How do I setup a studio/workshop for Hydrofluoric Acid Etching?

Hey Moonraker,

How long have you had this 'pretty good bull **** detector' for? I
think it's time for you to get it checked and get some professional
advice. It look's like it has finally messed up. Hope you have warranty
on it.

Just kidding.

Can we get back to the point now?

Regards,
Tahir.


Moonraker wrote:
"FlameNwind" wrote in message
news:vU4hg.6030$im3.292@trnddc01...
ewww, Moon! Just because of his name???? Puhleeze! Does this mean you
wouldn't help someone named Timothy (i.e. McVeigh), especially if his
header
showed he was from Oklahoma? C'mon...there are over 1.2 million
Arab-Americans in the US and nearly 2 million Muslims in Britain. Are we
to
fear them all and assume they are ALL out to get us? I'd rather be
cutting
glass...

Well, Lori...

at the time, McVeigh and his buddies didn't appear suspicious by buying
fertilizer and diesel oil, either. And, they were a group of anarchists
that hated the US government, not religious fanatics that hate everyone who
isn't a fellow raghead.

When the Muslim clerics say that they want "death to the infidels", one can
only make the assumption that they are not just blowing smoke, so to speak.
If you don't think we are deeply engaged in a holy war, you are, I'm
afraid, hiding your head in the sand. Fear the Arabs?...no! Trust them?
Not as far as I could throw a grand piano.

On Sept 12, 2001 I made a decision that I would never directly do business
with an Arab again. I have walked into, and right back out of convenience
stores, donut shops, and other businesses with an Arab behind the counter.
I have turned down LOTS of leaded glass repairs (several thousands of $$$
worth) from folks named Muhammed or the like. I would rather sit in the
shop and play solitare than have to deal with one. I'm sure my one-man
boycott of Arab-owned businesses in the US hasn't caused any of them to go
back where they came from, but, I can hope. Why do business with someone
who hates me because I'm American, caucausian, and Christian?

Other than the aforementioned McVeigh and a few Irishmen who have a problem
with the Queen, there's been darn little happen in the way of terrorism in
the last few decades around the globe that wasn't directly attributable to
Muslims. So, are they ALL out to get us? Dunno. Problem is, a good
number of them are, and which ones?

And some nimrod coming on a news group without any apparent history of glass
artisanry and being willing to throw lots of money at a system to handle HF
sure does make this old grey head wonder. I have a pretty good bull****
detector, and it went off, big time, on this thread.

Thanks Jack!

I'll contact 'em first thing tomorrow.

Regards,
Tahir.


nJb wrote:
^TahirKanch^ wrote:

Hi Harry,

Thanks for the advice. Went to the Fire Marshall's office after asking
a few people in the city office. All he cared about was I should be in
compliance. Didn't know any consultants though. But that is a good
direction to go with I believe. I'll try to dig out some consulting
firms don't know what they are called though.

So I guess, this initiates another subsidiary quest in search of my
lost kingdom


Contact DuPont chemical. I believe they are a large manufacturer of the
stuff in Texas.

From my experience, I would wear what is known as an "A" Suit. Heavy
rubber, zips to the neck with a hood and supplied breathing air. Usually
bright pink so that sane people can avoid you.


Jack

Javahut wrote:
"^TahirKanch^" wrote in message
oups.com...
Hi Harry,

Thanks for the advice. Went to the Fire Marshall's office after asking
a few people in the city office. All he cared about was I should be in
compliance. Didn't know any consultants though. But that is a good
direction to go with I believe. I'll try to dig out some consulting
firms don't know what they are called though.

So I guess, this initiates another subsidiary quest in search of my
lost kingdom


First of all, stop being such a top poster, get your response to the bottom
so everybody can follow it, lots easier.

Next, there is a trade magazine called GLASS which is meant for the
residential/ commercial glaziers and factory operators. There are sources
in there for everythng glass related, try looking online for the online
version, if I can dig up an old copy, I'll post info here for you. there is
aclassified listing in the back for everything from automated bevelers to
full tempering lines and the consultants who design their layout, same sort
of guys can design your set up, all in compliance with all regulations....
THAT is where you start at, and please, put it as close to the Rio Grande
River as possible. That way it is far away from me, and that river is
already a pit, what can you hurt?







