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"Craftology" wrote in message
... : SO let me get this straight. You would have preferred that I responded to : Sooz's "kiss my ass" post by saying "lick my hole"? Or maybe "that's a bunch : of horse ****?" Or "screw you Sooz" THAT is better to you? : I'm ROFL here. If you can't understand the concept of indignant anger vs. the infliction of deliberate cruelty, I'm not going to explain it to you at this late date. Linda --- -- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.714 / Virus Database: 470 - Release Date: 7/3/2004 |
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I didn't assume you were malicious. I don't know your story because I
haven't heard you share it. I half expect that you have health issues, because so many of us here do. I don't automatically excuse Sooz, I understand where she's coming from, and she generally does apologize if people don't keep beating on her. Mellow out, and don't attack me. Doesn't work. Tina "Craftology" wrote in message ... 1. I have lurked here for a while. 2. Do you know what MY life story is? Do you know if perhaps I might have health issues? 3. Despite the fact that pain can cause people to behave in an unkind manner, if and when that does happen said person should apologize. Bad health/pain is not an excuse for treating others badly, especially when it happens often. 4. You automatically excuse certain people but assume others are malicious? That doesn't seem very fair. Subject: Photographing your beads ~LONG~ From: "Christina Peterson" Date: 7/3/2004 8:23 PM Eastern Standard Time Message-id: Hi Lisa, You're right, there is an element of double standard going on here. Actually, that's one reason people are always advised to lurk awhile. The people here know Sooz has an acerbic style, and also know Sooz has major difficulty with pain that sometimes makes her irritable. Same way we know Kathy NV has extreme pain and tells lots of OT stories, which we wouldn't necessarily accept from others. People know I live in Alaska and eat wild meat - I want Rudolph for Christmas dinner. They know I have Depression, and get flaky when I'm overwhelmed. In a normal society we know each other. In the newsgroup we know each other too. So, yes, there are "double standards". But, as in the real world, it's more a matter of accommodating individuals, and acknowledging humanity. Tina But Sooz telling craftology to kiss her ass was perfectly okay? And for the record, I didn't say anything about Sooz's post because it didn't offend me. Believe me, in the forums I'm used to "kiss my ass" is pretty mild. What offends me is the apparent double standard I see going on here. Lisa |
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Oh, I'm not saying my point of view is right, only that it's different.
Tina "Craftology" wrote in message ... Here is why I don't see lampwork artists as competitors the same way I see 2 people selling Swarovski crystal bicones as competitors. These two people are obviously competing: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...em=49089056 1 6&rd=1 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...em=49094051 3 9&rd=1 In my opinion the next two are not competing because they have very different styles. One I like, one I don't. So I don't see them as selling the same thing: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...tem=4908961 4 16&rd=1 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...9085 545&rd=1 |
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Kalera wrote:
How about Cheetos? I am having a major Cheeto craving right now for some reason. Shove over, we can have a craving together. I'm counting the days till I see Cheetos again! Only 25 to go. -Su |
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Craftology" wrote in message
... 3. Despite the fact that pain can cause people to behave in an unkind manner, if and when that does happen said person should apologize. Bad health/pain is not an excuse for treating others badly, especially when it happens often. I have to agree with the no excuse part here. My husband is under a lot of stress right now with family illnesses and he gets pretty cranky and can tend to take it out on me (not physically). His mother is in a nursing home and is demanding, and his father has had part of his colon removed, is recovering from terrible side effects of radiation therapy, and gearing up for chemo. He also gets cranky and takes it out on us and can be very demanding. I feel bad for all of them, and can't possibly understand what they're all going through, but they have no right to take it out on me or my children, no matter how bad it gets. If in fact that is what has been going on here, then say you feel bad, talk about it, but don't think it's ok to take it out on others sideways. I am not assuming that is what went on, as someone else was speaking for any posters in question. This group is not just for those that have been around and know the lives of others. There are others that might not post that often but do read along. I would guess that my name is known, and I lurk a lot more than I post, but I didn't know the personal things that were posted about Sooz and Christina. If I did, I still don't think it's ok to be mean. I'm not condoning anyones return snide comments either, but I can see wanting to respond in a not-so-nice way too. Neither one was right or nice. While it is nice to have a sense of community and to be understood, I think we should also be respectful to those that aren't 'in' with the regular posters and allow them their opinions, just as well as calling them on rude behavior. Regulars should be held to the same standard. -- -------------------------------------- Lori Greenberg www.beadnerd.com ebay: http://cgi6.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...origre enberg " Subject: Photographing your beads ~LONG~ From: "Christina Peterson" Date: 7/3/2004 8:23 PM Eastern Standard Time Message-id: Hi Lisa, You're right, there is an element of double standard going on here. Actually, that's one reason people are always advised to lurk awhile. The people here know Sooz has an acerbic style, and also know Sooz has major difficulty with pain that sometimes makes her irritable. Same way we know Kathy NV has extreme pain and tells lots of OT stories, which we wouldn't necessarily accept from others. People know I live in Alaska and eat wild meat - I want Rudolph for Christmas dinner. They know I have Depression, and get flaky when I'm overwhelmed. In a normal society we know each other. In the newsgroup we know each other too. So, yes, there are "double standards". But, as in the real world, it's more a matter of accommodating individuals, and acknowledging humanity. Tina But Sooz telling craftology to kiss her ass was perfectly okay? And for the record, I didn't say anything about Sooz's post because it didn't offend me. Believe me, in the forums I'm used to "kiss my ass" is pretty mild. What offends me is the apparent double standard I see going on here. Lisa |
