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Nancy Scott wrote:
It seemed to have a lot of questions that were stated in such a way to "push" the answerer left/anti-authoritarian. I would love to have my old poli-sci statistics professor go through the questions and do a bias analysis. It would be very interesting. Given th politician that it placed my answers closest to (Gerhart Schroeder), I hope it wasn't accurate. I agree, and would be extremely interested if anyone can point out major flaws in thinking on this. I read quite a bit more on their site late yesterday, including the "kudos". My husband and I were very close, I was a bit further left, but we were on the same libertarian line. There's only one or two issues which separate us, so the results tended to make me believe it's fairly accurate. Since I'm not someone with credentials, however, I'll just look at it with intrigue and hope that it opens up conversation and self analysis. Dianne |
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Did you read the FAQ's page, Meredith? Did that answer any of your
concerns? I think that, on a personal level, if you are doing your level best to answer ALL questions as truthfully as possible, it could enlighten you on your belief system. No matter where the questions or answers are placed. I went into this in this manner. Do I think it's probably perfect? Nah. But it does give you reason to think hard. That's always a positive result. I came out left of Ghandi and Mandela. I was pleased to see that, of course, but I didn't realize I was THAT left! g And I had personally hoped I'd be more centered in the libertarian area. huge grin Dianne Meredith wrote: The structure of a questionnaire/test definitely has an effect upon the results. I'm in grad school right now and have studied this in at least two classes. If you want to see more divided results, you don't give a neutral answer choice. Having the positive or negative choice first in the list also makes a difference, as does the order of questions. A general rule of thumb is to put the questions that people are least likely to answer at the end of the questionnaire because they tend to stop upon encountering such a question, and so on. As Mirjam said, "Do you really believe that any test , on political isues , or even political placing , can be tottaly Objective???" It's impossible to write one that's completely unbiased. Meredith mondaymorning wrote: I went to the site and took the test. I felt that the some of the questions were not worded in a way that answers could be given correctly. One example was: Mothers may have careers but their first duty is to be homemakers. One was to answer agree or disagree. I don't think anyone's first duty is to be a homemaker but I sure do think anyone who is a Mother has a duty to put that job first. Being a homemaker and a Mother are not the same thing. There were many other questions which presented the same dilemma. So I got fixed in a position....but was it accurate? I don't think so. "Dianne Lewandowski" wrote in message ... A few months back, someone posted a site with a test to see where you were at on the political scale: right or left. The following site does this a little better, has some interesting statements to make about social and economic "visions", past and current global leaders and where they are in the spector. For those interested in this issue, take the test and read the documentation. I found it fascinating. The questions intriguing, and often times difficult to answer. http://www.digitalronin.f2s.com/poli...ass/index.html |
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Concerns? I didn't post because of that. Several people had remarked
about possible bias, and since I have studied this somewhat, I figured I'd respond. I don't care about the content - my point is that every type of test/questionnaire is biased in some form or another. Meredith Dianne Lewandowski wrote: Did you read the FAQ's page, Meredith? Did that answer any of your concerns? I think that, on a personal level, if you are doing your level best to answer ALL questions as truthfully as possible, it could enlighten you on your belief system. No matter where the questions or answers are placed. I went into this in this manner. Do I think it's probably perfect? Nah. But it does give you reason to think hard. That's always a positive result. I came out left of Ghandi and Mandela. I was pleased to see that, of course, but I didn't realize I was THAT left! g And I had personally hoped I'd be more centered in the libertarian area. huge grin Dianne Meredith wrote: The structure of a questionnaire/test definitely has an effect upon the results. I'm in grad school right now and have studied this in at least two classes. If you want to see more divided results, you don't give a neutral answer choice. Having the positive or negative choice first in the list also makes a difference, as does the order of questions. A general rule of thumb is to put the questions that people are least likely to answer at the end of the questionnaire because they tend to stop upon encountering such a question, and so on. As Mirjam said, "Do you really believe that any test , on political isues , or even political placing , can be tottaly Objective???" It's impossible to write one that's completely unbiased. Meredith mondaymorning wrote: I went to the site and took the test. I felt that the some of the questions were not worded in a way that answers could be given correctly. One example was: Mothers may have careers but their first duty is to be homemakers. One was to answer agree or disagree. I don't think anyone's first duty is to be a homemaker but I sure do think anyone who is a Mother has a duty to put that job first. Being a homemaker and a Mother are not the same thing. There were many other questions which presented the same dilemma. So I got fixed in a position....but was it accurate? I don't think so. "Dianne Lewandowski" wrote in message ... A few months back, someone posted a site with a test to see where you were at on the political scale: right or left. The following site does this a little better, has some interesting statements to make about social and economic "visions", past and current global leaders and where they are in the spector. For those interested in this issue, take the test and read the documentation. I found it fascinating. The questions intriguing, and often times difficult to answer. http://www.digitalronin.f2s.com/poli...ass/index.html |
