OT Mostly - copyright ? regarding translating

Does anyone know what the rules are with regard to copyright and
translations? Does anyone know where I can find out?
For example: if I translate a published piece into another language and
quote the source and don't use the photos can I use the translation? Not
for resale or profit, but just to inform others who are not able to read
the original language?
Any help is appreciated.
Jeanine in Canada

"Jeanine3" wrote...
Does anyone know what the rules are with regard to copyright and
translations? Does anyone know where I can find out?
For example: if I translate a published piece into another language and
quote the source and don't use the photos can I use the translation? Not
for resale or profit, but just to inform others who are not able to read
the original language?

A great big "it depends". A translation of a literary work is itself
copyright, since the translation involves creative choices--different
translations can be very different.
Translations of other things will depend on what is being translated and
how it is being translated.
Dawne

Dawne Peterson wrote:
"Jeanine3" wrote...

Does anyone know what the rules are with regard to copyright and
translations? Does anyone know where I can find out?
For example: if I translate a published piece into another language and
quote the source and don't use the photos can I use the translation? Not
for resale or profit, but just to inform others who are not able to read
the original language?

A great big "it depends". A translation of a literary work is itself
copyright, since the translation involves creative choices--different
translations can be very different.
Translations of other things will depend on what is being translated and
how it is being translated.

Don't translators have to get permission in order to translate, though?

Elizabeth
--
*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~living well is the best revenge~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*
The most important thing one woman can do for another is to illuminate
and expand her sense of actual possibilities. --Adrienne Rich
*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~ *~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*

This is what I'm wondering... to be more specific, I'm not translating
entire books, just chapters or even paragraphs of mostly historical info
and technique (needlework related). Since there are no stitch diagrams
I'd have to make my own or at least scan any of my own experiments on my
doodle cloth. Again, this is not to be published - but I don't want to
get into trouble either. Would forming a synopsis of the direct
translation be safer (even if you quoted where you read it like a
bibliography?) I wonder.
Jeanine in Canada

Dr. Brat wrote:


Don't translators have to get permission in order to translate, though?

Elizabeth

Jeanine3 wrote:
This is what I'm wondering... to be more specific, I'm not translating
entire books, just chapters or even paragraphs of mostly historical info
and technique (needlework related). Since there are no stitch diagrams
I'd have to make my own or at least scan any of my own experiments on my
doodle cloth. Again, this is not to be published - but I don't want to
get into trouble either. Would forming a synopsis of the direct
translation be safer (even if you quoted where you read it like a
bibliography?) I wonder.

If I were you, I would look up copyright rules under "fair use." In
other words, part of copywritten material may be used for teaching and
learning purposes as long as the teacher or employer owns an original
and as long as only a small percentage of the work in copied. Be sure
to cite the parts you translate and to note that it is your translation.

Elizabeth
--
*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~living well is the best revenge~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*
The most important thing one woman can do for another is to illuminate
and expand her sense of actual possibilities. --Adrienne Rich
*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~ *~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*

I see nothing (could have missed it) under "fair use" that directly
mentions translations, however I did find this:

http://www.legal-database.com/derivative-work.htm

Please forgive me as pasting it here is probably copyright infringement
so I just put the url. It's supposed to be "easy to understand" but I
don't understand it at all. :-(

thanks for the help!
Jeanine in Canada

Dr. Brat wrote:

If I were you, I would look up copyright rules under "fair use." In
other words, part of copywritten material may be used for teaching and
learning purposes as long as the teacher or employer owns an original
and as long as only a small percentage of the work in copied. Be sure
to cite the parts you translate and to note that it is your translation.

Elizabeth

Elizabeth wrote
If I were you, I would look up copyright rules under "fair use." In
other words, part of copywritten material may be used for teaching and
learning purposes as long as the teacher or employer owns an original
and as long as only a small percentage of the work in copied. Be sure
to cite the parts you translate and to note that it is your translation.

I wondered if this might not be a bit like recipes. Recipes cannot be
copyrighted, but the formatting, writing style etc of a recipe book
certainly can be. Not what you say, in that instance, but how you say it.
How one does a stitch is kind of like the ingredients of a recipe--but
exactly how you explain and diagram it might be particiular to an author.
(I am not explaining this very well!!). There are only so many ways to say
"wrap the thread around the needle 3 times", and I think that is parallel
to "cream butter and sugar". Does this make sense??
Dawne

On Mon, 05 Jul 2004 03:18:43 GMT, "Dr. Brat"
wrote:

copywritten
Copyrighted.
Darla
Sacred cows make great hamburgers.

If it is a row or two , it is enough that you quote where you
translated it from [and say you translated it !!!] if it is a cahpter
you better ask the publisher .
about a synopsys , if you write it for your own teaching ,, no need to
ask permission.

mirjam

This is what I'm wondering... to be more specific, I'm not translating
entire books, just chapters or even paragraphs of mostly historical info
and technique (needlework related). Since there are no stitch diagrams
I'd have to make my own or at least scan any of my own experiments on my
doodle cloth. Again, this is not to be published - but I don't want to
get into trouble either. Would forming a synopsis of the direct
translation be safer (even if you quoted where you read it like a
bibliography?) I wonder.
Jeanine in Canada

Dr. Brat wrote:


Don't translators have to get permission in order to translate, though?

Elizabeth

"Dr. Brat" wrote...
Don't translators have to get permission in order to translate, though?

Absolutely. Good point.
Dawne