local ISP server and Visa-Versus??? and did anyone else see Poetta's post as above?? I always thought my posts to RCTN would appear on my local ISP's server first before they would appear on google and 95% of the time that they are, however when I compare most everyone's RCTN posts on google and the same posts on my local ISP server, a lot of member's posts show up differently or not at all. I'm set up for constant post synchronization so I should be up to date on posts. Do I smell censorship of (1s) and (0s)?? LOL I was under the impression my posts to RCTN would be routed as follows My post--to my local ISP(filed for access by others from the internet)--to google archives. Fred http://www.stitchaway.com If you are on thin ice you might as well dance! W.I.P. - Pending --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.505 / Virus Database: 302 - Release Date: 7/31/03 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.505 / Virus Database: 302 - Release Date: 7/30/03 "PaulaB" wrote in message om... I really don't know much about all this at all, Fred, except to say that there are regular posters who purge their posts from Google so I never see them except as snips included in others' posts. I did that once too, when I made a faux pas. (It seems a little odd to me, but to each his own - I try not to post things that would offend if someone reads them months later in Google.) Are the missing ones from your ISP or Google? Paula B. "Fred" wrote in message ... "Fred." wrote in message om... snip Poetta wrote in message . .. Fred -- They AREone and the same. I got burned too, but luckily got my stuff back. snip Anyone know why some RCTN posts can appear on google before they appear on one's local ISP server and Visa-Versus??? and did anyone else see Poetta's post as above?? I always thought my posts to RCTN would appear on my local ISP's server first before they would appear on google and 95% of the time that they are, however when I compare most everyone's RCTN posts on google and the same posts on my local ISP server, a lot of member's posts show up differently or not at all. I'm set up for constant post synchronization so I should be up to date on posts. Do I smell censorship of (1s) and (0s)?? LOL I was under the impression my posts to RCTN would be routed as follows My post--to my local ISP(filed for access by others from the internet)--to google archives. Fred http://www.stitchaway.com If you are on thin ice you might as well dance! W.I.P. - Pending --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.505 / Virus Database: 302 - Release Date: 7/31/03 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.505 / Virus Database: 302 - Release Date: 7/30/03 |
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I heard nothing but raves about your work, Jim! So just a very nosy
question (feel free to ignore if you want!): Are you hoping/planning to go back into the woodworking business? Just wondering - I know you loved it so much. Best wishes, Paula B. I know what Nathalie is going through. When I very abruptly closed Future Collectibles, I had a few orders outstanding - had to complete one project, and it was over in a blink of an eye. The VERY FIRST THING I did was to refund deposits to customers. I explained the situation (divorce - debt beyond belief I didn't know I had!) and everyone was understanding. The important thing is to *take care of business* ~ I built my business on trust and craftsmanship. There was one person on this ng who was not happy with the cabinet she received from me and wanted to know what she could do about it. I asked her to send it back to me C.O.D. and I would give her a 100% refund. Bless her heart - she was so surprised that she prepaid the freight and I sent her a check. As it turned out - UPS had damaged the cabinet - but nevertheless . . . if you're going to be in or out of business - you've got to treat folks fairly. You never burn a bridge - but attempt to mend it whenever possible. You never know when you'll be back with your reputation at stake and have to deal with the same people again. Jim Mc Namara |
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And the first one showed up in Google too, right away (relatively speaking).