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we should also be respectful to those that aren't 'in' with the regular
posters and allow them their opinions, just as well as calling them on rude behavior. Regulars should be held to the same standard. Great post Lori. |
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I guess you don't read much of the (overwhelming number of) OT posts. After
all you come here about beads. Though, if I remember correctly, this thread also had originally been marked as OT, too. Unfortunately it doesn't work to just say to if you feel bad. I know that Sooz and a few others have a degree of pain that the doctors would prescribe morphine for every single day. With that comes Depression, mental, physical and emotional exhaustion. And I know that no one wants to hear that every day. My husband is disabled by pain from work related injuries. Everyday he takes prescription pain pills, does therapy, needs at least one nap of 1 or 2 hours, and gets massage every week. And his pain doesn't even compare to Sooz's or Kathy NV's. I'm pleased that I don't whine enough for you to know I have disabling Depression and can only get about 6 hours of good function in a day. But talking about it doesn't work, and only causes you to be defined as a pathetic soul, all bound up in pain (physical or mental or both). I do sincerely thank you for offering to let me or others whine about that stuff. (No sarcasm here anywhere.) I do agree that everyone should be held to the same standards of courtesy. Part of what I don't understand with this thread is how things got so mean. And especially why there is so much vitriol against Sooz, who has not said anything for quite a while. It's a funny thing about an "in" group. I really think the "in" is more a definition of how often someone posts rather than any people being "better" than anyone else. There are exception in that a few of us have met or emailed others in the group. In school I always considered myself one of the definitely "not in" people, and not even part of it enough to be one of the "out" people. I never think in those terms anymore. A lot of it has to do with age, I think, and learning not to care about those considerations. I do now feel part of a disenfranchised group, but I certainly don't feel banned from any in group, or any less than my rich sister, or my skinny sister, or my very mentally energetic friends. Life is good. Tina "Lori Greenberg" wrote... My husband is under a lot of stress right now with family illnesses and he gets pretty cranky and can tend to take it out on me (not physically). His mother is in a nursing home and is demanding, and his father has had part of his colon removed, is recovering from terrible side effects of radiation therapy, and gearing up for chemo. He also gets cranky and takes it out on us and can be very demanding. I feel bad for all of them, and can't possibly understand what they're all going through, but they have no right to take it out on me or my children, no matter how bad it gets. If in fact that is what has been going on here, then say you feel bad, talk about it, but don't think it's ok to take it out on others sideways. I am not assuming that is what went on, as someone else was speaking for any posters in question. This group is not just for those that have been around and know the lives of others. There are others that might not post that often but do read along. I would guess that my name is known, and I lurk a lot more than I post, but I didn't know the personal things that were posted about Sooz and Christina. If I did, I still don't think it's ok to be mean. I'm not condoning anyones return snide comments either, but I can see wanting to respond in a not-so-nice way too. Neither one was right or nice. While it is nice to have a sense of community and to be understood, I think we should also be respectful to those that aren't 'in' with the regular posters and allow them their opinions, just as well as calling them on rude behavior. Regulars should be held to the same standard. |
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In article , vj
writes: combo gift and bead shop does that work well? because the ONLY store here is that way, and the beading supplies are abysmal. It seems to. Some weeks the "gift" side does great, and the beads poorly, sometimes the opposite. Some days nobody except the mailman comes in, other days the place is packed. There are over 35 bead stores in San Diego now... most specialize, rather than trying to do it all. Our store's bead room has mainly vintage glass & crystal, "non-round" stone, and "ethnic" beads. Also some of Mingo's and Asho's furnace glass and some locally made enamel beads. Most of these are available individually or on a string-- the non-loose vintage glass, bone and metal beads are on "short strings" (7-8"), stone and pearls on regular sized strings, but we will sell a "half string". If somebody wants modern Czech glass or findings or whatever it is that we don't have, we generally suggest a couple of places that specialize in those items... however, the most common "where do you find...?" question is about food... specifically, "where do you get Mexican food?". It's hard not to choke; not only is this S. Calif, but this is Old Town San Diego... originally a Mexican town... 20 miles from TJ.... Can't go a block in Old Town without passing at least one Mexican restaurant, and with the rents here, you know they have to be good to stay in business. Kaytee "Simplexities" on www.eclecticbeadery.com |
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Actually, the issue is more about people with expectations and a sense of
entitlement. People who get ticked off because they can't get personalized private instructions whenever they want them. YES. EXACTLY. ~~ Sooz |
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What would be considered tactless would be if you were, say, a jewelry
designer, and you emailed another, more successful jewelry designer who didn't know you at all, not even online, and asked them the name of their wholesaler and step-by-step directions for their really cool signature clasps. As I understand it, that's the sort of breach of manners that's being discussed here. Yes, that's absolutely correct. I find it interesting that some people got that right away -- and some others totally misinterpreted the message. Makes you wonder. ~~ Sooz |
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