Beaded Butterfly Brooch Instruction.

Hi all,

The butterfly instruction is finally finished and ready to share at:
http://www.beadjewelrymaking.com/Kid...d_project.html

Enjoy!

On Thu, 27 Oct 2005 08:19:06 -0700, in ¸õ wrote:

Hi all,

The butterfly instruction is finally finished and ready to share at:
http://www.beadjewelrymaking.com/Kid...d_project.html

Enjoy!


you know, I'm puzzled by this site. Considering how so many contemporarybead
artists have moved into really new ground in beadwork design, doing things that
are visually and technically really quite innovative and exciting, I find
myself puzzled why the examples and projects that this site seems to showcase
seem so rooted in the tired old traditional kitschy designs. Seems to methat
people bothering to design something they're going to share with the world might
want to share something more visually unique. Mind you, I am NOT a bead
worker, so perhaps I don't understand some technical aspect of this. Arethese
more interesting things I might find in galleries or print publications somehow
beyond the technical or financial means of the average readers of this site?
Enlighten me please... Most of the regular readers of this newsgroup tend to
be more traditional (technically) jewelers, working with precious metals,not
beads as their primary medium. When we're putting out beginner "projects" for
publication, we're probably cautious not to publish a design that will require
the beginner to purchase thousands of dollars of platinum or complex specialized
tooling. But most such authiors try to make the designs themselves, something
fairly unique and not so kitschy. Why is it somehow different with beads?
We've seen beaded puppies, kitties, now butterflies. OK, so whats next... How
'bout something that is an actually new original design for a change?

Or am I just being mean spirited before my morning coffee has fully takenhold?
(A distinct possiblity...)

Peter

On Thu, 27 Oct 2005 15:29:13 GMT, "Peter W.. Rowe,"
wrote:

On Thu, 27 Oct 2005 08:19:06 -0700, in =B8=07=F5 wrot=
e:

Hi all,

The butterfly instruction is finally finished and ready to share at:
http://www.beadjewelrymaking.com/Kid...bead_project/=
november2005_bead_project.html

Enjoy!


you know, I'm puzzled by this site. Considering how so many contemporar=
y bead
artists have moved into really new ground in beadwork design, doing thin=
gs that
are visually and technically really quite innovative and exciting, I fi=
nd
myself puzzled why the examples and projects that this site seems to sho=
wcase
seem so rooted in the tired old traditional kitschy designs.

She's a beginner and thinks she'll make her name by "designing" these
little things and advertising them. On a Delphi beading forum, she
turns up long enough to post exactly what she posts here, and when
people actually comment, she gets upset. (At me, once, for trying to
get her to clarify the order of steps on a piece. It was obvious to
me how it had to work, but if other beginners were using the pattern,
they'd likely be confused.)

In any case, we no longer reply to her on the Delphi forum and I
suspect a lot of people have her killfiled.

But speaking of advertising. ahem It's time for the yearly Layne's
Legacy - Beading For A Cure auctions. The pictures in this week's
auctions are bad (my fault -- people bid before I could fix them) and
they'll be better starting Sunday. We are incorporated and have our
IRS application in for 501C3 status.

You can see whatever is currently up for auction he

http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZbeadingforacure

The information on Layne and why we do this in her honor, plus the
rules for the challenge, are on our webpage:

http://www.beadingforacure.org

--=20
Marilee J. Layman

Peter W.. Rowe, wrote:

On Thu, 27 Oct 2005 08:19:06 -0700, in ¸õ wrote:


Hi all,

The butterfly instruction is finally finished and ready to share at:
http://www.beadjewelrymaking.com/Kid...d_project.html
...


... How
'bout something that is an actually new original design for a change?

Or am I just being mean spirited before my morning coffee has fully taken hold?
(A distinct possiblity...)

Maybe.

I think the telling bit of information is in the URL itself:
"Kid_Art_Project/Kid_art_bead_project"
These are things for kids to make for their grandmothers.
This is Arts & Crafts in the unfortunate modern sense of the term. It
just needs a couple of popcicle sticks. But it may open the door for
kids that turn out to be the kind of people that make things.

--

Carl West
http://carl.west.home.comcast.net
----------------------------------
There is nothing in the world that some man cannot make a little worse
and sell a little cheaper, and he who considers price only is that man's
lawful prey. -- John Ruskin (1819 - 1900)

wrote:
Hi all,

The butterfly instruction is finally finished and ready to share at:
http://www.beadjewelrymaking.com/Kid...d_project.html

Enjoy!



Oh ****!

There goes another keyboard out the window!

Abrasha
http://www.abrasha.com

On Thu, 27 Oct 2005 18:45:42 -0700, in ¤õ Abrasha wrote:



There goes another keyboard out the window!


Good thing you get em cheap, hun?

Peter

On Thu, 27 Oct 2005 18:45:39 -0700, in ¤õ "carlDOTwest"
wrote:

Maybe.

I think the telling bit of information is in the URL itself:
"Kid_Art_Project/Kid_art_bead_project"
These are things for kids to make for their grandmothers.
This is Arts & Crafts in the unfortunate modern sense of the term. It
just needs a couple of popcicle sticks. But it may open the door for
kids that turn out to be the kind of people that make things.

