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  #81  
Old February 12th 04, 02:12 AM
Kandice Seeber
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Totally. Thank you Tina.

--
Kandice Seeber
Air & Earth Designs
http://www.lampwork.net

..."Some people don't know how to start..........."

This is something that should have been addressed. And by the way,

Kandice
is my role model for how to sell on eBay. The difference between selling
wholesale (and for wholesale prices) and selling on eBay is the element of
retailing. A lot of the retailing costs are much lower because eBay
provides much of the advertising and acts as a storefront, without the

rent.

But the other elements of retailing are there. You have to educate your
customers. You have to explain why your product is better, you have to

show
why it's better, and you have to deliver what you claim and have a
consistant product.

Consistant product means you NEVER sell anything but your best, unless you
clearly state that they are seconds, even telling people why they are
seconds. Admitting that "pairs aren't quite the same size ot that the
colors are somewhat muddy, etc. If a lampworker doesn't let the customer
know that they, the artist, know that the color is mudy or the shape is

off,
then I as a customer will assume that the bead maker doesn't know good

from
bad, or is trying to get top price for an inferior (from their usual, eg)
bead.

And you have to show that your beads are worth your asking price. Over

the
net, that means photographic quality that is near professional. If you
aren't that good at photography, have someone else do it, or anticipate
lower prices. My photographics skills, or rather my lack of them, is one
reason why I am selling wholesale.

And you have to take the time to write good copy. That's part of the job

of
marketting. You can ask for whatever price you want, but getting that

price
depends on marketing. Depends on working at marketing.

One reason that eBay can't command the prices a store front does is that,

no
matter what(!), you are always taking a chance on eBay. I might get a

bead
and see something on the back that is either better or less good than I

had
expected. I might get a bead that is wonderful, but have much more purple
or cobalt in it than it seemed to have in it's photo -- so that it's just

as
wonderful as I thought, but not as personally pleasing, and not what I
wanted to spend that much money on (you notice I am not saying it is not
worth the price, but perhaps not worth it to me).

You can't really talk about pricing without talking about selling.

Tina





"meijhana" wrote ...

................... But also, some people don't know how to start, or

how
to
find out the information. Sometimes it's "laziness" (i.e. let eBay sell

the
item for me. If I put it on there, it should automatically sell with
5million bids). I think part of this is not just "let's set prices" but

the
education, also. It's not just support of "aww, poor baby, you aren't
getting your prices, but you need to raise them". But support should

also
be sharing of hints and help. But not specifically "Here's the formula

for
selling your items and making a million like I do". I agree with most
people when someone comes on here, and says "how do I sell, and where?".
There should be some research, and also, each area is different. But
guiding, and hinting is good. And there *are* "here's the formula"

sites
out there! :-)





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  #82  
Old February 12th 04, 03:38 AM
Dr. Sooz
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Kandice, if I didn't know better, I'd say you were a lot older than you really
are. You are wise and thoughtful beyond your years.
~~
Sooz
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"Those in the cheaper seats clap. The rest of you rattle your jewelry." John
Lennon (1940 - 1980) Royal Varieties Performance
~ Dr. Sooz's Bead Links
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  #83  
Old February 12th 04, 03:52 AM
Kandice Seeber
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ROFLMAO!!! I can't stop. I just love the phrase too darn much, and
always imagine it with an evil little girl's voice. Thank your DD for me,
willya? evil grin
--
Kandice Seeber
Air & Earth Designs
http://www.lampwork.net


Heh heh heh



Gee thanks, Kandice. Just when I almost got over the emotional trauma...



  #84  
Old February 12th 04, 03:59 AM
Kandice Seeber
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Thank you for this. Every bead I put up for sale sells in a very short
amount of time, and mostly for a very decent price - even the ones on my
website. I never have any inventory. I know it may sound like I am
bragging, but I am not. I have to disappoint many customers who email or
call and ask what I have on hand that they can buy right now. This is why I
have such a difficult time making up any invetory for a show. It just sells
too fast (not that I'm complaining!!). I feel very very fortunate that this
is the case. Many lampworkers do have a lot of beads in inventory, even
though their beads are just gorgeous. For some reason, people just like my
stuff, and they like how I market my stuff. I am really happy about that!!
Of course, I work like a dog and I have no other life, but that's the way it
goes. I wouldn't change it for millions upon millions of dollars, either.

--
Kandice Seeber
Air & Earth Designs
http://www.lampwork.net

I think that the people complaining about low selling prices should look
inward, rather than outward. If your beads are truly unique and

technically
perfect, you'll have the world beating a path to your door - and probably
sooner rather than later. Kandice, you're a perfect example of this.

