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craft/art article by Grayson Perry
What do you all think of this article?? Be really interested to hear, do
you like his work. I love it, but it sure is controversial. I listened to him give a talk a couple months ago. A very interesting man. Anyway here is the article http://nzpotters.com/FeatureArticles/GraysonPerry.cfm Cheers Annemarie |
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I think if they ate more fruit they might be more regular and be less full
of crap. But that is just my opinion. After I chew on it a bit I will respond more responsibly and with more thought. Donna -- "As democracy is perfected, the office of president represents, more and more closely, the inner soul of the people. On some great and glorious day the plain folks of the land will reach their heart's desire at last and the White House will be adorned by a downright moron." - H. L. Mencken (1880 - 1956) "Xtra News" wrote in message ... What do you all think of this article?? Be really interested to hear, do you like his work. I love it, but it sure is controversial. I listened to him give a talk a couple months ago. A very interesting man. Anyway here is the article http://nzpotters.com/FeatureArticles/GraysonPerry.cfm Cheers Annemarie |
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interesting, i agree with some. some not:
"And yet, the traditional craft areas have dried up." well a lot of art & craft has been dropped by schools so the exposure us older folk might have had isn't occuring anymore. ~ and since we saw it *a lot* growing up, now today we don't, but that doesn't mean it's dried up - just not openly visible anymore. ~ no teachers taking us to see it or showing us anymore. "Craft has lost its way and become precious; self-consciousness is one of its great cankers." it's precious now that it IS handmade. never before has the industrialized world been SO much made of strictly manufactured stuff! so for someone to step forward & perform his craft - he'll stand out & may look cankerous to some. ~ like that guy on a street corner playing saxaphone. he sure stands out! and he's not usually very good! but you can't paint the music profession on such obvious people. see ya steve Xtra News wrote: What do you all think of this article?? Be really interested to hear, do you like his work. I love it, but it sure is controversial. I listened to him give a talk a couple months ago. A very interesting man. Anyway here is the article http://nzpotters.com/FeatureArticles/GraysonPerry.cfm Cheers Annemarie |
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What if they had to have yard sales to pay for war? You can judge a
society by what it spends its money on. -- =E6=9D=8E Lee Love =E5=A4=A7 =E6=84=9B=E3=80=80=E3=80=80 =E3=80=80=E3=80=80 =E9=B1=97 in Mashiko, Japan http://mashiko.org http://hankos.blogspot.com/ Visual Bookmarks http://ikiru.blogspot.com/ Zen and Craft "With Humans it's what's here (he points to his heart) that makes the difference. If you don't have it in the heart, nothing you make will make a difference." ~~Bernard Leach~~ (As told to Dean Schwarz) |
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Art is man's attempt to create or produce an artifact, which stimulates an
emotional response. Some tend to think that this response needs to be a positive for the art to be 'good' but the fact is that it is 'good' no matter what the skill of the producer or what the response if it produces the emotion that it was intended to produce. An abstract representing the Holocaust of Hitler's Germany would be considered 'good' if it makes the viewer respond in horror, sadness, etc assuming that was the intent of the 'artist'. Skill in a 'craft' is one that takes years of work and training. To be considered 'professional' in any field requires about 7 years of full time work and training according to studies done in cognitive psychology. Being a craftsman moves into the realm of being an 'artist' the moment the person producing the artifact attempts to make what they are producing elicit an emotional response. It does not matter if that response is the joy we feel on seeing beauty or that of humor on seeing something whimsical or that of sadness on seeing something that pulls us back in time, etc. The fact that something is functional does not prevent it from being art. The fact that something successfully elicits an emotional response as it was intended to does not prevent if from being not well crafted or well crafted. Art does not have to be non-functional nor does it have to be well crafted. Something that is well crafted does not have to be art nor does have to not be art. The insult of saying a craftsman is not an artist applies to all who are skilled in the craft of their work whether it is Picasso, Frank Lloyd Wright, or Paul Soldner. This Article is the world as a child might see it - oversimplified and lacking in sophistication. "Xtra News" wrote in message ... What do you all think of this article?? Be really interested to hear, do you like his work. I love it, but it sure is controversial. I listened to him give a talk a couple months ago. A very interesting man. Anyway here is the article http://nzpotters.com/FeatureArticles/GraysonPerry.cfm Cheers Annemarie |
