Ebay Diamonds

Hello All,

I am in the market for loose diamonds. I have been to several stores
in my area, but recently decided to look at how diamonds are selling
on E-Bay. From what auctions I have found, diamonds sell considerably
less on E-Bay. I am interested in purchasing diamonds on E-Bay;
however, my dilemma is the following:
1. I feel uncomfortable making such an expensive purchase over a wire
without seeing my product first.
2. I worry that I=92m getting scammed.
3. I wonder if I truly am getting the best deal.
4. I=92m not sure what probing questions to ask for my protection.
Can anyone offer good suggestions as to how I can protect myself while
making such a large purchase? I would also love to hear from folks
who have actually purchased diamonds on e-bay. I appreciate your
advice and time!

papa smurf schrieb:
Hello All,

I am in the market for loose diamonds. I have been to several stores
in my area, but recently decided to look at how diamonds are selling
on E-Bay. From what auctions I have found, diamonds sell considerably
less on E-Bay. I am interested in purchasing diamonds on E-Bay;
however, my dilemma is the following:
1. I feel uncomfortable making such an expensive purchase over a wire
without seeing my product first.

This won´t help. Especially if You are not a diamond expert you can´t fix the
quality and the worth of the diamond by yourself.

2. I worry that I'm getting scammed.
3. I wonder if I truly am getting the best deal.

If You will buy cheap the risk is higher that You will get a banana. So it is
better to buy in a store witch is well known and eg. a company of good
standing. They won´t cheat You.

4. I'm not sure what probing questions to ask for my protection.
Can anyone offer good suggestions as to how I can protect myself while
making such a large purchase? I would also love to hear from folks
who have actually purchased diamonds on e-bay. I appreciate your
advice and time!

Look here for diamanonds wich are second hand ans so far not too expensive.
http://www.schmuck-boerse.com/index-...-diamant-2.htm

Mit freundlichem Gruß,
Heinrich Butschal
--
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Heinrich Butschal wrote:
papa smurf schrieb:
Hello All,

I am in the market for loose diamonds. I have been to several stores
in my area, but recently decided to look at how diamonds are selling
on E-Bay. From what auctions I have found, diamonds sell considerably
less on E-Bay. I am interested in purchasing diamonds on E-Bay;
however, my dilemma is the following:
1. I feel uncomfortable making such an expensive purchase over a wire
without seeing my product first.
This won't help. Especially if You are not a diamond expert you can't fix the
quality and the worth of the diamond by yourself.
2. I worry that I'm getting scammed.
3. I wonder if I truly am getting the best deal.

If You will buy cheap the risk is higher that You will get a banana.

In the US it's called a "lemon"

So it is
better to buy in a store witch is well known and

I do not agree. Buying from a "store" is always more expensive, since
you will have to pay part of their overhead, i.e. rent, insurance, etc.

eg. a company of good
standing. They won't cheat You.

I beg to differ. Some of the biggest swindles have been perpetrated by
"companies in good standing".
http://www.2bangkok.com/2bangkok/Scams/sapp10.shtml
http://www.gemsny.com/guide/top-10-d...elry-business/

And, ... remember Enron (albeit not a jewelry company)


4. I'm not sure what probing questions to ask for my protection.
Can anyone offer good suggestions as to how I can protect myself while
making such a large purchase? I would also love to hear from folks
who have actually purchased diamonds on e-bay. I appreciate your
advice and time!

Look here for diamanonds wich are second hand ans so far not too expensive.
http://www.schmuck-boerse.com/index-...-diamant-2.htm

Dude, the guy posting is most likely from the US. Do you really think
it is useful to offer him a place to buy a stone from Germany, when he
has just told you that he is not comfortable buying anything he can't see
?!?

--
Abrasha
http://www.abrasha.com

Abrasha schrieb:
Heinrich Butschal wrote:
papa smurf schrieb:
Hello All,

I am in the market for loose diamonds. I have been to several stores
in my area, but recently decided to look at how diamonds are selling
on E-Bay. From what auctions I have found, diamonds sell considerably
less on E-Bay. I am interested in purchasing diamonds on E-Bay;
however, my dilemma is the following:
1. I feel uncomfortable making such an expensive purchase over a wire
without seeing my product first.
This won't help. Especially if You are not a diamond expert you can't fix the
quality and the worth of the diamond by yourself.
2. I worry that I'm getting scammed.
3. I wonder if I truly am getting the best deal.

If You will buy cheap the risk is higher that You will get a banana.

In the US it's called a "lemon"

In Germany we call it also "mit Zirtonen gehandelt" that is meant: dealed
with lemons, if a business was bad. :-)

So it is
better to buy in a store witch is well known and

I do not agree. Buying from a "store" is always more expensive, since
you will have to pay part of their overhead, i.e. rent, insurance, etc.

Shure, however, they have due to theis bigger turnover, better conditions with
the wholesalers.

eg. a company of good
standing. They won't cheat You.