(even
though you are evil and "heh, heh, heh" at me all the time) You really
haven't been at your craft for a very long time, but I suspect that you

have
very few beads that go unsold (or sell for a pittance). Your beads are
beautiful, and your customers recognize that they are well worth the

money.


  #85  
Old February 12th 04, 04:00 AM
Kandice Seeber
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I love you. I just love you. insert sappy, girly stuff here

--
Kandice Seeber
Air & Earth Designs
http://www.lampwork.net

Kandice, if I didn't know better, I'd say you were a lot older than you

really
are. You are wise and thoughtful beyond your years.
~~
Sooz
-------
"Those in the cheaper seats clap. The rest of you rattle your jewelry."

John
Lennon (1940 - 1980) Royal Varieties Performance
~ Dr. Sooz's Bead Links
http://airandearth.netfirms.com/soozlinkslist.html



  #86  
Old February 12th 04, 04:06 AM
Dr. Sooz
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I love you. I just love you. insert sappy, girly stuff here

Aw, I'm just trying to get free beads.
~~
Sooz
-------
"Those in the cheaper seats clap. The rest of you rattle your jewelry." John
Lennon (1940 - 1980) Royal Varieties Performance
~ Dr. Sooz's Bead Links
http://airandearth.netfirms.com/soozlinkslist.html
  #87  
Old February 12th 04, 04:47 AM
Kandice Seeber
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Score!!

--
Kandice Seeber
Air & Earth Designs
http://www.lampwork.net

I love you. I just love you. insert sappy, girly stuff here


Aw, I'm just trying to get free beads.
~~
Sooz
-------
"Those in the cheaper seats clap. The rest of you rattle your jewelry."

John
Lennon (1940 - 1980) Royal Varieties Performance
~ Dr. Sooz's Bead Links
http://airandearth.netfirms.com/soozlinkslist.html



  #88  
Old February 12th 04, 10:42 AM
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hi everyone, i'm a newbie to your newsgroup and have only been beading for a
short time... i haven't ventured into lampwork as yet, mostly due to the
expense (but i think my own ignorance lol)... Kandice, I have just had a
look at your website and your jewellery and beads are absolutely
exquisite... I noticed on your auction page that these bracelets initially
started at $9.99 and are now well over $70 -- so it goes to show that the
$9.99 is an attraction that brings in the bids... and it works! BTW is
that price acceptable to you?? or is it only just covering costs? (i only
ask because i don't want to 'overpay' for beads, but i certainly want to
know what they are worth because as the seller & manufacturer you need to
make $$$$$ -- otherwise what is the point! -- Also, I would like to think
that as part of the beading community I'm not hurting any of my
"sisters"...)

I make this post as i have been reading your "Beadmakers Liberation Front"
thread... I, like others within your group, can see both sides. As a
beader, obviously the less i pay for my beads, the more profit goes into my
own pocket and that's only a natural want of anybody. Having said that,
when you see such beautiful beads as Kandice's you can clearly see their
worth and I can see how the collection fettish could quite easily stick.

I will keep reading and throwing my 2c worth in every now & then if that's
ok... I'm just starting up my market here (in Western Australia) and would
like to learn everything possible... oh & Kandice you'll hear from me again,
because my goal now is to buy at least one of your beautiful pieces and I
will also make a point of having a look at the rest of the sites in this
group... I had no idea there was so much variety, and so many talented
people... and i love the way that every piece is as individual as the person
that makes them.

Your friend in beading,
Sharon (no www, no links... yet!)





"Kandice Seeber" wrote in message
...
Thank you for this. Every bead I put up for sale sells in a very short
amount of time, and mostly for a very decent price - even the ones on my
website. I never have any inventory. I know it may sound like I am
bragging, but I am not. I have to disappoint many customers who email or
call and ask what I have on hand that they can buy right now. This is why

I
have such a difficult time making up any invetory for a show. It just

sells
too fast (not that I'm complaining!!). I feel very very fortunate that

this
is the case. Many lampworkers do have a lot of beads in inventory, even
though their beads are just gorgeous. For some reason, people just like my
stuff, and they like how I market my stuff. I am really happy about

that!!
Of course, I work like a dog and I have no other life, but that's the way

it
goes. I wouldn't change it for millions upon millions of dollars, either.

--
Kandice Seeber
Air & Earth Designs
http://www.lampwork.net

I think that the people complaining about low selling prices should look
inward, rather than outward. If your beads are truly unique and

technically
perfect, you'll have the world beating a path to your door - and

probably
sooner rather than later. Kandice, you're a perfect example of this.