Harry wrote:
"^TahirKanch^" wrote in message
oups.com...
Thank you! A person who has seen the results after HF etching would
never believe sandblasting would bring the same effect. It is totally
different I believe the texture, translucency and the polished
finished
cannot be duplicated by any other method, well one could try to get
the
best closest result but I am willing to bet it still won't be the same
thing.

Thanks everyone for all the good advices. But I stand with the same
determination I had before I started the discussion. I need to find
how
to make a setup here that is compliant to all the regulation.

If anyone can please help me directions as how to setup an acid
etching
facility and any equipment that's used in the setup, it would be a
great help.

Also I am still confused What is the equipment or setup that's OSHA
approved? Where can I find it?

I now understand there are no shortcuts in setting up an acid etching
facility. I am willing to spend the high dollars but I need all the
help or advise I can get as to how to 'efficiently design' that setup?

Thanks for all the comments folks. Please keep 'em coming.



The best people to ask, are the people that will do the inspecting and
regulating, they are gov'mnt officials and work for the taxpayer. If
they
can not answer your questions, they will know the consultants to help do
things correctly and in compliance.

They can also keep an eye on your ass in case you are a terrorist intent
on
poisoning our water supply!


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Thanks much!
Some how missed your message earlier. Just read it. I'll look that mag
up. If you can get a copy of it that'll be fabulous.
Appreciate it.

"^TahirKanch^" wrote in message
oups.com...
Hey Moonraker,

How long have you had this 'pretty good bull **** detector' for? I
think it's time for you to get it checked and get some professional
advice. It look's like it has finally messed up. Hope you have warranty
on it.

Just kidding.

Can we get back to the point now?

Regards,
Tahir.

The point is what I said first....even if I knew everything about handling
HF...no way in hell I'd be giving that info away over usenet, especially to
someone with an Arab name.

Moonraker wrote:
"^TahirKanch^" wrote in message
oups.com...
Hey Moonraker,

How long have you had this 'pretty good bull **** detector' for? I
think it's time for you to get it checked and get some professional
advice. It look's like it has finally messed up. Hope you have warranty
on it.

Just kidding.

Can we get back to the point now?

Regards,
Tahir.

The point is what I said first....even if I knew everything about handling
HF...no way in hell I'd be giving that info away over usenet, especially to
someone with an Arab name.



But you don't know anything about acid etching. Like what I said first
to share or not to share is your preference. Who to share with and not
to share with is your own issue. I am least bothered by it.

FYI: 'Can we get back to the point now' was for the ladies and
gentlemen who were trying to help and got distracted by your post.

You mentioned you walk out of the stores where you see an arab origin.
I am surprised you're still here in this thread. You seem like a man of
your word.

Just kidding.

So ... once again .... Can we get to the point now? ... (OR Can you
leave us alone now? if that sounds any better)

Hey Moonie....Stop this racist **** right now.
Who the **** are you? What makes you such an authority figure? Why the
hell should anyone listen to what you have to say any more than anyone else.
Bag the ORDERS


Take your racist hate
spew over to some supreamist group where they appreciate your kind.

Jesus H. Christ why do this here.

Because the suspicion is here, going to keep your head stuck in the sand and
say, " Oh, I didn't realize he was going to do that!!!"


All a racist really needs is a nice long spraydown in a quartz
cleaning HFshower to become truly washed of their sins.

HF Cures Racism wooo hoooo finally theres a cure

try it moonraker... better then Jimmy Jones Koolaid

Why , have you tried them both??




Kraig Richard
WHO???

Hey Moonie....Stop this racist **** right now. Take your racist hate
spew over to some supreamist group where they appreciate your kind.

Jesus H. Christ why do this here.


All a racist really needs is a nice long spraydown in a quartz
cleaning HFshower to become truly washed of their sins.

HF Cures Racism wooo hoooo finally theres a cure

try it moonraker... better then Jimmy Jones Koolaid


Kraig Richard





On Mon, 5 Jun 2006 23:10:46 -0400, "Moonraker"
wrote:


"FlameNwind" wrote in message
news:vU4hg.6030$im3.292@trnddc01...
ewww, Moon! Just because of his name???? Puhleeze! Does this mean you
wouldn't help someone named Timothy (i.e. McVeigh), especially if his
header
showed he was from Oklahoma? C'mon...there are over 1.2 million
Arab-Americans in the US and nearly 2 million Muslims in Britain. Are we
to
fear them all and assume they are ALL out to get us? I'd rather be
cutting
glass...

