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Old January 3rd 07, 02:17 AM posted to rec.crafts.jewelry
ME
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Default Seeking Advice on jewelry moldings and metal supplys.

Hello (im new here)

I was hoping somebody in this newsgroup might be able to offer me
some advice on a jewellery collection i am trying to market. I already
have a collection made up (not available for viewing yet)which i am
contracted to begin marketing soon but also need to have new designs
made up in the existing style. I am only contracted to the existing
collection and so have no experience dealing with goldsmiths and
jewelers. I was hoping somebody might give me a rough ballpark estimate
with example links to the costs of having new designs made into molds
for gold, silver, white gold, and platinum in the full range of carats.
I am also in the market for perhaps finding a new source for our
gold/silv/platinum supply and wanted to know which countries are
generally concidered the cheapest/best places to buy from. The existing
collection is available in 14carot only, and i am told by the artist
her current goldsmith insists it is not possible to have the current
collection in a higher carat due to the softness of the metals. I am
unsure if this response is simply because the artist does not have the
time to arange higher carats or if the reasons given are genuine. I was
hoping to market the collection as being available in the highest
carats and finest quality diamonds and would apreciate any advice on
limitations that may exist and how i might find a way around these
limitations to provide the best quality materials. So much info exists
on the net, it makes it difficult to filter the quality from the masses
of junk, so im hoping for some pointers or shortcuts here. I will soon
be moving production to eastern europe due to the very low costs of
labour there and so sourcing metals and manufacturing the pieces from
molds are taken care of already. I simply need to have some molds made
up and find a supplier of metals and the finest quality small diamonds
for rings etc.

Many thanks for any advice offered.

A

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Old January 3rd 07, 07:28 AM posted to rec.crafts.jewelry
Abrasha
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Default Seeking Advice on jewelry moldings and metal supplys.

ME wrote:
Hello (im new here)

I was hoping somebody in this newsgroup might be able to offer me
some advice on a jewellery collection i am trying to market. I already
have a collection made up (not available for viewing yet)which i am
contracted to begin marketing soon but also need to have new designs
made up in the existing style. I am only contracted to the existing
collection and so have no experience dealing with goldsmiths and
jewelers. I was hoping somebody might give me a rough ballpark estimate
with example links to the costs of having new designs made into molds
for gold, silver, white gold, and platinum in the full range of carats.
I am also in the market for perhaps finding a new source for our
gold/silv/platinum supply and wanted to know which countries are
generally concidered the cheapest/best places to buy from. The existing
collection is available in 14carot only, and i am told by the artist
her current goldsmith insists it is not possible to have the current
collection in a higher carat due to the softness of the metals. I am
unsure if this response is simply because the artist does not have the
time to arange higher carats or if the reasons given are genuine. I was
hoping to market the collection as being available in the highest
carats and finest quality diamonds and would apreciate any advice on
limitations that may exist and how i might find a way around these
limitations to provide the best quality materials. So much info exists
on the net, it makes it difficult to filter the quality from the masses
of junk, so im hoping for some pointers or shortcuts here. I will soon
be moving production to eastern europe due to the very low costs of
labour there and so sourcing metals and manufacturing the pieces from
molds are taken care of already. I simply need to have some molds made
up and find a supplier of metals and the finest quality small diamonds
for rings etc.

Many thanks for any advice offered.

A


If you have to come here for advice, you are in the wrong business my
friend. Your questions are the ones from someone who has no business
being in this business.

Take your money and run!

--
Abrasha
http://www.abrasha.com
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Old January 3rd 07, 04:21 PM posted to rec.crafts.jewelry
John
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Default Seeking Advice on jewelry moldings and metal supplys.


"ME" wrote in message
news
Hello (im new here)

I was hoping somebody in this newsgroup might be able to offer me
some advice on a jewellery collection i am trying to market. I already
have a collection made up (not available for viewing yet)which i am
contracted to begin marketing soon but also need to have new designs
made up in the existing style. I am only contracted to the existing
collection and so have no experience dealing with goldsmiths and
jewelers. I was hoping somebody might give me a rough ballpark estimate
with example links to the costs of having new designs made into molds
for gold, silver, white gold, and platinum in the full range of carats.
I am also in the market for perhaps finding a new source for our
gold/silv/platinum supply and wanted to know which countries are
generally concidered the cheapest/best places to buy from. The existing
collection is available in 14carot only, and i am told by the artist
her current goldsmith insists it is not possible to have the current
collection in a higher carat due to the softness of the metals. I am
unsure if this response is simply because the artist does not have the
time to arange higher carats or if the reasons given are genuine. I was
hoping to market the collection as being available in the highest
carats and finest quality diamonds and would apreciate any advice on
limitations that may exist and how i might find a way around these
limitations to provide the best quality materials. So much info exists
on the net, it makes it difficult to filter the quality from the masses
of junk, so im hoping for some pointers or shortcuts here. I will soon
be moving production to eastern europe due to the very low costs of
labour there and so sourcing metals and manufacturing the pieces from
molds are taken care of already. I simply need to have some molds made
up and find a supplier of metals and the finest quality small diamonds
for rings etc.