I beg to differ. Some of the biggest swindles have been perpetrated by
"companies in good standing".
http://www.2bangkok.com/2bangkok/Scams/sapp10.shtml
http://www.gemsny.com/guide/top-10-d...elry-business/


Bähh You can´t compare these with real "companies in good standing".

And, ... remember Enron (albeit not a jewelry company)


4. I'm not sure what probing questions to ask for my protection.
Can anyone offer good suggestions as to how I can protect myself while
making such a large purchase? I would also love to hear from folks
who have actually purchased diamonds on e-bay. I appreciate your
advice and time!
Look here for diamanonds wich are second hand ans so far not too expensive.
http://www.schmuck-boerse.com/index-...-diamant-2.htm

Dude, the guy posting is most likely from the US. Do you really think
it is useful to offer him a place to buy a stone from Germany, when he
has just told you that he is not comfortable buying anything he can't see
?!?

He might get a comparison of price and quality.

--
Abrasha
http://www.abrasha.com
Welcome :-)

Mit freundlichem Gruß,
Heinrich Butschal
--
Schmuck Gutachter und Schmuckverkauf http://www.butschal.de
Schmuck nach Maß anfertigen http://www.meister-atelier.de
Firmengeschenke und Ehrennadeln http://www.goldschmiede-meister.com
Schmuckmanufaktur http://www.schmuckfabrik.de
Schmuck gut verkaufen und günstig kaufen http://www.schmuck-boerse.com

If You will buy cheap the risk is higher that You will get a banana.

Is "banana" a regular term in the industry? Just curious.

On Tue, 15 Jul 2008 18:45:45 -0700, in rec.crafts.jewelry gruhn
wrote:

If You will buy cheap the risk is higher that You will get a banana.

Is "banana" a regular term in the industry? Just curious.

Only if the jeweler using it happens to be also in the fruit business, or
hungry, or something. But the poster who used that term is a german speaker,
who's use of english may at times involve unconventional translations. I
suspect he meant something like "lemon", which does have a non-fruit well
understood meaning in consumer products in general.

Peter W.. Rowe, schrieb:
On Tue, 15 Jul 2008 18:45:45 -0700, in rec.crafts.jewelry gruhn
wrote:

If You will buy cheap the risk is higher that You will get a banana.
Is "banana" a regular term in the industry? Just curious.

Only if the jeweler using it happens to be also in the fruit business, or
hungry, or something. But the poster who used that term is a german speaker,
who's use of english may at times involve unconventional translations. I
suspect he meant something like "lemon", which does have a non-fruit well
understood meaning in consumer products in general.

So I wanted to express that also with diamonds whose 4-c qualities sounds
good or fair in the first view, there could have special remarks witch grade
the diamond down. A jeweller or expert will recognize it and avoid to
recommend such a stone to his good customer.
Some who are looking for the best price will have a good chance to get such
odd stones.


Mit freundlichem Gruß,
Heinrich Butschal
--
Schmuck Gutachter und Schmuckverkauf http://www.butschal.de
Schmuck nach Maß anfertigen http://www.meister-atelier.de
Firmengeschenke und Ehrennadeln http://www.goldschmiede-meister.com
Schmuckmanufaktur http://www.schmuckfabrik.de
Schmuck gut verkaufen und günstig kaufen http://www.schmuck-boerse.com

"papa smurf" wrote in message
...
Hello All,

I am in the market for loose diamonds. I have been to several stores
in my area, but recently decided to look at how diamonds are selling
on E-Bay. From what auctions I have found, diamonds sell considerably
less on E-Bay. I am interested in purchasing diamonds on E-Bay;
however, my dilemma is the following:
1. I feel uncomfortable making such an expensive purchase over a wire
without seeing my product first.
2. I worry that I=92m getting scammed.
3. I wonder if I truly am getting the best deal.
4. I=92m not sure what probing questions to ask for my protection.
Can anyone offer good suggestions as to how I can protect myself while
making such a large purchase? I would also love to hear from folks
who have actually purchased diamonds on e-bay. I appreciate your
advice and time!

Diamonds without a certificate of origin these days may be 'blood diamonds'.

Pass them through an international border (by post or in your pocket) you
stand a chance of getting them impounded.

These days the diamond investment market is plunging like a stone. It's an
artificial market that has a very limited lifetime now that everyone has
realised that it's a cartel cheating them.

Buy rubies, you can't fake them or manufacture them.

--
William Black


I've seen things you people wouldn't believe.
Barbeques on fire by the chalets past the castle headland
I watched the gift shops glitter in the darkness off the Newborough gate
All these moments will be lost in time, like icecream on the beach
Time for tea.

On Sat, 21 Jun 2008 14:04:52 -0700, in rec.crafts.jewelry "William Black"
wrote:



Diamonds without a certificate of origin these days may be 'blood diamonds'.