(even
though you are evil and "heh, heh, heh" at me all the time) You really
haven't been at your craft for a very long time, but I suspect that you

have
very few beads that go unsold (or sell for a pittance). Your beads are
beautiful, and your customers recognize that they are well worth the

money.




  #89  
Old February 12th 04, 10:56 AM
Kandice Seeber
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Hi Sharon - welcome to the group.
The bead sets that you refer to aren't bracelets, but temporarily strung
bead sets that I have made. Thanks for the kind words! Yes, the auction
prices I am getting are pretty decent. The sets that have 9-13 focals and
some spacers have been going for about $70-$85, and this is pretty good.
The larger sets vary widely - from $90-$140. These are still lower than
retail, but higher than wholesale, and for me that's just fine. I sell many
beads from my website at retail, so it all evens out eventually. If you buy
on ebay from me you will likely never overpay. I think there have only been
two times when a bead set has gone way over what I would have charged
retail. And that was because two people wanted the same set really really
bad. Auctions work that way! I can't speak for anyone else though.
I sure appreciate your comments - and hey, feel free to chime in anytime! We
don't bite...much.

--
Kandice Seeber
Air & Earth Designs
http://www.lampwork.net

hi everyone, i'm a newbie to your newsgroup and have only been beading for

a
short time... i haven't ventured into lampwork as yet, mostly due to the
expense (but i think my own ignorance lol)... Kandice, I have just had a
look at your website and your jewellery and beads are absolutely
exquisite... I noticed on your auction page that these bracelets

initially
started at $9.99 and are now well over $70 -- so it goes to show that the
$9.99 is an attraction that brings in the bids... and it works! BTW is
that price acceptable to you?? or is it only just covering costs? (i only
ask because i don't want to 'overpay' for beads, but i certainly want to
know what they are worth because as the seller & manufacturer you need to
make $$$$$ -- otherwise what is the point! -- Also, I would like to think
that as part of the beading community I'm not hurting any of my
"sisters"...)

I make this post as i have been reading your "Beadmakers Liberation Front"
thread... I, like others within your group, can see both sides. As a
beader, obviously the less i pay for my beads, the more profit goes into

my
own pocket and that's only a natural want of anybody. Having said that,
when you see such beautiful beads as Kandice's you can clearly see their
worth and I can see how the collection fettish could quite easily stick.

I will keep reading and throwing my 2c worth in every now & then if that's
ok... I'm just starting up my market here (in Western Australia) and

would
like to learn everything possible... oh & Kandice you'll hear from me

again,
because my goal now is to buy at least one of your beautiful pieces and I
will also make a point of having a look at the rest of the sites in this
group... I had no idea there was so much variety, and so many talented
people... and i love the way that every piece is as individual as the

person
that makes them.

Your friend in beading,
Sharon (no www, no links... yet!)





"Kandice Seeber" wrote in message
...
Thank you for this. Every bead I put up for sale sells in a very short
amount of time, and mostly for a very decent price - even the ones on my
website. I never have any inventory. I know it may sound like I am
bragging, but I am not. I have to disappoint many customers who email

or
call and ask what I have on hand that they can buy right now. This is

why
I
have such a difficult time making up any invetory for a show. It just

sells
too fast (not that I'm complaining!!). I feel very very fortunate that

this
is the case. Many lampworkers do have a lot of beads in inventory, even
though their beads are just gorgeous. For some reason, people just like

my
stuff, and they like how I market my stuff. I am really happy about

that!!
Of course, I work like a dog and I have no other life, but that's the

way
it
goes. I wouldn't change it for millions upon millions of dollars,

either.

--
Kandice Seeber
Air & Earth Designs
http://www.lampwork.net

I think that the people complaining about low selling prices should

look
inward, rather than outward. If your beads are truly unique and

technically
perfect, you'll have the world beating a path to your door - and

probably
sooner rather than later. Kandice, you're a perfect example of this.

(even
though you are evil and "heh, heh, heh" at me all the time) You

really
haven't been at your craft for a very long time, but I suspect that

you
have
very few beads that go unsold (or sell for a pittance). Your beads

are
beautiful, and your customers recognize that they are well worth the

money.






  #90  
Old February 12th 04, 12:24 PM
zakvesh
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Hi Kandice, i've had a bit of a search around ebay & doesn't seem to be much
the same quality as yours. Which leads me into my next chime hehe lol --
the lower quality beads that i've looked at are cheap -- both in $$$ &
appearance... a lot of them i wouldn't even think about bidding on let alone
watching the auction, they are just not the beauty that a lampwork bead
should be... It goes back to the question/thread that i've read here
recently -- a profession or a hobby! My jewellery making is a hobby, and i
do it because i love making them & giving them as gifts -- it's only since
christmas my friends have been on at me to sell them, hence my venture into
ebay... still to set myself up as a sell er, but will be sure to post my url
when i do...

