Wine coolers

But if you add water then the ice cubes don't get in the way. They simply
slide away. The ice bucket must be large enough to hold the width of the
ice (plus a smidge) and the bottle. If you make a double walled piece then
it has to be large enough for the cubes, the bottle, and the inner wall.
JMO but a double walled piece doesn't make sense to me unless there is
something I'm missing. If it didn't have holes then the bottle would stay
dry but it would not be as chilled. How in the world do you get both walls
up so high? I can't even imagine throwing that piece. Have I rambled
enough yet?

Donna


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i make wine cooler ice buckets. make a "chip n dip" style bowl, and
put holes into the inner one like a collander. fill the outer one
with ice and add water. put the wine bottle in the middle one. the
wine bottle gets cold and th eice cubes do not get in the way of the
bottle.

~ just make the inner cylinder tall

see ya

steve





On Jun 7, 2:41 pm, "DKat" wrote:
This was a 'duhh' moment for me as well. I just never put 2 and 2
together.
You fill a tub or ice chest full of ice to keep drinks chilled, have a
terrible time getting the cans and bottles down into the ice, then the
ice
melts and the hard part is sticking your hand into the ice water to pull
out
the drink. Moving things around and adding more drinks is no problem.
When
I read that you are supposed to put water in with the ice of your wine
coolers so that the bottle goes in and out easily, I wanted to smack
myself
upside the head. Donna

"Elaine Stutt" wrote in message

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"DKat" ) writes:
If you want it that chilled then what you want is a container larger
enough
to hold the bottle, and the width of the ice cube (plus when you are
making
it the percent shrinkage you will get in the clay between making and
last
firing). You put in ice and water (half way up), then your wine
bottle.
The water allows the ice to move freely and you don't have to worry
about
getting the bottle in and out. You would want a towel of course to
wipe
the
bottle down or you could simple put it in a decorative plastic bag
that
the
bottle could then slip in and out of. This is what they do for
Champaign
and many other chilled drinks.

Donna

Ah, but a half filled bucket is such an easy solution. My design
fantasies
always get SO convoluted. This is why I usually don't actually make
them.

Elaine

"Elaine Stutt" wrote in message
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"Bubbles_" ) writes:
"Red Deer" wrote in message
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Hi Everyone,
I've been invited to sell my pots at a wine festival in June. I
make
stoneware pots but I wanted to make some wine cooler pots for this
event and I was wondering if stoneware will work as a wine cooler.
All my glazes are cone 6. If I just bisque them, will that work?
I
want to at least put some glaze on maybe the bottom third of the
pot.
Do I need to make the little saucer for it to sit on? Does anyone
know if stoneware wine coolers work if they are fired to cone 6?
Thanks,
Sandi

Stoneware does not absorb water. Wine-coolers cool because the water
they
have lain in has been absorbed and then evaporates. The evaporation
causes
the cooling.

It is so that unglazed porous ware will cool by evaporation, but it
may
not cool that much or that fast. I've found that those wines that
are
designed to be consumed cold or icy, lose quality fast as they warm.
I was pondering making a wine cooler and, for me, it would have to
contain
ice so glazed stoneware would be fine.

I was thinking of making a double walled one ( I may have seen one ).
The wine bottle is in the center and a perforated wall keeps the ice
away from the bottle so it's easy to pull out and put back in. The
wall
is perforated so the water can cool the bottle. Water and ice cools
faster than just ice and salted ice water is supposed to be the best.

Unfortunately, double walls will end up making it bigger and heavier.
Could you put some of those freezer packs in to avoid using bulky
ice cubes? Details details.

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Hey Donna:
Can't imagine throwing that tall?
How about imagining a slab made one?
g
You can always make it two pieces, throw the outside ice bowl, and
hand build the slab inner cylinder. Or hand build both!

Best,
Wayne Seidl

DKat wrote:
But if you add water then the ice cubes don't get in the way. They simply
slide away. The ice bucket must be large enough to hold the width of the
ice (plus a smidge) and the bottle. If you make a double walled piece then
it has to be large enough for the cubes, the bottle, and the inner wall.
JMO but a double walled piece doesn't make sense to me unless there is
something I'm missing. If it didn't have holes then the bottle would stay
dry but it would not be as chilled. How in the world do you get both walls
up so high? I can't even imagine throwing that piece. Have I rambled
enough yet?

Donna

Throwing that tall isn't an issue. Throwing a doubled wall cylinder that
tall and that wide is. I image the inner cylinder as ~ 4"+ shrinkage in
diameter - the outer wall ~6".

This isn't something I want to do. As I said the bucket would serve the
purpose in my minds eye. I just can't imagine Steve making the piece. It
strikes me as difficult at best. I would love to see a video of it.

