Question about jeweler's tools

I bought some tools from the flea market and the seller told me that
he thought that they might be jeweler's tools. I was hoping that
someone here could take a look and maybe identify them for me, I
looked on the web but didn't see anything like them.

http://jtphotos.blogspot.com/


Thanks,
Rob

The tools look old, old, old. But items 4 and 5 remind me of a burnisher and
a prong setter. In fact I have both and use them, if that is what they
indeed are.

"R.H." wrote in message
...
I bought some tools from the flea market and the seller told me that
he thought that they might be jeweler's tools. I was hoping that
someone here could take a look and maybe identify them for me, I
looked on the web but didn't see anything like them.

http://jtphotos.blogspot.com/


Thanks,
Rob

On Sun, 22 Aug 2004 03:53:15 GMT, in rec.crafts.jewelry (R.H.)
wrote:

I bought some tools from the flea market and the seller told me that
he thought that they might be jeweler's tools. I was hoping that
someone here could take a look and maybe identify them for me, I
looked on the web but didn't see anything like them.

http://jtphotos.blogspot.com/


Thanks,
Rob

Rob,

I'm not positive, but I'll bet that what you've got are not actually jewelers
tools, but those of the related trade, watch and clock making. In particular,
I'd bet these are clockmakers or repairers tools. The two pliers appear to be
highly specialized. Number five sort of resembles a sort of plier that is used
to open the links on some types of watch bracelets or clasps, but not quite, what
with that gap machined into the one jaw. the other plier is unfamilier, but I'll
bet it's intended for some specific adjustment task in a clock movement. I'll
bet both are such, ascually. the handle with the rod looks rather like a
mainspring winding tool. the other handled tool is the only one that's obvious
to a jeweler. it's a burnisher, and a rather old one at that. They are used by
jewelers to polish areas, and in particular, to rub over bezel settings holding
cabochon stones. The clock makers use them to help secure the jeweled bearings
in which gear shafts run, and the like. It's size is what suggests clock making,
rather than watch making, as watchmakers tools tend to be a good deal smaller.
The odd tool with the two "pedestiles" and opposing pins (one of which seems to
be missing) looks very like some variation on a poising tool, which is used to
help balance the wheels, movement parts, etc, in watch and clock movements.
Well, I think that's what it may be... I'm more familier with the rather more
precise versions used for balance wheel adjustments in watchmaking, but this sure
looks somewhat similar, if cruder...

Hope that's of use.

Peter

Lamedeer wrote:

The tools look old, old, old. But items 4 and 5 remind me of a burnisher and
a prong setter. In fact I have both and use them, if that is what they
indeed are.

"R.H." wrote in message
...

I bought some tools from the flea market and the seller told me that
he thought that they might be jeweler's tools. I was hoping that
someone here could take a look and maybe identify them for me, I
looked on the web but didn't see anything like them.

http://jtphotos.blogspot.com/

I'm pretty sure #3 is a watch or clock makers tool.
Try on alt.horology

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"Clutter"? This is an object-rich environment.

"Lamedeer" wrote in message
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The tools look old, old, old. But items 4 and 5 remind me of a burnisher and
a prong setter. In fact I have both and use them, if that is what they
indeed are.



Thanks for the reply.

Rob

I'm pretty sure #3 is a watch or clock makers tool.
Try on alt.horology



Thanks, I'll check with out their newsgroup later this week.

Rob

Thanks for taking the time to post all of that info, I'm planning on
posting some of them to my web site which contains photos of unusual
tools and uncommon objects. I've been posting links to it on
rec.puzzles for people there to guess/figure out what the items are.
If anyone is interested, they can be seen he

http://puzzlephotos.blogspot.com/


Rob












I'm not positive, but I'll bet that what you've got are not actually jewelers
tools, but those of the related trade, watch and clock making. In particular,
I'd bet these are clockmakers or repairers tools. The two pliers appear to be
highly specialized. Number five sort of resembles a sort of plier that is used
to open the links on some types of watch bracelets or clasps, but not quite, what
with that gap machined into the one jaw. the other plier is unfamilier, but I'll
bet it's intended for some specific adjustment task in a clock movement. I'll
bet both are such, ascually. the handle with the rod looks rather like a
mainspring winding tool. the other handled tool is the only one that's obvious
to a jeweler. it's a burnisher, and a rather old one at that. They are used by
jewelers to polish areas, and in particular, to rub over bezel settings holding
cabochon stones. The clock makers use them to help secure the jeweled bearings
in which gear shafts run, and the like. It's size is what suggests clock making,
rather than watch making, as watchmakers tools tend to be a good deal smaller.
The odd tool with the two "pedestiles" and opposing pins (one of which seems to
be missing) looks very like some variation on a poising tool, which is used to
help balance the wheels, movement parts, etc, in watch and clock movements.
Well, I think that's what it may be... I'm more familier with the rather more
precise versions used for balance wheel adjustments in watchmaking, but this sure
looks somewhat similar, if cruder...

Hope that's of use.

Peter

"Carl West" I'm pretty sure #3 is a watch or clock makers tool.

Looks like a dop transfer fixture to me. It even has dops in it, why so
many of them is not clear.

It is used to transfer a stone whose pavilion has been faceted to another
dop so that the crown can be faceted.

If you go to my EasyGem page you can see a greatly simplified version
without all the clutter.

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On Sun, 22 Aug 2004 20:01:03 -0700, in ¸ô Jack Schmidling wrote:


Looks like a dop transfer fixture to me. It even has dops in it, why so
many of them is not clear.

Yes, there's a resemblance, Jack. But if you take a closer look, I think you'll
find differences that make that suggestion unlikely. For one, look at the scale
of the tool Judging by the look of the photo and details therein, I'd say that
thing is only about 3-4 inches wide. That would make those "dops" very thin
needles, perhaps 1/16" thickness, which no faceting machine I've ever heard of
uses (almost all use 1/4 inch or larger). More, they're sharpened to at least
blunt points. not so good for mounting a stone on. and the second set of
needles (one is missing, I think, would interfere with mounting the first stone
if one were to try and simultaneously mount a second stone. No, I'm pretty sure
this is related to a watchmakers poising tool, in which a balance wheel is
suspended between two points on it's axis, to check it for balance or true
rotation. Now, the second set of needles mean it's likely actually something
slightly different, but i'd still bet there is some such function more related to
watch, clock, or instrument making than to lapidary. But who knows. Like most
of us, I'm just guessing too.

Peter

"Peter W.. Rowe,"

For one, look at the scale of the tool Judging by the look of the photo
and details therein, I'd say that thing is only about 3-4 inches wide.

That's a tough call as the clues are pretty limited. I was thinking about
twice that size but could be a foot long for all that.

That would make those "dops" very thin
needles, perhaps 1/16" thickness, which no faceting machine I've ever
heard of
uses (almost all use 1/4 inch or larger).

Then again, it looks very old and could be any some odd size. I have never
cut tiny stones but would presume the dops would have to be relatively
smaller and specalized.

More, they're sharpened to at least blunt points. not so good for mounting
a stone on..

I was looking at the two points facing each other and they seem like they
could be flat and/or concave cones. The blunt ends could be just handles
for manipulating but beyond that, there is too much stuff that I do not
understand so if the watchmaker thing makes sense to you, I conceede.

js


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