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Seeking Advice on jewelry moldings and metal supplys.
On Wed, 03 Jan 2007 17:51:27 +0000, mbstevens wrote:
I don't agree there, this is hardly a flame war, the only person who has gone out of their way to be insulting is the original poster. Yes there have been blunt opinions given but they have all been absolutely on the point. In fact he/she was so quick to respond with invective that I'm of the opinion that the whole thing has been a set up. Kendall "mbstevens" wrote in message news On Wed, 03 Jan 2007 01:17:27 +0000, ME wrote: Hello (im new here) I was hoping somebody in this newsgroup might be able to offer me some advice.... ________________________________________ Moderator's Note: This whole thread seems to be degrading into a flame war. Everyone has now had a chance to bare their armpits, so I'm soon going to call it killed unless someone actually has something to say about jewelry, or the jewelry industry. Please trim posts to only quote particular material form the previous post that is being responded to. Third party readers don't want to slog through a two page entry only to find more flames. __________________________________________ |
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Seeking Advice on jewelry moldings and metal supplys.
"ME" wrote in message
news On Wed, 03 Jan 2007 15:21:57 +0000, John wrote: You gotta be kidding right? You want us to help you to make our lives harder? It sounds to me like "her current goldsmith" is just about to lose some work. With the way you're talking about jewellery, you're way out of your league already. John the current goldsmith will be keeping her existing work, I am seeking to develop "new pieces" which will fall under my own label which will be marketed alongside the existing collection. [Forgive me if I'm wrong here, but it sounds like you're intending to copy the "look and feel" of the line your current goldsmith has done for you, patent it under your own name, take the production offshore, and keep all the money for yourself. While this may be (barely) legal, it is not the sort of thing that's calculated to draw a warm response from the goldsmiths that usually gather here...] If you are not interested in giving quotes thats fine. I can take my business elsewhere to people eager to sell there services and make new clients who will buy the finest materials available. [You haven't been asking for quotes, or sharing much about what you're actually trying to make. You've mostly talked about getting the lowest prices in the world, and asking us to share our hard-earned knowledge and sources of goods, while staying anonymous. I'm afraid you come off more like a ruthless competitor than a source of business for most of the jewelers here. Fortunately, you also seem pretty clueless about the basics of jewelry making, so you're probably just going to lose a bundle of money, as Abrasha kindly warned you.] From the replies i am receiving so far i am suprised people like yourself and the previous hostile reply manage to forge relationships let alone forge gold. You people need a lesson in business communication skills and learn to respect potential business clients even when they may ask questions that show no prior knowledge of jewelery. For all you know i could have a global network of stores and you just turned away a million dollar business deal. Your loss, not mine. Out of my league?.....Do you think you are helping your own business by telling newcomers they are out of their league.? You only make yourself sound arrogant and obnoxious. If you were in any kind of league yourself you would show better business etiquet rather than your walmart customer service skills. Since you have no idea how much budget i have to spend you have no way of knowing if it is yourself who is way out of my league. If i owned a store i would not employ someone with your attitude to clean the toilets let alone serve potential clients with your walmart customer service skills. You are your own worst enemy with your hostile unprovoked attitude. Perhaps you make nice jewelry but your people and business skills stink. [Well, to keep this thread from degenerating further, maybe we can let you have the last word on all that. When you asked a specific question, about the suitability of 24k gold as a substitute for other alloys, you got an accurate answer. But answers to general questions, like how to buy diamonds at wholesale in the world market, are outside the realm of things you can reasonably expect from a forum like this. This is something that takes a lot of experience and study to learn, as well as considerable capital (and nerve) to actually do. I doubt that many of us here are at that level; perhaps the poster above meant to say it was out of OUR league...] Andrew Werby www.computersculpture.com |
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ME wrote:
Abrasha wrote: ME wrote: Hello (im new here) I was hoping somebody in this newsgroup might be able to offer me some advice on a jewellery collection i am trying to market. I already have a collection made up (not available for viewing yet)which i am contracted to begin marketing soon but also need to have new designs made up in the existing style. I am only contracted to the existing collection and so have no experience dealing with goldsmiths and jewelers. I was hoping somebody might give me a rough ballpark estimate with example links to the costs of having new designs made into molds for gold, silver, white gold, and platinum in the full range of carats. I am also in the market for perhaps finding a new source for our gold/silv/platinum supply and wanted to know which countries are generally concidered the cheapest/best places to buy from. The existing collection is available in 14carot only, and i am told by the artist her current goldsmith insists it is not possible to have the current collection in a higher