Paula B. "Gillian Murray" wrote in message nk.net... Fred, the first one came through just fine on my end. Gillian "Fred" wrote in message ... My first reply to you is not showing up here so this is my second attempt. As you can see (maybe), on my first message about missing posts I responded to a post from Poetta which shows up on google but her/it post is not showing up on my ISP's board. There are two missing from this thread alone. It's wierd! Fred http://www.stitchaway.com If you are on thin ice you might as well dance! W.I.P. - Pending "PaulaB" wrote in message om... I really don't know much about all this at all, Fred, except to say that there are regular posters who purge their posts from Google so I never see them except as snips included in others' posts. I did that once too, when I made a faux pas. (It seems a little odd to me, but to each his own - I try not to post things that would offend if someone reads them months later in Google.) Are the missing ones from your ISP or Google? Paula B. "Fred" wrote in message ... "Fred." wrote in message om... snip Poetta wrote in message . .. Fred -- They AREone and the same. I got burned too, but luckily got my stuff back. snip Anyone know why some RCTN posts can appear on google before they appear on one's local ISP server and Visa-Versus??? and did anyone else see Poetta's post as above?? I always thought my posts to RCTN would appear on my local ISP's server first before they would appear on google and 95% of the time that they are, however when I compare most everyone's RCTN posts on google and the same posts on my local ISP server, a lot of member's posts show up differently or not at all. I'm set up for constant post synchronization so I should be up to date on posts. Do I smell censorship of (1s) and (0s)?? LOL I was under the impression my posts to RCTN would be routed as follows My post--to my local ISP(filed for access by others from the internet)--to google archives. Fred http://www.stitchaway.com If you are on thin ice you might as well dance! W.I.P. - Pending --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.505 / Virus Database: 302 - Release Date: 7/31/03 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.505 / Virus Database: 302 - Release Date: 7/30/03 "PaulaB" wrote in message om... I really don't know much about all this at all, Fred, except to say that there are regular posters who purge their posts from Google so I never see them except as snips included in others' posts. I did that once too, when I made a faux pas. (It seems a little odd to me, but to each his own - I try not to post things that would offend if someone reads them months later in Google.) Are the missing ones from your ISP or Google? Paula B. "Fred" wrote in message ... "Fred." wrote in message om... snip Poetta wrote in message . .. Fred -- They AREone and the same. I got burned too, but luckily got my stuff back. snip Anyone know why some RCTN posts can appear on google before they appear on one's local ISP server and Visa-Versus??? and did anyone else see Poetta's post as above?? I always thought my posts to RCTN would appear on my local ISP's server first before they would appear on google and 95% of the time that they are, however when I compare most everyone's RCTN posts on google and the same posts on my local ISP server, a lot of member's posts show up differently or not at all. I'm set up for constant post synchronization so I should be up to date on posts. Do I smell censorship of (1s) and (0s)?? LOL I was under the impression my posts to RCTN would be routed as follows My post--to my local ISP(filed for access by others from the internet)--to google archives. Fred http://www.stitchaway.com If you are on thin ice you might as well dance! W.I.P. - Pending --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.505 / Virus Database: 302 - Release Date: 7/31/03 |
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Modelstitcher Ex-Communicado
I snipped all the nastiness.... How very brave you are to hide behind an anonymous email and signature! Perhaps you know what you said could be construed as slander and/or libel in a court of law? If you have a legitimate complaint, than make it to the party in question, privately! The hatred in your tone makes me think that you are spreading lies and gossip. What you think you'll gain from this is beyond me. Caryn Blue Wizard Designs http://hometown.aol.com/crzy4xst/index.html Updated: 7/7/03 -- now available Dragon of the Stars View WIPs at: http://community.webshots.com/user/carynlws (Caryn's UFO's) |
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Hey gang,
I have to throw in something. First, this person posted anonymously, which has now caused a problem for me. As a result of this posting, Nathalie evidently believes it was me - because in the header reference lines my 2 prior posts in the thread are cited. And now, as she is understandably upset with what she perceives as untruths being published about her - she has attributed this "anonymous" to me. So, I'm writing to say this is most definitely not me. And I am taking action with my ISP to ensure that whatever "good" name I have isn't sullied by this posters actions. Lovely for me to be threatened when all I've done is try to present some calm look at a bad situation. Yes, I have responded to Nathalie's personal, ummm, shall we say, ultimatum threatening action against me if I don't retract all the crap that was in the anonymous post. FWIW - Nathalie says to me that essentially this is either full of lies, or misrepresentations (my paraphrase). She has also informed me that she will be going to the NEWSGROUP (horrors) to post this, with the header open - as if we dolts (my word) can't figure out how to do that ourselves and thus show what a terrible person I am, and then I can lose all my credibility, and so forth. So, gang, I've snipped all the offensive, potentially libelous stuff. And am letting you know that this isn't me. Believe it or not. It was certainly a shock to me to open my e-mail this morning, and have an attacking e-mail in my box from Nathalie - with this attached - and ultimatums about what actions I must take. Just in point of fact, at 4:23 AM EDT, I was in bed with DH, and Puckster. I'm sure Puckster will be happy to witness. Yikes. As they say, no good deed goes unpunished. ellice On 8/1/03 4:23 AM,"Anonymous Modelstitcher" posted: As a "former" modelstitcher for Nathalie, I am finding this thread VERY interesting. Not that anyone really cares what my opinion is, but I thought I'd share it anyway. Apologies in advance to anyone with fragile sensitivities--I'm upholding my right to free speech and GOWdom. *snipping* I know I'm going to go down in the burning flames of RCTN hell, and that I've certainly damaged my own credibility in the process, but I'm entitled to not only my opinion but expressing it too, so you naysayers out there can just bring it on! Modelstitcher Ex-Communicado |
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