Well, Lori...

at the time, McVeigh and his buddies didn't appear suspicious by buying
fertilizer and diesel oil, either. And, they were a group of anarchists
that hated the US government, not religious fanatics that hate everyone who
isn't a fellow raghead.

When the Muslim clerics say that they want "death to the infidels", one can
only make the assumption that they are not just blowing smoke, so to speak.
If you don't think we are deeply engaged in a holy war, you are, I'm
afraid, hiding your head in the sand. Fear the Arabs?...no! Trust them?
Not as far as I could throw a grand piano.

On Sept 12, 2001 I made a decision that I would never directly do business
with an Arab again. I have walked into, and right back out of convenience
stores, donut shops, and other businesses with an Arab behind the counter.
I have turned down LOTS of leaded glass repairs (several thousands of $$$
worth) from folks named Muhammed or the like. I would rather sit in the
shop and play solitare than have to deal with one. I'm sure my one-man
boycott of Arab-owned businesses in the US hasn't caused any of them to go
back where they came from, but, I can hope. Why do business with someone
who hates me because I'm American, caucausian, and Christian?

Other than the aforementioned McVeigh and a few Irishmen who have a problem
with the Queen, there's been darn little happen in the way of terrorism in
the last few decades around the globe that wasn't directly attributable to
Muslims. So, are they ALL out to get us? Dunno. Problem is, a good
number of them are, and which ones?

And some nimrod coming on a news group without any apparent history of glass
artisanry and being willing to throw lots of money at a system to handle HF
sure does make this old grey head wonder. I have a pretty good bull****
detector, and it went off, big time, on this thread.

Javahut wrote:
Hey Moonie....Stop this racist **** right now.
Who the **** are you? What makes you such an authority figure? Why the
hell should anyone listen to what you have to say any more than anyone else.
Bag the ORDERS


Take your racist hate
spew over to some supreamist group where they appreciate your kind.

Jesus H. Christ why do this here.

Because the suspicion is here, going to keep your head stuck in the sand and
say, " Oh, I didn't realize he was going to do that!!!"


All a racist really needs is a nice long spraydown in a quartz
cleaning HFshower to become truly washed of their sins.

HF Cures Racism wooo hoooo finally theres a cure

try it moonraker... better then Jimmy Jones Koolaid

Why , have you tried them both??




Kraig Richard
WHO???


It's alright folks. Please cut this out now. It's not going to benefit
anyone by dragging this any far. It's just a waste of everyone's time.
Please put it to some good use. The blame was on me. I didn't take it
too seriously. Just because someone says something really doesn't make
it a fact. Why even bother?

Once again. I appreciate the people who tried to help. I'll try my best
to setup the safest studio possible (if one can be setup here in a safe
and economical manner, otherwise I won't do so). The first sample I
make (if I am successful, hopefully) I'll make sure I post a picture
here and share it with you all first.

I appreciate you all doing a great job in helping eachother out here.
This is a great place to share the knowledge. Please don't make it a
battlefield.

Best regards,
Tahir.

REC.CRAFT.GLASS
Help. Learn. Achieve. Enjoy!

It's alright folks. Please cut this out now. It's not going to benefit
anyone by dragging this any far. It's just a waste of everyone's time.
Please put it to some good use. The blame was on me. I didn't take it
too seriously. Just because someone says something really doesn't make
it a fact. Why even bother?

Once again. I appreciate the people who tried to help. I'll try my best
to setup the safest studio possible (if one can be setup here in a safe
and economical manner, otherwise I won't do so). The first sample I
make (if I am successful, hopefully) I'll make sure I post a picture
here and share it with you all first.

I appreciate you all doing a great job in helping eachother out here.
This is a great place to share the knowledge. Please don't make it a
battlefield.

Best regards,
Tahir.


Whether you are, or aren't anythng in particular is of no interest to me, I
take great offense, as much a Kraig doe sto racism, to authoritarian
attitutude.
Giving orders on the internet is totally useless, but the attitude that one
should "wake up an pay attention to what *they* have" to say is rediculous.
and it ****es me off...

"optiplex" wrote in message
...

Hey Moonie....Stop this racist **** right now. Take your racist hate
spew over to some supreamist group where they appreciate your kind.

(Rest of Stupid **** Snipped)

Obviously you are a product of guv'mint schools, ain'tcha?

You don't even have a clue what the word racist means.