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Ganesh wrote:
I am from India and I have not heard of magical stories associated with diamonds other than the ones from India, which makes it unique and special. There's nothing biased here about it. I did quote what I've so far gathered from my surroundings. I have come here to gather more information. Here in India diamonds are worn mostly to ward off evil effects of planets only upon consultation of an expert astrologer. Except those sold in engagment rings... Oh yes, and I'm still waiting to hear what exactly the usual dress of Christian women in India is. -- William Black The secret of life is honesty and fair dealing. If you can fake that, you've got it made. |
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On Aug 12, 12:00 pm, William Black
wrote: Ganesh wrote: I am from India and I have not heard of magical stories associated with diamonds other than the ones from India, which makes it unique and special. There's nothing biased here about it. I did quote what I've so far gathered from my surroundings. I have come here to gather more information. Here in India diamonds are worn mostly to ward off evil effects of planets only upon consultation of an expert astrologer. Except those sold in engagment rings... I just checked some of the diamond rings they do not expose the surface of the diamond to touch the skin check some engagement rings here http://www.jamesallen.com/engagement...litaire-rings/. Astrologically diamonds can be adverse for the owner if it does not suit him/her. So, I assume jewelry merchants are taking this into account when manufacturing engagement rings accordingly. On the other hand rings in India are purposely made in such a way that, stone placed in the ring is directly exposed to the skin. See example https://www.meenajewelers.com/detail...ne%29/Astrolo= gical_BirthStone_Rings/4132/_Emerald__Ring_%2822k_Gold%29/ |
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Ganesh wrote:
On Aug 12, 12:00 pm, William Black wrote: Ganesh wrote: I am from India and I have not heard of magical stories associated with diamonds other than the ones from India, which makes it unique and special. There's nothing biased here about it. I did quote what I've so far gathered from my surroundings. I have come here to gather more information. Here in India diamonds are worn mostly to ward off evil effects of planets only upon consultation of an expert astrologer. Except those sold in engagment rings... I just checked some of the diamond rings they do not expose the surface of the diamond to touch the skin check some engagement rings here http://www.jamesallen.com/engagement...litaire-rings/. Astrologically diamonds can be adverse for the owner if it does not suit him/her. So, I assume jewelry merchants are taking this into account when manufacturing engagement rings accordingly. All the engagement rings made of gold and set with a diamond I've seen on sale in India were made by jewellers after being commissioned. Gold and diamonds are of such a price that the cost of making the ring is negligible in an Indian context. Every middle class Indian woman I've ever met had a jeweller. Now, about the usual dress of Christian women in India. Do tell us what it is... -- William Black The secret of life is honesty and fair dealing. If you can fake that, you've got it made. |
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On Aug 13, 5:24=A0am, William Black wrote:
Now, =A0about the usual dress of Christian women in India. Do tell us what it is... http://tinyurl.com/chattayum-mundum (About 'Chattayum mundum- the traditional attire of Syrian Christian women') http://tinyurl.com/goa-dress (Casual Dress in GOA) http://preview.tinyurl.com/goa-cristian-trad (Dress during prayers, I doubt this is GOA, India) Cristian Women in India generally wear local dresses that's mostly in common to other women living in that location. |
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Ganesh wrote:
On Aug 13, 5:24am, William Black wrote: Now, =A0about the usual dress of Christian women in India. Do tell us what it is... http://tinyurl.com/chattayum-mundum (About 'Chattayum mundum- the traditional attire of Syrian Christian women') A T-shirt and a lungi! Get real http://tinyurl.com/goa-dress (Casual Dress in GOA) Cotton dresses and a salwar kamese? http://preview.tinyurl.com/goa-cristian-trad (Dress during prayers, I doubt this is GOA, India) All wearing salwar kamese (otherwise known as a 'Punjabi Suit') and a veil. Cristian Women in India generally wear local dresses that's mostly in common to other women living in that location. I know, my wife is a Christian Indian. There is no traditional Christian Indian dress. -- William Black The secret of life is honesty and fair dealing. If you can fake that, you've got it made. |
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It is certainly true that India plays a major part in the diamond and jewelry