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Dianne i am sorry if my questions were not clear enough, my question
still stands , Why does one need a test ? or questionaire , to tell one which political side one is ,,,,,, The question was not if you pondered longer or shorter about some of the terms ,, the question was is such a test reliable , and why trust it`s results. The Fact that you tell in your other letter that you came , Left Of Ghandi and Mandella, tells Mountians about the Non objectiviy of the test, Who said that Ghandi was Left??? he wanted Freedom for his Country people yes ? he said he wanteed to support his own livelihood ? yes , But he was a Nationalist ,,, which is usually not considered so left ,,,, makes one wonder , who and why this test was posted . mirjam had trouble with several of the questions. I stood before this question, with the word "homemaker" and pondered it for a very long time. Perhaps we don't HAVE a current word? And perhaps the collective you are redefining it by rejecting what it used to stand for. Or splitting hairs about the definition. I'm not accusing you of this, just commiserating about why the question was phrased this way. It really, really made you think long and hard. But if you stop to think of it, this country (U.S.) is fractured about this issue. So perhaps it was worded just right. g Dianne mondaymorning wrote: I don't hate the word "homemaker" at all. I just don't see it the way you do. My belief is that you may or may not be in the business world and still be or not be a good mother or homemaker. Homemaker to me implies taking care of a home. Mother is taking care of child. I see people who are terrible homemakers but wonderful Mothers and also terrible Mothers but wonderful homemakers. Everyone is a homemaker in some form unless they are fortunate enough to be waited on hand and foot. My problem with the question was that for me, it was two questions in one which would have been answered differently. I answered it by disregarding the second part of the question. I went back to the site after Cheryl's post and did some digging. If you read the "FAQ's" page, most of this is answered. Actually, homemaker and mother go hand in hand. You can't do one without the other. It's the word you hate? Yes, you can put the kid in day care, hire a housekeeper, see the child between work and bedtime, and still be a mother and care about your child. But the question made you stop and think. The FAQ page answers some of this. I'm not saying you're wrong, but either you think children come first above all else and you stay with them (homemaker) or you slightly agree, or slightly disagree or strongly favor one side or the other. If you are being forced to work because of economic times, that won't change your opinion on how you feel it SHOULD be done. Feminists are equating work with freedom, and in my personal opinion, that's rather upside down thinking. I'm going back there today to read a few other pages which I just glossed over yesterday. As the site says: this will get dialogue going, which is so important. I was SHOCKED to see Dean just to the left of Bush. Who fared as a libertarian-left? Kucinich! I'll have to dig further. grin Dianne mondaymorning wrote: I went to the site and took the test. I felt that the some of the questions were not worded in a way that answers could be given correctly. One example was: Mothers may have careers but their first duty is to be homemakers. One was to answer agree or disagree. I don't think anyone's first duty is to be a homemaker but I sure do think anyone who is a Mother has a duty to put that job first. Being a homemaker and a Mother are not the same thing. There were many other questions which presented the same dilemma. So I got fixed in a position....but was it accurate? I don't think so. "Dianne Lewandowski" wrote in message ... A few months back, someone posted a site with a test to see where you were at on the political scale: right or left. The following site does this a little better, has some interesting statements to make about social and economic "visions", past and current global leaders and where they are in the spector. For those interested in this issue, take the test and read the documentation. I found it fascinating. The questions intriguing, and often times difficult to answer. http://www.digitalronin.f2s.com/poli...ass/index.html |
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Thank you Meredith for understanding my exact point ,