carat due to the softness of the metals. I am unsure if this response is simply because the artist does not have the time to arange higher carats or if the reasons given are genuine. I was hoping to market the collection as being available in the highest carats and finest quality diamonds and would apreciate any advice on limitations that may exist and how i might find a way around these limitations to provide the best quality materials. So much info exists on the net, it makes it difficult to filter the quality from the masses of junk, so im hoping for some pointers or shortcuts here. I will soon be moving production to eastern europe due to the very low costs of labour there and so sourcing metals and manufacturing the pieces from molds are taken care of already. I simply need to have some molds made up and find a supplier of metals and the finest quality small diamonds for rings etc. Many thanks for any advice offered. A If you have to come here for advice, you are in the wrong business my friend. Your questions are the ones from someone who has no business being in this business. Take your money and run! -- Abrasha http://www.abrasha.com As i stated i am in web design and marketing, not the jewellery trade, and i have a new and unique collection i am contracted to market and brand. Would i be right in saying that your comment suggests prior knowledge of jewelry craft is esential in posting to this group and that those with purely an interest are not welcome? Perhaps other people in this group might not appreciate you directing away their potential business of selling the highest quality and most expensive materials which i seek?. Perhaps someone with your stance towards potential new business has no business being in any kind of business since you have no problem with sending away the potential new business of other jewelers operating around you. Not a business skill often found in "the school of common sense business". My questions probably indeed are nieve since i openly have no knowledge of this trade and jewellery, however as some might say "everybody must start somewhere" as you yourself once did. Nobody can ever give thanks to their "start" without thanking those who were willing to share their knowledge and cooperate in the first place. words for thought i hope Kind regards...A you may find Abrash's short and blunt reply upsetting BUT he is a man of fewwords but very extensive knowhow in the top end of the jewellery trade. His advice is right, because you need an indepth background and long standing practical knowledge of this trade in order not to make the expensive mistakes you will make by transplanting your webdesign and marketing skills to the jewellers business. The skills just dont transplant into the jewellery manufacturing field. Ive been a working silversmith for some 39 years designing, making and marketing my own ideas and work and still only know my speciality , which is wrought work. IE forged and raised and minted objects. Your best bet is to go to someone who is a major manufacturer and ask him to quote you to make everything you want done. then go to one of the top high st jewellers and offer them the collection. youll learn a great deal from these 2 exercises, the main one is wether its worth your while bothering with the project at all. Now as to where to get the work made. Eastern Europe is cheaper on labour BUT what control do you have over a production run a long way from where you are. Ive worked for the leading London Jewellers and know how they design, make and market their jewellery. there the ones your competing against, some of them have a tradition going back some 100 years or more. I wish you all the luck in the world idf you go down this road. |
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On Wed, 03 Jan 2007 15:48:58 +0000, ME wrote:
ME wrote: Abrasha wrote: ME wrote: Hello (im new here) I was hoping somebody in this newsgroup might be able to offer me some advice on a jewellery collection i am trying to market. I already have a collection made up (not available for viewing yet)which i am contracted to begin marketing soon but also need to have new designs made up in the existing style. I am only contracted to the existing collection and so have no experience dealing with goldsmiths and jewelers. I was hoping somebody might give me a rough ballpark estimate with example links to the costs of having new designs made into molds for gold, silver, white gold, and platinum in the full range of carats. I am also in the market for perhaps finding a new source for our gold/silv/platinum supply and wanted to know which countries are generally concidered the cheapest/best places to buy from. The existing collection is available in 14carot only, and i am told by the artist her current goldsmith insists it is not possible to have the current collection in a higher carat due to the softness of the metals. I am unsure if this response is simply because the artist does not have the time to arange higher carats or if the reasons given are genuine. I was hoping to market the collection as being available in the highest carats and finest quality diamonds and would apreciate any advice on limitations that may exist and how i might find a way around these limitations to provide the best quality materials. So much info exists on the net, it makes it difficult to filter the quality from the masses of junk, so im hoping for some pointers or shortcuts here. I will soon be moving production to eastern europe due to the very low costs of labour there and so sourcing metals and manufacturing the pieces from molds are taken care of already. I simply need to have some molds made up and find a supplier of metals and the finest quality small diamonds for rings etc. Many thanks for any advice offered. A If you have to come here for advice, you are in the wrong business my friend. Your questions are the ones from someone who has no business