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It looks like Perry has craftskill, but his stuff is as ugly as he is
in a dress. He is no artist. I am guessing he couldn't make it as a painter so he took to decorating badly formed pots. -- Lee In Mashiko, Japan |
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interesting lee, i thought his work reflected some Escher influence & i
kinda liked the business of the pieces. you have to look at them for a while to start to see it all together. ~ but he sure is pretty ugly in a dress... see ya steve Lee In Mashiko, Japan wrote: It looks like Perry has craftskill, but his stuff is as ugly as he is in a dress. He is no artist. I am guessing he couldn't make it as a painter so he took to decorating badly formed pots. -- Lee In Mashiko, Japan |
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I Have just read the article - thanks Annemarie - and I am surprised at some
peoples reaction. I dont find the article derogarotive. Why such hostile reaction to what it says? So, I went over it again and I tend to agree with most things he says. Actualy, almost all of it. Actualy, I cant find anything that I strongly disagree with. He touched lots of aspects of art/craft in a very brief way here... skimed the surface of many (perhaps painful )issues. I would like to read more and in depth opinions. As soon as I get some ink for my ever hungry printer, I will print the article ant stick it on the wall in the studio to remind me who I am and where I want to be. Thanks again Annemarie!! Andrea "Lee In Mashiko, Japan" wrote in message ups.com... What if they had to have yard sales to pay for war? You can judge a society by what it spends its money on. -- ? Lee Love ? ??? ?? ? in Mashiko, Japan http://mashiko.org http://hankos.blogspot.com/ Visual Bookmarks http://ikiru.blogspot.com/ Zen and Craft "With Humans it's what's here (he points to his heart) that makes the difference. If you don't have it in the heart, nothing you make will make a difference." ~~Bernard Leach~~ (As told to Dean Schwarz) |
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Perhaps I had such a negative response to it because I have seen crafts
being eliminated from our schools because of the attitude displayed in this article. The arts departments in our University will not even allow functional pieces to be created in the ceramics classes - all you see coming out of that department are what I consider 'gag me with a spoon' sculptures. If you look at Picasso's work when he started out, it was beautiful classical drawings. Even if you do want to move into the abstract and the whimsical you should at least have a sense of the history of the working of clay and be able to create the 'classical' pieces. I think you should understand the fundamentals of what goes into glazes and what makes them melt, gives them color, etc. but I don't declare what makes one form of creation superior to another form of creation. I tend to be somewhat hostile to anyone that builds their own ego up by declaring how others are inferior. "A & V" wrote in message ... I Have just read the article - thanks Annemarie - and I am surprised at some peoples reaction. I dont find the article derogarotive. Why such hostile reaction to what it says? So, I went over it again and I tend to agree with most things he says. Actualy, almost all of it. Actualy, I cant find anything that I strongly disagree with. He touched lots of aspects of art/craft in a very brief way here... skimed the surface of many (perhaps painful )issues. I would like to read more and in depth opinions. As soon as I get some ink for my ever hungry printer, I will print the article ant stick it on the wall in the studio to remind me who I am and where I want to be. Thanks again Annemarie!! Andrea "Lee In Mashiko, Japan" wrote in message ups.com... What if they had to have yard sales to pay for war? You can judge a society by what it spends its money on. -- ? Lee Love ? ??? ?? ? in Mashiko, Japan http://mashiko.org http://hankos.blogspot.com/ Visual Bookmarks http://ikiru.blogspot.com/ Zen and Craft "With Humans it's what's here (he points to his heart) that makes the difference. If you don't have it in the heart, nothing you make will make a difference." ~~Bernard Leach~~ (As told to Dean Schwarz) |