industry today, and the world wide markets in both. But please, don't let that fact blind you to the fact that the rest of the world is also rather involved as well... Peter Hi Peter & Group! I didn't mean to start a culture war here! Just wanted to pass along some background. India had an extremely large part in the cutting and "consumption" of diamonds and gems when it was home to the various principalities ruled by the Maharajahs. This all came to end at the close of the British Raj and the formation of the states of India and Pakistan. They consumed vast quantities of top and famous colored stones and diamonds - many one-of-a-kind. Many of these stones came from somewhere else - Brazil, South East Asia (Siam, Cambodia, Laos, etc.), various countries in Africa, most brought to India by traders anonymously and sold to either cutters or the ruler direct for cutting. And many of these diamonds came from southern Africa, of course. Many weren't mined in India. India does control the diamond cutting industry at the moment. There is no question of that. Marketing, control of rough, sales, etc. are largely controlled by the Central Selling Organization / DeBeers. Cutting quality is purely a matter of quality control. Many of you have seen the "junk" cut colored stones, largely cut to make them carat-heavy. I've never been sure where all those stones wind up, but I've seen literally tons of them in Jaipur - India's colored stone cutting center. Indian cutters are capable of doing superb work - also making junk - but India has always played a large part in consuming, trading and cutting gems. There are certainly other notable cutting countries - including Thailand and (now) China. Finally, gems of all kinds (as well as precious metals) have had "magical powers" in various cultures. Ray gems to excite your imagination! (tm) - since 1975 http://www.raygabriel.com |
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Ganesh wrote:
But Koh-i-noor on records still is still the biggest finished diamond. As per http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/h2g2/A730801 the stone originally weighed 793 carats. You're wrong again! The "Golden Jubilee Diamond" at 545.67 carats is the largest finished diamond in the world. By a very large margin. And the Koh-i-Noor (105.6 carats) isn't the second, third or even 15th largest finished diamond. Not by a long shot. The "Cullinan I" or the "First Star of Africa" weighs 530.2 ct And the "Cullinan II" or the "Lesser Star of Africa", weighs 317.4 ct. "Spirit of de Grisogono" (found is west central Africa), weighs 312.24 ct. The "Centenary Diamond" (btw, also NOT found in India) weighs 273.85 ct. "Jubilee Diamond", 245.35 ct. "Millennium Star", 203.04 ct. "La luz de dia", 201 ct. "Orlov", 189.62 ct. "Jacob Diamond", 184.5 ct. "Darya-ye Noor", 182 ct. "Paragon Diamond", 137.82 ct. "Florentine Diamond", 137.27 ct. "Premier Rose Diamond", 137.02 ct. "Tiffany Yellow Diamond", 128.54 "Star of the South", 128.48 ct. "Portuguese Diamond", 127.01 ct. -- Abrasha http://www.abrasha.com |
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Ganesh wrote:
A huge list of Indian Diamonds and their specialty is that they are owned only my monarchs So, what's your point? -- Abrasha http://www.abrasha.com |
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Ganesh wrote:
On Jul 30, 8:18pm, William Black wrote: The vast bulk of the jewellery manufacturing industry serving export markets shut down and people went back to their villages to await better times. These are temporary phases, things are improving now and companies regaining. India has been a international market place for diamond jewelry for the last 3000+ years. All the big Diamonds those you can think about are from India. 3000+ years?!? Yeah, right. India has been an "international market place for diamond jewelry", since 1000 BC "All the big Diamonds those you can think about are from India." The first one I can think of, and the largest diamond ever found is the Cullinan, found in Cullinan South Africa in 1905 The "Excelsior Diamond" was found in 1893 at the Jagersfontein Mine in South Africa and was the largest diamond ever found until the Cullinan was found. The third one I can think of is the "Oppenheimer Diamond" from Kimberley, South Africa. The "Lesotho Promise" was found in, you guessed it Lesotho in 2006 I could go on for a while, but that would become boring. -- Abrasha http://www.abrasha.com |
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On Aug 25, 12:42 am, Abrasha wrote:
Ganesh wrote: On Jul 30, 8:18pm, William Black wrote: The vast bulk of the jewellery manufacturing industry serving export markets shut down and people went back to their villages to await better times. These are temporary phases, things are improving now and companies regaining. India has been a international market place for diamond jewelry for the last 3000+ years. All the big Diamonds those you can think about are from India. 3000+ years?!? Yeah, right. India has been an "international market place for diamond jewelry", since 1000 BC "All the big Diamonds those you can think about are from India." The first one I can think of, and the largest diamond ever found is the Cullinan, found in Cullinan South Africa in 1905 The "Excelsior Diamond" was found in 1893 at the Jagersfontein Mine in South Africa and was the largest diamond ever found until the Cullinan was found. The third one I can think of is the "Oppenheimer Diamond" from Kimberley, South Africa. The "Lesotho Promise" was found in, you guessed it Lesotho in 2006 I could go on for a while, but that would become boring. -- Abrashahttp://www.abrasha.com This is THE most fascinating discussion I have ever read on this group...spirited and informational! I am really enjoying Google -ing each of the stones mentioned and learning the lore, mystique, and history behind each of them - thank you for sharing all this knowledge. Robyn Hawk http://facebook.com/aflyonthewallblogs |
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