The bead sets that you refer to aren't bracelets, but temporarily strung
bead sets that I have made.


Kandice, are these able to be split & rewired with clasps etc... what
materials would you recommend using, ie. anything different from my normal
beading -- i would rewire them in exactly the same way you prepare them, do
you sell made jewellery pieces too???

Thank you for making me feel welcome, i look forward to getting to know you
all better...

Cheerz,
Sharon


"Kandice Seeber" wrote in message
...
Hi Sharon - welcome to the group.
The bead sets that you refer to aren't bracelets, but temporarily strung
bead sets that I have made. Thanks for the kind words! Yes, the auction
prices I am getting are pretty decent. The sets that have 9-13 focals and
some spacers have been going for about $70-$85, and this is pretty good.
The larger sets vary widely - from $90-$140. These are still lower than
retail, but higher than wholesale, and for me that's just fine. I sell

many
beads from my website at retail, so it all evens out eventually. If you

buy
on ebay from me you will likely never overpay. I think there have only

been
two times when a bead set has gone way over what I would have charged
retail. And that was because two people wanted the same set really really
bad. Auctions work that way! I can't speak for anyone else

though.
I sure appreciate your comments - and hey, feel free to chime in anytime!

We
don't bite...much.

--
Kandice Seeber
Air & Earth Designs
http://www.lampwork.net

hi everyone, i'm a newbie to your newsgroup and have only been beading

for
a
short time... i haven't ventured into lampwork as yet, mostly due to

the
expense (but i think my own ignorance lol)... Kandice, I have just had a
look at your website and your jewellery and beads are absolutely
exquisite... I noticed on your auction page that these bracelets

initially
started at $9.99 and are now well over $70 -- so it goes to show that

the
$9.99 is an attraction that brings in the bids... and it works! BTW is
that price acceptable to you?? or is it only just covering costs? (i

only
ask because i don't want to 'overpay' for beads, but i certainly want to
know what they are worth because as the seller & manufacturer you need

to
make $$$$$ -- otherwise what is the point! -- Also, I would like to

think
that as part of the beading community I'm not hurting any of my
"sisters"...)

I make this post as i have been reading your "Beadmakers Liberation

Front"
thread... I, like others within your group, can see both sides. As a
beader, obviously the less i pay for my beads, the more profit goes into

my
own pocket and that's only a natural want of anybody. Having said that,
when you see such beautiful beads as Kandice's you can clearly see their
worth and I can see how the collection fettish could quite easily stick.

I will keep reading and throwing my 2c worth in every now & then if

that's
ok... I'm just starting up my market here (in Western Australia) and

would
like to learn everything possible... oh & Kandice you'll hear from me

again,
because my goal now is to buy at least one of your beautiful pieces and

I
will also make a point of having a look at the rest of the sites in this
group... I had no idea there was so much variety, and so many talented
people... and i love the way that every piece is as individual as the

person
that makes them.

Your friend in beading,
Sharon (no www, no links... yet!)





"Kandice Seeber" wrote in message
...
Thank you for this. Every bead I put up for sale sells in a very short
amount of time, and mostly for a very decent price - even the ones on

my
website. I never have any inventory. I know it may sound like I am
bragging, but I am not. I have to disappoint many customers who email

or
call and ask what I have on hand that they can buy right now. This is

why
I
have such a difficult time making up any invetory for a show. It just

sells
too fast (not that I'm complaining!!). I feel very very fortunate

that
this
is the case. Many lampworkers do have a lot of beads in inventory,

even
though their beads are just gorgeous. For some reason, people just

like
my
stuff, and they like how I market my stuff. I am really happy about

that!!
Of course, I work like a dog and I have no other life, but that's the

way
it
goes. I wouldn't change it for millions upon millions of dollars,

either.

--
Kandice Seeber
Air & Earth Designs
http://www.lampwork.net

I think that the people complaining about low selling prices should

look
inward, rather than outward. If your beads are truly unique and
technically
perfect, you'll have the world beating a path to your door - and

probably
sooner rather than later. Kandice, you're a perfect example of

this.
(even
though you are evil and "heh, heh, heh" at me all the time) You

really
haven't been at your craft for a very long time, but I suspect that

you
have
very few beads that go unsold (or sell for a pittance). Your beads

are
beautiful, and your customers recognize that they are well worth the
money.








 




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