Yes, but it's a fairly small percentage of the overall market. And certificates
of origin too, are pretty much based on trust. paper is easier to fake than
diamonds. The thing to rely on is the integrity of your supplier. Not papers.
In the U.S., at this point in time, blood diamonds are more the subject of
movies and news stories than a major problem. Yes, the problem still exists,
but it's only a small percentage of the diamond market that's at all suspect.
This doesn't help with detecting such stones, but the odds are still in your
favor. And of course, while blood diamonds are a social issue, they are not a
gemological issue. Blood diamonds are still diamonds, after all. The trick is
making sure your money is not going to finance suffering and war. Instead, it
should be going to make a filthy rich monopoly even richer... (grin)


Pass them through an international border (by post or in your pocket) you
stand a chance of getting them impounded.

Oh? Not likely. At least not at the consumer level or with cut stones. Now,
if you smuggle anything illegally, you can get it confiscated and yourself in
jail. Diamonds are not in some special class here. But we're just talking
about buying stones on ebay in this thread, not on buying millions of carats of
rough and crossing borders.


These days the diamond investment market is plunging like a stone. It's an
artificial market that has a very limited lifetime now that everyone has
realised that it's a cartel cheating them.

How is this some sudden thing? The market is as it's been for almost a hundred
years. The internet has changed a lot of the rules of buying stones at the
retail level, but the "investment" market in diamonds pretty much dried up a
couple decades ago. it's been back, mostly, to a gem market for traditional gem
needs. Yes, the market is a bit slow now, but not unsurprising for a global
recession.

If you really want to be looking for threats to the diamond market, forget about
some new level of consumer awareness. That'll never happen. Instead, look to
the future availability of good synthetic diamonds. That MIGHT have an effect
worth noting. But despite a number of years of loud news stories and alarms,
it's not happened yet. Either the crash, or the avialability of the synthetic
stones. So far, you can get a limited supply of synthetic diamonds in bright
yellows and orange colors. So far, not colorless. That may be a few years off
yet. And whether it will affect the market for natural stones remains to be
seen. The wide availability of many synthetic colored stones hasn't much hurt
the market for the finest of the natural gems. if anything, it's raised
awareness of those gems and demand for them.


Buy rubies, you can't fake them or manufacture them.

what planet are you living on, William? Synthetic rubies have been around since
the late 1800s, and have been getting better all along. Some of the common
types are easy to identify, but there are others that require a sophisticated
commercial gem lab to positively separate from the natural rubies. Your
statement about buying rubies is a good one nevertheless, since fine natural
rubies remain rare and, as gems go, a good investement. But you certainly CAN
fake them and manufacture them. Such fakes and synthetics are widely and
inexpensively available, and are much more common than good natural stones. And
then there are the many issues with treated rubies. Heat treated, diffused, or
glass filled natural rubies present ever more thorny problems for gemologists
and buyers every year. In fact, coming back to the buying and selling of gems
on ebay, I'd guess that someone buying "ruby" on ebay is far more likely to be
sold a synthetic or simulated ruby fraudulently, than would be someone buying
diamond, since in the case of diamond, the choice of a cheap synthetic diamond
doesn't exist, so it would have to be a simulant (not as close a substitution,
and easy to detect) if not actually a diamond.

Peter

"Peter W.. Rowe," wrote in message
...

Pass them through an international border (by post or in your pocket) you
stand a chance of getting them impounded.

Oh? Not likely. At least not at the consumer level or with cut stones.

British Customs (I'm not sure what the agency is called this week) has just
bought a very clever device for telling the origin of diamonds by some sort
clever test, probably crystalography of some kind.

I gather that if you're even wearing too much expensive looking jewellery
they get to play with it. Shipments of diamonds all get to go through it...

The UK government has a great deal of interest in blood diamonds as a lot of
them come from Sierra Leone where HMG has just fought a short but nasty war
and is busy spending loads of money on making sure it's a nice stable
democracy.

Guess where the bad guy's money came from...

If you really want to be looking for threats to the diamond market, forget
about
some new level of consumer awareness. That'll never happen. Instead,
look to
the future availability of good synthetic diamonds. That MIGHT have an
effect
worth noting. But despite a number of years of loud news stories and
alarms,
it's not happened yet. Either the crash, or the avialability of the
synthetic
stones. So far, you can get a limited supply of synthetic diamonds in
bright
yellows and orange colors. So far, not colorless. That may be a few
years off
yet. And whether it will affect the market for natural stones remains to
be
seen. The wide availability of many synthetic colored stones hasn't much
hurt
the market for the finest of the natural gems. if anything, it's raised
awareness of those gems and demand for them.

I keep looking for these synthetic stones here in the UK, but, as I've
said before here, so far nobody seems to be interested in supplying them to
jewellers in small quantities.

Buy rubies, you can't fake them or manufacture them.

what planet are you living on, William? Synthetic rubies have been around
since
the late 1800s, and have been getting better all along. Some of the
common
types are easy to identify, but there are others that require a
sophisticated
commercial gem lab to positively separate from the natural rubies.

Then I must have misheard the chap at one gem supplier.

My mistake.

--
William Black


I've seen things you people wouldn't believe.
Barbeques on fire by the chalets past the castle headland
I watched the gift shops glitter in the darkness off the Newborough gate
All these moments will be lost in time, like icecream on the beach
Time for tea.