The question for me, given the above, is why is it any more difficult to inspire
kids with crafty things to put together that emply some decent design skills and
originality as well? Kids in general are a rather creative bunch. Youngones
especially are very receptive to the notion of coming up with their own cool
designs instead of just copying a pattern. Just hand the average kid a bunch of
crayons and sit back and watch. Or in an example a bit more like this
situation, hand em some tinkertoys. They may make some of the items shown in
the illutrated directions or on the carton, but they'll quickly start doing
their own variations, often coming up with constructions who's literal
interpretation is only clear to them. It's the older kids and adults who tend
to have come somehow, to believe that they are not creative enough, who then
don't trust their own good taste and need some sort of image to follow inorder
to be convinced that their design is all right. Unfortunate indeed.

And of course this illustrates a problem for me as the moderator of this group.
Bead work can be a wonderful creative activity with enormous potential for
original work, as with so many others of the materials we work with in jewelry
making. And the charter of the group doesn't pick and choose as to which
materials should be "jewelry", or whether any quality determinations should be
made in postings. The site is essentially not commercial in nature, at least
not the main purpose of the posted links. And it's sufficiently related to
jewelry as to be on topic.

Yet these postings seem to garner fairly substantial dismay, or at least apathy.
So do we continue to let this sort of posting into the group, and figure that
Abrasha's many ruined keyboards are the cost of doing business according to the
set rules? After all, aside from the medium of beads versus metals, and issues
of quality and originality and a number of others one could name, the basic
purpose and nature of this latest post is not so different from when Abrasha
sends us the link to his site showing the full intricate expert processesby
which he's created one of his wonderous pieces.

It seems to me pointless in general, to simply get mad at such postings or
posters, or to otherwise trash perfectly good keyboards or morning moods with
dismay over bad design. Yet to date, with these posts, few reply posts to these
things have included links to better ways to work. Seems to me that rather than
just telling an obvious naive beginner that their work is a waste of timeor bad
design or the like, it might be more constructive if people post constructive
suggestions as to just why this work gets the response it does, and include URLs
to sites where more acceptable levels of design skills with this medium are
shown. Otherwise, the beginner(s) in question aren't likely to figure out how
to do any better.

Or perhaps the group readers feel this site should be considered too commercial
or off topic? Let me know, folks. I moderate this group with the intentto
follow your instructions. You or your predecessors wrote the charter, not me,
and I'll follow your group will in how it should be interpreted. This site, and
this sort of post isn't clearly on topic or not on topic for me. Do you feel I
should let these in, or not?

Ah well. I"m starting to ramble. sorry 'bout that. It's been a somewhat long
day...

cheers

Peter

Peter W.. Rowe, wrote:
On Thu, 27 Oct 2005 18:45:42 -0700, in ¤õ Abrasha wrote:



There goes another keyboard out the window!



Good thing you get em cheap, hun?

Peter

Hey, I buy them by the dozen now. I get a bulk discount. They love me
at my local system builder.

But maybe I should learn not to follow the links I find in these online
forums. It's getting way too expensive.

Abrasha
http://www.abrasha.com

On Fri, 28 Oct 2005 08:49:45 -0700, in Ìõ Abrasha wrote:

Peter W.. Rowe, wrote:
On Thu, 27 Oct 2005 18:45:42 -0700, in ¤õ Abrasha wrote:



There goes another keyboard out the window!



Good thing you get em cheap, hun?

Peter

Hey, I buy them by the dozen now. I get a bulk discount. They love me
at my local system builder.

But maybe I should learn not to follow the links I find in these online
forums. It's getting way too expensive.

Abrasha
http://www.abrasha.com

Or simply discipline yourself to swallow the current mouthful of coffee, and set
down the cup, before clicking the links. Then nothing to spew...

:-)

actually, the BESTEST thing to do is to slap a brand new "condom" on it as
soon as you take the kb out of its box!! that's what "I" do and boy o
boy!!! keeps my kb going for, gee, at least 1 year at a time nowadays!!

unfortunately, the folks who make KB condoms don't have a sense of
humour--they call 'em KEYBOARD SKINS (at least, that's how google handles
the request)

there are some with built-in 2-sided tape...these are nice but MORE
expensive and it requires them to know the model, serial #, and kind of
pewter you have so they can make it EGGSACTLY---to a tea!

there are others, much cheaper....and if you know how to touch-type ((i
know---it's an old fashioned word, that's ok....so am i)) ;o) then you can
buy the coloured ones. right now i'm using a dark pink.

anyways, of course the cheapest ones you can buy/make is just by using that
cling plastic wrap OR...if you're REALLY good at touch typing....use
aluminum foil. ;o)

and have LOTSA fun...'specially when you've gotta take it off once a month
to clean it and make sure, like (human) diaphragms, they did not achieve any
holes over the month.
--
With Malus toward none, and Cherry-Trees toward all.


From: "Peter W.. Rowe,"
Organization: r.c.j. newsgroup submission address
Newsgroups: rec.crafts.jewelry
Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2005 15:51:54 GMT
Subject: Beaded Butterfly Brooch Instruction.

On Fri, 28 Oct 2005 08:49:45 -0700, in Ìõ Abrasha
wrote:

Peter W.. Rowe, wrote:
On Thu, 27 Oct 2005 18:45:42 -0700, in €õ Abrasha
wrote:



There goes another keyboard out the window!



Good thing you get em cheap, hun?

Peter

Or simply discipline yourself to swallow the current mouthful of coffee, and
set
down the cup, before clicking the links. Then nothing to spew...

:-)