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But that is just the thing, I don't get the message from the article that he
thinks that craft is inferior, he is just stating that they are not the same. ...."But craft isn't just a synonym for the hand-made. It is about technical skill but there must be a good idea guiding it, either traditional or innovative. I love craft objects to look at, but for me the best thing is a combination of its meaning, its beauty and its craftsmanship. It is all these things combined that make art exciting The essential distinction between art and craft is that art has an emphasis on feelings and ideas and the crafts have an emphasis on technique."... So I guess that he is trying to define terms art and craft. That is an old, old debate. How would you define them?? I personally start having problems when "design" is distilled out as separate from both art and craft. I think that "design" can't stand by itself, but "craft" can. An object can be "craft" without being "art" and vice versa. What we are ultimately looking for are those which are both.. In my opinion Art is something we strive for when creating, jet it only seldom happens. Not every painting is "ART" most of them are just paintings -"craft" (if that!). I don't think that pots are craft and paintings art, yet I found that quite often people refer to them in those terms. I guess that part of the debate is purely linguistic, but language is changing as well as our use of it and we sometimes need to define (perhaps redefine) terms we use. I often struggle when describing my work. Mostly I don"t make pots or sculptures in traditional sense, yet often I still call them "pots" for the lack of a better word. I hope my opinions don't offend, I think that we are all on the same side. I am sad too about the changes in education, but perhaps redefining can help. If ceramics is not studied as craft is it coming back as art or as design, or perhaps as design for industry. Clay will surface somewhere! Actually, WA school of art and design where I studied ceramics has changed the name of the courses to include the word "craft" ( I can't remember exact wording) - yet at the same time they had cut curriculum in half and almost eliminated glaze technology. Now I know how the knowledge can die out. But that has happened all through history I believe... look at the old roman (or was it Greek?) pots which were decorated only with slip - I don't think it is repeatable today. Sorry for all the rumblings. Hope to hear your opinion Andrea "dkat" wrote in message ... Perhaps I had such a negative response to it because I have seen crafts being eliminated from our schools because of the attitude displayed in this article. The arts departments in our University will not even allow functional pieces to be created in the ceramics classes - all you see coming out of that department are what I consider 'gag me with a spoon' sculptures. If you look at Picasso's work when he started out, it was beautiful classical drawings. Even if you do want to move into the abstract and the whimsical you should at least have a sense of the history of the working of clay and be able to create the 'classical' pieces. I think you should understand the fundamentals of what goes into glazes and what makes them melt, gives them color, etc. but I don't declare what makes one form of creation superior to another form of creation. I tend to be somewhat hostile to anyone that builds their own ego up by declaring how others are inferior. "A & V" wrote in message ... I Have just read the article - thanks Annemarie - and I am surprised at some peoples reaction. I dont find the article derogarotive. Why such hostile reaction to what it says? So, I went over it again and I tend to agree with most things he says. Actualy, almost all of it. Actualy, I cant find anything that I strongly disagree with. He touched lots of aspects of art/craft in a very brief way here... skimed the surface of many (perhaps painful )issues. I would like to read more and in depth opinions. As soon as I get some ink for my ever hungry printer, I will print the article ant stick it on the wall in the studio to remind me who I am and where I want to be. Thanks again Annemarie!! Andrea "Lee In Mashiko, Japan" wrote in message ups.com... What if they had to have yard sales to pay for war? You can judge a society by what it spends its money on. -- ? Lee Love ? ??? ?? ? in Mashiko, Japan http://mashiko.org http://hankos.blogspot.com/ Visual Bookmarks http://ikiru.blogspot.com/ Zen and Craft "With Humans it's what's here (he points to his heart) that makes the difference. If you don't have it in the heart, nothing you make will make a difference." ~~Bernard Leach~~ (As told to Dean Schwarz) |
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