Donna


"WJS" wrote in message
...
Hey Donna:
Can't imagine throwing that tall?
How about imagining a slab made one?
g
You can always make it two pieces, throw the outside ice bowl, and
hand build the slab inner cylinder. Or hand build both!

Best,
Wayne Seidl

DKat wrote:
But if you add water then the ice cubes don't get in the way. They
simply slide away. The ice bucket must be large enough to hold the width
of the ice (plus a smidge) and the bottle. If you make a double walled
piece then it has to be large enough for the cubes, the bottle, and the
inner wall. JMO but a double walled piece doesn't make sense to me unless
there is something I'm missing. If it didn't have holes then the bottle
would stay dry but it would not be as chilled. How in the world do you
get both walls up so high? I can't even imagine throwing that piece.
Have I rambled enough yet?

Donna

i'll have to post a picture...

the idea of a BIG chip n dipper is handy for lots of things. thing
big. a big bowl in the middle with a BIG bowl on the outside is handy
to have as a refridgerator for potaoe salad. put ice in the outer
bowl, then the inner bowl with potatoe salad stays cold.

or use an ice ring on the outer bowl and cover the ice with shrimp.
use a more "nomal" size inner bowl for the shrimp sauce.

for wine i use a tall-ish cylinder for the bottle holding part, with
(no holes to the bottom so it doesn't leak to the table) holes to the
outer bowl which is also tall-ish. this make a great water chiller.
certainly it's just ice water, but COLD.

ever hear of beer can chicken? the idea of emptying 1/2 a can of beer
(my GOD! don't just pour it on the ground!) and add spices and bar-b-
q sauce into the can. stuff the beer can up a chicken's butt, and bar-
b-q on slow with the chicken standing up.

~ well, i made another chip n dipper bowl to do the same thing since i
don't often use beer cans (more into bottle beer). the inner thin
cylinder holds the beer-spice stuff. it goes up a chicken's butt, and
the outer bowl helps support the overall chicken in the bar-b-q.

~ bar-b-q slow to not crack the pot...

....you all need to come over some day....

see ya

steve




On Jun 9, 11:42 am, "DKat" wrote:
Throwing that tall isn't an issue. Throwing a doubled wall cylinder that
tall and that wide is. I image the inner cylinder as ~ 4"+ shrinkage in
diameter - the outer wall ~6".

This isn't something I want to do. As I said the bucket would serve the
purpose in my minds eye. I just can't imagine Steve making the piece. It
strikes me as difficult at best. I would love to see a video of it.

Donna

"WJS" wrote in message

...



Hey Donna:
Can't imagine throwing that tall?
How about imagining a slab made one?
g
You can always make it two pieces, throw the outside ice bowl, and
hand build the slab inner cylinder. Or hand build both!

Best,
Wayne Seidl

DKat wrote:
But if you add water then the ice cubes don't get in the way. They
simply slide away. The ice bucket must be large enough to hold the width
of the ice (plus a smidge) and the bottle. If you make a double walled
piece then it has to be large enough for the cubes, the bottle, and the
inner wall. JMO but a double walled piece doesn't make sense to me unless
there is something I'm missing. If it didn't have holes then the bottle
would stay dry but it would not be as chilled. How in the world do you
get both walls up so high? I can't even imagine throwing that piece.
Have I rambled enough yet?

Donna- Hide quoted text -

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I was real enthused until I got to the part of the beer can up the chickens
ass... That is going to take a bit of re-thinking.

Please post the pictures. Looking forward to seeing them! Donna

wrote in message
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i'll have to post a picture...

the idea of a BIG chip n dipper is handy for lots of things. thing
big. a big bowl in the middle with a BIG bowl on the outside is handy
to have as a refridgerator for potaoe salad. put ice in the outer
bowl, then the inner bowl with potatoe salad stays cold.

or use an ice ring on the outer bowl and cover the ice with shrimp.
use a more "nomal" size inner bowl for the shrimp sauce.

for wine i use a tall-ish cylinder for the bottle holding part, with
(no holes to the bottom so it doesn't leak to the table) holes to the
outer bowl which is also tall-ish. this make a great water chiller.
certainly it's just ice water, but COLD.

ever hear of beer can chicken? the idea of emptying 1/2 a can of beer
(my GOD! don't just pour it on the ground!) and add spices and bar-b-
q sauce into the can. stuff the beer can up a chicken's butt, and bar-
b-q on slow with the chicken standing up.

~ well, i made another chip n dipper bowl to do the same thing since i
don't often use beer cans (more into bottle beer). the inner thin
cylinder holds the beer-spice stuff. it goes up a chicken's butt, and
the outer bowl helps support the overall chicken in the bar-b-q.

~ bar-b-q slow to not crack the pot...

...you all need to come over some day....

see ya

steve




On Jun 9, 11:42 am, "DKat" wrote:
Throwing that tall isn't an issue. Throwing a doubled wall cylinder that
tall and that wide is. I image the inner cylinder as ~ 4"+ shrinkage in
diameter - the outer wall ~6".