mirjam On Fri, 09 Jan 2004 14:07:49 -0500, Meredith wrote: The structure of a questionnaire/test definitely has an effect upon the results. I'm in grad school right now and have studied this in at least two classes. If you want to see more divided results, you don't give a neutral answer choice. Having the positive or negative choice first in the list also makes a difference, as does the order of questions. A general rule of thumb is to put the questions that people are least likely to answer at the end of the questionnaire because they tend to stop upon encountering such a question, and so on. As Mirjam said, "Do you really believe that any test , on political isues , or even political placing , can be tottaly Objective???" It's impossible to write one that's completely unbiased. Meredith mondaymorning wrote: I went to the site and took the test. I felt that the some of the questions were not worded in a way that answers could be given correctly. One example was: Mothers may have careers but their first duty is to be homemakers. One was to answer agree or disagree. I don't think anyone's first duty is to be a homemaker but I sure do think anyone who is a Mother has a duty to put that job first. Being a homemaker and a Mother are not the same thing. There were many other questions which presented the same dilemma. So I got fixed in a position....but was it accurate? I don't think so. "Dianne Lewandowski" wrote in message ... A few months back, someone posted a site with a test to see where you were at on the political scale: right or left. The following site does this a little better, has some interesting statements to make about social and economic "visions", past and current global leaders and where they are in the spector. For those interested in this issue, take the test and read the documentation. I found it fascinating. The questions intriguing, and often times difficult to answer. http://www.digitalronin.f2s.com/poli...ass/index.html |
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Thanks, Tara. I'm now making sense of what people are saying about the
questions. :-) To Meredith: Thanks for the clarification. I was unsure the "gist" of your post. Dianne Tara D wrote: In a radio commercial for negotiation skills, I heard this story (no idea if the story is actually true, it's not listed in Snopes). Asking the right questions. Two priests could not refrain from smoking during prayer. They both wrote a letter to the Pope asking for a ruling on their problem. The Pope gave his permission to smoke during prayer to one priest, but not to the other. Why? One priest asked: May I smoke while I pray? The answer was no. The other priest posed the question differently: May I pray while I smoke? The answer was yes. Tara |
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Laughing out loud , no initials here. Heck, Vic, we have known that for
years!!! Gillian On the other side of the aisle, but still putting out a friendly paw!! "animaux" wrote in message news Okay, before I take the test I will say openly and with pride that, I am a full fledged, card carrying member of the ACLU and firmly on the left side of the aisle, as well as being liberal. Let's see where the test puts me. V On Thu, 08 Jan 2004 15:06:41 -0600, Dianne Lewandowski opined: A few months back, someone posted a site with a test to see where you were at on the political scale: right or left. The following site does this a little better, has some interesting statements to make about social and economic "visions", past and current global leaders and where they are in the spector. For those interested in this issue, take the test and read the documentation. I found it fascinating. The questions intriguing, and often times difficult to answer. http://www.digitalronin.f2s.com/poli...ass/index.html |
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Cheryl, I must see you next time in NH. You sound very much like the woman I
am!! I still believe common sense, kindness and courtesy makes the world a better place!! Of course I am your mother's generation, but the basic tenets hold true. An organisation isn't needed for that!! We each earn our place in "society", and we have the option to climb above it or sink below it.. Not sure if I am making sense, but it is to me. I guess I am sayong that it is up to each individual to make the best of their lives. Gillian "Cheryl Isaak" wrote in message ... American Civil Liberties Union - an interest mix of common sense and complete lack of sense. Very active in the civil rights movements and in prisoners rights. I like some of their work and hate other bits. Cheryl On 1/9/04 11:22 AM, in article , "Mirjam Bruck-Cohen" wrote: Excuse me waht is ACLU ? mirjam never heard this , nore read this ,. On Thu, 08 Jan 2004 23:49:01 GMT, animaux wrote: Okay, before I take the test I will say openly and with pride that, I am a full fledged, card carrying member of the ACLU and firmly on the left side of the aisle, as well as being liberal. Let's see where the test puts me. V On Thu, 08 Jan 2004 15:06:41 -0600, Dianne Lewandowski opined: A few months back, someone posted a site with a test to see where you were at on the political scale: right or left. The following site does this a little better, has some interesting statements to make about social and economic "visions", past and current global leaders and where they are in the spector. For those interested in this issue, take the test and read the documentation. I found it fascinating. The questions intriguing, and often times difficult to answer. http://www.digitalronin.f2s.com/poli...ass/index.html |
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Thank you Tara , that was Hilarious , may i quote this ????
mirjam In a radio commercial for negotiation skills, I heard this story (no idea if the story is actually true, it's not listed in Snopes). Asking the right questions. Two priests could not refrain from smoking during prayer. They both wrote a letter to the Pope asking for a ruling on their problem. The Pope gave his permission to smoke during prayer to one priest, but not to the other. Why? One priest asked: May I smoke while I pray? The answer was no. The other priest posed the question differently: May I pray while I smoke? The answer was yes. Tara |
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