being in this business. Take your money and run! -- Abrasha http://www.abrasha.com As i stated i am in web design and marketing, not the jewellery trade, and i have a new and unique collection i am contracted to market and brand. Would i be right in saying that your comment suggests prior knowledge of jewelry craft is esential in posting to this group and that those with purely an interest are not welcome? No, not at all. However, you are obviously such a beginner, that undertaking what you are trying to, at an international level no less, is something you should not touch with a 10 foot pole, IMO. On top of that, trying to get advice from a handful of people you have absolutely no knowledge of, is further testimony of your ignorance in the field. You know nothing about us, nor do you have any clue if we are at all qualified to give you advice about the kind of things you want knowledge of. The Net is not useful for everything! Perhaps other people in this group might not appreciate you directing away their potential business of selling the highest quality and most expensive materials which i seek?. So what makes you thinks, that you are in the right place for this. Give me 2 or 3 reasons please. Perhaps someone with your stance towards potential new business has no business being in any kind of business since you have no problem with sending away the potential new business of other jewelers operating around you. Not a business skill often found in "the school of common sense business". My questions probably indeed are nieve since i openly have no knowledge of this trade and jewellery, however as some might say "everybody must start somewhere" as you yourself once did. I did indeed. I did not however go to an online newsgroup frequented by a bunch of strangers. I went to school and then studied with masters to hone my craft. -- Abrasha http://www.abrasha.com |
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mbstevens wrote:
On Wed, 03 Jan 2007 18:01:42 +0000, ME wrote: ... Would i be right in saying that "any" piece of jewellery can be re designed into a higher carat No. Strength and hardness matter. or are some carats simply not used in the trade for certain items due to the softness of the metal?. Yes. But karet is not the only influence on softness. Different metals can be alloyed with gold. hypothetical example: Is there a market for 24 carat watches or would a watch be too easily damaged in 24carats? Anyone who owned a solid 24K watch would probably take very good care of it, even if it did scratch easily. I have seen none at Walmart lately, but if you visited the Rolex factory you might find some -- No he won't! One, because he would have no access to a Rolex factory, and two, because 24K gold is not suitable for a watch case. Abrasha http://www.abrasha.com |
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ME wrote:
Since i am hoping to source the finest materials at the cheapest possible prices i was hoping you might also have some tips for someone who has no knowledge of metals and diamonds on where they might begin. That's the kind of information I have gathered over a period of 30 years. I'm certainly not going to giver that away to some yokel in a newsgroup just because he asks for it. I don't know you. Why would I give you my precious resources which I have developed over such a long period of time. What if you don't pay your bills. I'll be the one with egg on his face. I know that the diamond trade is often seen as highly corrupt Oh, and where have you gained this knowledge? and i would apreciate some pointers or tips on how someone with no experiences might avoid getting stung without the need for years of studying metal and diamond quality theory. Oh, you want it the easy way. You're knocking on the wrong door pal. "without the need for years of studying metal and diamond quality theory." You have a lot of gall my friend. Like I said in my first response, you have no business being in this business, especially since you are obviously not willing to pay your dues. Can you recommend a well known reliable wholesale source which is widely recognised in the industry as being honest and reliable.? Yes. I would rather pay a slightly higher price from a know reputable source than buy from the cheapest offers. But only slightly of course. Or perhaps you know which countries are often used in the trade to source metal and diamond supplies?. I don't seize to be amazed by your sheer unmitigated audacity and gall. -- Abrasha http://www.abrasha.com |
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John wrote:
SNIP Many thanks for any advice offered. You gotta be kidding right? You want us to help you to make our lives harder? It sounds to me like "her current goldsmith" is just about to lose some work. With the way you're talking about jewellery, you're way out of your league already. John Amen! -- Abrasha http://www.abrasha.com |
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As i stated i am in web design You did not state that in your OP, you just stated that for the first time. Abrasha http://www.abrasha.com |
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Andrew Werby wrote:
"ME" wrote in message news On Wed, 03 Jan 2007 15:21:57 +0000, John wrote: You gotta be kidding right? You want us to help you to make our lives harder? It sounds to me like "her current goldsmith" is just about to lose some work. With the way you're talking about jewellery, you're way out of your league already. John the current goldsmith will be keeping her existing work, I am seeking to develop "new pieces" which will fall under my own label which will be marketed alongside the existing collection. [Forgive me if I'm wrong here, but it sounds like you're intending to copy the "look and feel" of the line your current goldsmith has done for you, patent it under your own name, take the production offshore, and keep all the money for yourself. While this may be (barely) legal, it is not the sort of thing that's calculated to draw a warm response from the goldsmiths that usually gather here...] If you are not interested in giving quotes thats fine. I can take my business elsewhere to people eager to sell there services and make new clients who will buy the finest materials available. [You haven't been asking for quotes, or sharing much about what you're actually trying to make. You've mostly talked about getting the lowest prices in the world, and asking us to share our hard-earned knowledge and sources of goods, while staying anonymous. I'm afraid you come off more like a ruthless competitor than a source of business for most of the jewelers here. Fortunately, you also seem pretty clueless about the basics of jewelry making, so you're probably just going to lose a bundle of money, as Abrasha kindly warned you.] From the replies i am receiving so far i am suprised people like yourself and the previous hostile reply manage to forge relationships let alone forge gold. You people need a lesson in business communication skills and learn to respect potential business clients even when they may ask questions that show no prior knowledge of jewelery. For all you know i could have a global network of stores and you just turned away a million dollar business deal. Your loss, not mine. Out of my league?.....Do you think you are helping your own business by telling newcomers they are out of their league.? You only make yourself sound arrogant and obnoxious. If you were in any kind of league yourself you would show better business etiquet rather than your walmart customer service skills. Since you have no idea how much budget i have to spend you have no way of knowing if it is yourself who is way out of my league. If i owned a store i would not employ someone with your attitude to clean the toilets let alone serve potential clients with your walmart customer service skills. You are your own worst enemy with your hostile unprovoked attitude. Perhaps you make nice jewelry but your people and business skills stink. [Well, to keep this thread from degenerating further, maybe we can let you have the last word on all that. When you asked a specific question, about the suitability of 24k gold as a substitute for other alloys, you got an accurate answer. But answers to general questions, like how to buy diamonds at wholesale in the world market, are outside the realm of things you can reasonably expect from a forum like this. This is something that takes a lot of experience and study to learn, as well as considerable capital (and nerve) to actually do. I doubt that many of us here are at that level; perhaps the poster above meant to say it was out of OUR league...] Andrew Werby www.computersculpture.com Excellent post. I could not have said it better myself. With my level of tact, not a snowball's chance in Hell. -- Abrasha http://www.abrasha.com |
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ME wrote:
On Wed, 03 Jan 2007 15:21:57 +0000, John wrote: You gotta be kidding right? You want us to help you to make our lives harder? It sounds to me like "her current goldsmith" is just about to lose some work. With the way you're talking about jewellery, you're way out of your league already. John the current goldsmith will be keeping her existing work, I am seeking to develop "new pieces" which will fall under my own label which will be marketed alongside the existing collection. If you are not interested in giving quotes thats fine. I can take my business elsewhere to people eager to sell there services and make new clients who will buy the finest materials available. From the replies i am receiving so far i am suprised people like yourself and the previous hostile reply manage to forge relationships let alone forge gold. You people need a lesson in business communication skills and learn to respect potential business clients even when they may ask questions that show no prior knowledge of jewelery. Business communication skills? You did not even have the decency to introduce yourself to this group when you barged in here asked you silly questions! Nor where you are located, or that you were interested in steering business to any member of this group. You came here for free advice, and nothing less! For all you know i could have a global network of stores and you just turned away a million dollar business deal. You don't have a pot to **** in pal! People with million dollar business deals don't ask the kind of questions you ask in places like this. They know where to go, or hire people to find out for them. Your loss, not mine. Out of my league?.....Do you think you are helping your own business by telling newcomers they are out of their league.? You only make yourself sound arrogant and obnoxious. If you were in any kind of league yourself you would show better business etiquet rather than your walmart customer service skills. Since you have no idea how much budget i have to spend You could have told us this in your oh so professional business like introduction, right next to your name. you have no way of knowing if it is yourself who is way out of my league. It's painfully obvious. If i owned a store i would not employ someone with your attitude to clean the toilets let alone serve potential clients with your walmart customer service skills. Now this is getting good and juicy. Almost entertaining in fact. Sure sounds to me like a business man who is used to talking million dollar business deals. You are your own worst enemy with your hostile unprovoked attitude. Perhaps you make nice jewelry but your people and business skills stink. Thank God there are people like you we can learn such skills from. Do you even begin to realize that you are not helping your case very much, and that you have in fact just dug your own grave with this post. Abrasha http://www.abrasha.com |
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