Many thanks for any advice offered.


You gotta be kidding right? You want us to help you to make our lives
harder? It sounds to me like "her current goldsmith" is just about to lose
some work. With the way you're talking about jewellery, you're way out of
your league already.


John

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Old January 3rd 07, 04:48 PM posted to rec.crafts.jewelry
ME
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Default Seeking Advice on jewelry moldings and metal supplys.


Abrasha wrote:

ME wrote:
Hello (im new here)

I was hoping somebody in this newsgroup might be able to offer me
some advice on a jewellery collection i am trying to market. I already
have a collection made up (not available for viewing yet)which i am
contracted to begin marketing soon but also need to have new designs
made up in the existing style. I am only contracted to the existing
collection and so have no experience dealing with goldsmiths and
jewelers. I was hoping somebody might give me a rough ballpark estimate
with example links to the costs of having new designs made into molds
for gold, silver, white gold, and platinum in the full range of carats.
I am also in the market for perhaps finding a new source for our
gold/silv/platinum supply and wanted to know which countries are
generally concidered the cheapest/best places to buy from. The existing
collection is available in 14carot only, and i am told by the artist
her current goldsmith insists it is not possible to have the current
collection in a higher carat due to the softness of the metals. I am
unsure if this response is simply because the artist does not have the
time to arange higher carats or if the reasons given are genuine. I was
hoping to market the collection as being available in the highest
carats and finest quality diamonds and would apreciate any advice on
limitations that may exist and how i might find a way around these
limitations to provide the best quality materials. So much info exists
on the net, it makes it difficult to filter the quality from the masses
of junk, so im hoping for some pointers or shortcuts here. I will soon
be moving production to eastern europe due to the very low costs of
labour there and so sourcing metals and manufacturing the pieces from
molds are taken care of already. I simply need to have some molds made
up and find a supplier of metals and the finest quality small diamonds
for rings etc.

Many thanks for any advice offered.

A


If you have to come here for advice, you are in the wrong business my
friend. Your questions are the ones from someone who has no business
being in this business.

Take your money and run!

--
Abrasha
http://www.abrasha.com


As i stated i am in web design and marketing, not the jewellery trade,
and i have a new and unique collection i am contracted to market and
brand. Would i be right in saying that your comment suggests prior
knowledge of jewelry craft is esential in posting to this group and
that those with purely an interest are not welcome? Perhaps other
people in this group might not appreciate you directing away their
potential business of selling the highest quality and most expensive
materials which i seek?. Perhaps someone with your stance towards
potential new business has no business being in any kind of business
since you have no problem with sending away the potential new business
of other jewelers operating around you. Not a business skill often
found in "the school of common sense business". My questions probably
indeed are nieve since i openly have no knowledge of this trade and
jewellery, however as some might say "everybody must start somewhere"
as you yourself once did. Nobody can ever give thanks to their "start"
without thanking those who were willing to share their knowledge and
cooperate in the first place.

words for thought i hope

Kind regards...A
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Old January 3rd 07, 05:06 PM posted to rec.crafts.jewelry
mbstevens
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Default Seeking Advice on jewelry moldings and metal supplys.

On Wed, 03 Jan 2007 15:48:58 +0000, ME wrote:
The existing
collection is available in 14carot only, and i am told by the artist
her current goldsmith insists it is not possible to have the current
collection in a higher carat due to the softness of the metals. I am
unsure if this response is simply because the artist does not have the
time to arange higher carats or if the reasons given are genuine.


Might well be true. Post links to a site or resource with images
of images of the collection. (Don't send attachments -- this is a text
only newsgroup.) No one will be able to answer that without seeing them.
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Old January 3rd 07, 06:47 PM posted to rec.crafts.jewelry
ME
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Default Seeking Advice on jewelry moldings and metal supplys.

On Wed, 03 Jan 2007 15:21:57 +0000, John wrote:
You gotta be kidding right? You want us to help you to make our lives
harder? It sounds to me like "her current goldsmith" is just about to lose
some work. With the way you're talking about jewellery, you're way out of
your league already.


John


the current goldsmith will be keeping her existing work, I am seeking
to develop "new pieces" which will fall under my own label which will
be marketed alongside the existing collection. If you are not
interested in giving quotes thats fine. I can take my business
elsewhere to people eager to sell there services and make new clients
who will buy the finest materials available. From the replies i am
receiving so far i am suprised people like yourself and the previous
hostile reply manage to forge relationships let alone forge gold. You
people need a lesson in business communication skills and learn to
respect potential business clients even when they may ask questions
that show no prior knowledge of jewelery. For all you know i could have
a global network of stores and you just turned away a million dollar
business deal. Your loss, not mine. Out of my league?.....Do you think
you are helping your own business by telling newcomers they are out of
their league.? You only make yourself sound arrogant and obnoxious. If
you were in any kind of league yourself you would show better business
etiquet rather than your walmart customer service skills. Since you
have no idea how much budget i have to spend you have no way of knowing
if it is yourself who is way out of my league. If i owned a store i
would not employ someone with your attitude to clean the toilets let
alone serve potential clients with your walmart customer service
skills. You are your own worst enemy with your hostile unprovoked
attitude. Perhaps you make nice jewelry but your people and business
skills stink.