This isn't something I want to do. As I said the bucket would serve the
purpose in my minds eye. I just can't imagine Steve making the piece.
It
strikes me as difficult at best. I would love to see a video of it.

Donna

"WJS" wrote in message

...



Hey Donna:
Can't imagine throwing that tall?
How about imagining a slab made one?
g
You can always make it two pieces, throw the outside ice bowl, and
hand build the slab inner cylinder. Or hand build both!

Best,
Wayne Seidl

DKat wrote:
But if you add water then the ice cubes don't get in the way. They
simply slide away. The ice bucket must be large enough to hold the
width
of the ice (plus a smidge) and the bottle. If you make a double
walled
piece then it has to be large enough for the cubes, the bottle, and
the
inner wall. JMO but a double walled piece doesn't make sense to me
unless
there is something I'm missing. If it didn't have holes then the
bottle
would stay dry but it would not be as chilled. How in the world do
you
get both walls up so high? I can't even imagine throwing that piece.
Have I rambled enough yet?

Donna- Hide quoted text -

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here's a fast rendering of a "beer can chicken" roaster made from
clay, OR the idea of a wine cooler that would have the ice cube kept
away from the bottle.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/25079201@N00/545125153/

the beer can goes "up the chicken" where stuffing usually goes. he
needs to sit up on top of the can. so this roaster (without the holes
to cook chicken) would be a roaster pan with the fluids in the middle
portion.

happy cooking!

see ya

steve





On Jun 9, 6:03 pm, "DKat" wrote:
I was real enthused until I got to the part of the beer can up the chickens
ass... That is going to take a bit of re-thinking.

Please post the pictures. Looking forward to seeing them! Donna

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i'll have to post a picture...

the idea of a BIG chip n dipper is handy for lots of things. thing
big. a big bowl in the middle with a BIG bowl on the outside is handy
to have as a refridgerator for potaoe salad. put ice in the outer
bowl, then the inner bowl with potatoe salad stays cold.

or use an ice ring on the outer bowl and cover the ice with shrimp.
use a more "nomal" size inner bowl for the shrimp sauce.

for wine i use a tall-ish cylinder for the bottle holding part, with
(no holes to the bottom so it doesn't leak to the table) holes to the
outer bowl which is also tall-ish. this make a great water chiller.
certainly it's just ice water, but COLD.

ever hear of beer can chicken? the idea of emptying 1/2 a can of beer
(my GOD! don't just pour it on the ground!) and add spices and bar-b-
q sauce into the can. stuff the beer can up a chicken's butt, and bar-
b-q on slow with the chicken standing up.

~ well, i made another chip n dipper bowl to do the same thing since i
don't often use beer cans (more into bottle beer). the inner thin
cylinder holds the beer-spice stuff. it goes up a chicken's butt, and
the outer bowl helps support the overall chicken in the bar-b-q.

~ bar-b-q slow to not crack the pot...

...you all need to come over some day....

see ya

steve

On Jun 9, 11:42 am, "DKat" wrote:
Throwing that tall isn't an issue. Throwing a doubled wall cylinder that
tall and that wide is. I image the inner cylinder as ~ 4"+ shrinkage in
diameter - the outer wall ~6".

This isn't something I want to do. As I said the bucket would serve the
purpose in my minds eye. I just can't imagine Steve making the piece.
It
strikes me as difficult at best. I would love to see a video of it.

Donna

"WJS" wrote in message

om...

Hey Donna:
Can't imagine throwing that tall?
How about imagining a slab made one?
g
You can always make it two pieces, throw the outside ice bowl, and
hand build the slab inner cylinder. Or hand build both!

Best,
Wayne Seidl

DKat wrote:
But if you add water then the ice cubes don't get in the way. They
simply slide away. The ice bucket must be large enough to hold the
width
of the ice (plus a smidge) and the bottle. If you make a double
walled
piece then it has to be large enough for the cubes, the bottle, and
the
inner wall. JMO but a double walled piece doesn't make sense to me
unless
there is something I'm missing. If it didn't have holes then the
bottle
would stay dry but it would not be as chilled. How in the world do
you
get both walls up so high? I can't even imagine throwing that piece.
Have I rambled enough yet?

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Hang on I will reply as soon As I Stop Laughing(cone 9 you idiot)

"Red Deer" wrote in message
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Hi Everyone,
I've been invited to sell my pots at a wine festival in June. I make
stoneware pots but I wanted to make some wine cooler pots for this
event and I was wondering if stoneware will work as a wine cooler.
All my glazes are cone 6. If I just bisque them, will that work? I
want to at least put some glaze on maybe the bottom third of the pot.
Do I need to make the little saucer for it to sit on? Does anyone
know if stoneware wine coolers work if they are fired to cone 6?
Thanks,
Sandi