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Old January 3rd 07, 06:51 PM posted to rec.crafts.jewelry
mbstevens
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Default Seeking Advice on jewelry moldings and metal supplys.

On Wed, 03 Jan 2007 01:17:27 +0000, ME wrote:

Hello (im new here)

I was hoping somebody in this newsgroup might be able to offer me
some advice....


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Old January 3rd 07, 07:01 PM posted to rec.crafts.jewelry
ME
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Default Seeking Advice on jewelry moldings and metal supplys.

On Wed, 03 Jan 2007 16:06:08 +0000, mbstevens wrote:
mbstevens wrote:

On Wed, 03 Jan 2007 15:48:58 +0000, ME wrote:
The existing
collection is available in 14carot only, and i am told by the artist
her current goldsmith insists it is not possible to have the current
collection in a higher carat due to the softness of the metals. I am
unsure if this response is simply because the artist does not have the
time to arange higher carats or if the reasons given are genuine.


Might well be true. Post links to a site or resource with images
of images of the collection. (Don't send attachments -- this is a text
only newsgroup.) No one will be able to answer that without seeing them.


Unfortunatly i am unable to make photos available at present due to the
jewellery being a unique concept joining specialist textiles to metals
which we are looking into patenting before the new site is launched. I
understand you are unable to give an opinion without seeing the items.
I was actually trying to get an idea into the limitations of softer
metals and how this applies to jewlery. Would i be right in saying that
"any" piece of jewellery can be re designed into a higher carat or are
some carats simply not used in the trade for certain items due to the
softness of the metal?. hypothetical example: Is there a market for 24
carat watches or would a watch be too easily damaged in 24carats?

I guess to sumerize or clearly explain my question: what limitations
will i likely face if i want to have the existing collection and new
designs made into purer materials.? Is the only limitation the
shaping/design of the pieces or are their other conciderations to take
into account?.

Since i am hoping to source the finest materials at the cheapest
possible prices i was hoping you might also have some tips for someone
who has no knowledge of metals and diamonds on where they might begin.
I know that the diamond trade is often seen as highly corrupt and i
would apreciate some pointers or tips on how someone with no
experiences might avoid getting stung without the need for years of
studying metal and diamond quality theory. Can you recommend a well
known reliable wholesale source which is widely recognised in the
industry as being honest and reliable.? I would rather pay a slightly
higher price from a know reputable source than buy from the cheapest
offers. Or perhaps you know which countries are often used in the trade
to source metal and diamond supplies?.

Many thanks .........Regards........A
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Old January 3rd 07, 07:40 PM posted to rec.crafts.jewelry
mbstevens
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On Wed, 03 Jan 2007 18:01:42 +0000, ME wrote:
... Would i be right in saying that
"any" piece of jewellery can be re designed into a higher carat


No. Strength and hardness matter.

or are
some carats simply not used in the trade for certain items due to the
softness of the metal?.


Yes. But karet is not the only influence on softness. Different
metals can be alloyed with gold.

hypothetical example: Is there a market for 24
carat watches or would a watch be too easily damaged in 24carats?


Anyone who owned a solid 24K watch would probably take very good care of
it, even if it did scratch easily. I have seen none at Walmart lately,
but if you visited the Rolex factory you might find some -- I don't know.
If you have that kind of money to throw around, I would certainly do some
statistical market research first, and I would be very, very sure I had
access to high end buyers.



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Old January 3rd 07, 09:53 PM posted to rec.crafts.jewelry
Marilee J. Layman
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Default Seeking Advice on jewelry moldings and metal supplys.

On Wed, 03 Jan 2007 15:48:58 GMT, ME wrote:


Abrasha wrote:

ME wrote:
Hello (im new here)

I was hoping somebody in this newsgroup might be able to offer me
some advice on a jewellery collection i am trying to market. I already
have a collection made up (not available for viewing yet)which i am
contracted to begin marketing soon but also need to have new designs
made up in the existing style. I am only contracted to the existing
collection and so have no experience dealing with goldsmiths and
jewelers.


snip

If you have to come here for advice, you are in the wrong business my
friend. Your questions are the ones from someone who has no business
being in this business.

Take your money and run!

--
Abrasha
http://www.abrasha.com


As i stated i am in web design and marketing, not the jewellery trade,
and i have a new and unique collection i am contracted to market and
brand. Would i be right in saying that your comment suggests prior
knowledge of jewelry craft is esential in posting to this group and
that those with purely an interest are not welcome?


No, but it's certainly required to market it properly.

And you really need to learn how to spell.
--
Marilee J. Layman
http://mjlayman.livejournal.com/

 




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