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In article , Melinda Meahan -
take out TRASH to reply of uttered Not to mention things like raccoons, which in my area are the major cause of dead, mangled, or missing cats, so say the animal control authorities. And I believe them, because when people lived next door who had a rottweiler/german shepherd mix, they were calling animal control at least once a month to pick up dead or mangled cats or possums (but never any raccoons). Did anybody ever suspect the dog??? rotty-alsation cross has the potential to be a *really* nasty piece of goods if not well-treated and *very* well trained. Those raccoon critters are really dangerous here -- one of them that was always trying to raid our chicken pen stood about 2 feet high at the shoulders. Don't get many of them in the UK ... -- AJH alpha dot hotel echo yankee whisky oscar oscar delta at tango echo sierra charlie oscar dot november echo tango |
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I dunno about that, Melinda, sounds like a story. We have tons of
raccoons here, and a bunch of cats that roam around. Raccoons can be vicious creatures; our next-door neighbor has all kinds of fowl (ducks, geese, doves), and if the raccoons get hold of them but aren't able to kill them (because they're in a cage, and the raccoon can't get in it) they very likely die in a day or so. But I've never seen a dead cat around here, unless it was run over. I would say that the rottweiler or coyotes would be more likely to kill a cat than a raccoon would be. Although I wouldn't put it past them. We once had a baby fox that we were hand raising. She got out of our yard and wandered into the yard of a neighbor who had two dalmatians, and that was the end of our sweet little Vixey fox. In case you're wondering, my husband in a well-known wildlife photographer, and he has always had permits for keeping wild animals, otherwise it would not be legal to do so. Karen Maslowski in Ohio Melinda Meahan - take out TRASH to reply wrote: Pogonip wrote: thoughts and actions who abuse and kill small animals. In many areas you also have coyotes and feral dogs. Not to mention things like raccoons, which in my area are the major cause of dead, mangled, or missing cats, so say the animal control authorities. And I believe them, because when people lived next door who had a rottweiler/german shepherd mix, they were calling animal control at least once a month to pick up dead or mangled cats or possums (but never any raccoons). Those raccoon critters are really dangerous here -- one of them that was always trying to raid our chicken pen stood about 2 feet high at the shoulders. |
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Karen Maslowski wrote:
We once had a baby fox that we were hand raising. She got out of our yard and wandered into the yard of a neighbor who had two dalmatians, and that was the end of our sweet little Vixey fox. Dalmations are also supposed to have the potential to be really nasty animals. I remember typing an op note for a poor child who was going to see 102 Dalmations or one of them and someone had brought their dalmations and was parading them on the sidewalk, and they tore into this poor little child got their nose half hacked off when one of them turned and attacked her. In case you're wondering, my husband in a well-known wildlife photographer, and he has always had permits for keeping wild animals, otherwise it would not be legal to do so. I wasn't worried -- you have a good reputation in my book and I would never question anything you did. |
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That's nice to know! ;-
Yep, Dalmatians can be vicious dogs, but so much depends on the owners, almost as much as the breed. Karen Maslowski in Ohio Melinda Meahan - take out TRASH to reply wrote: I wasn't worried -- you have a good reputation in my book and I would never question anything you did. |
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Karen Maslowski wrote:
That's nice to know! ;- Yep, Dalmatians can be vicious dogs, but so much depends on the owners, almost as much as the breed. Substitute "parents" and the same can be said of children! ;-) -- Beverly delete no spam and .invalid to reply |
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On Sat, 26 Feb 2005 10:48:43 GMT, She who would like to be obeyed once
every Preston Guild wrote: Not to mention people with warped thoughts and actions who abuse and kill small animals. Get real In many areas you also have coyotes and feral dogs. Not in the UK there aren't, you muppet. If your cat(s) are members of the family and you want them to live more than 6 or 8 years, keep them indoors. Sorry, but IMHO *that* is just plain *cruel*. Cats are free spirits - they need to go where they choose, when they choose. Oh, and FYI I've had them reach 17, in an urban environment, with no major illness or mishaps, thanks, but totally happy and contented. Take offence if you wish, but I'm glad I'm not your cat. Our countries are very different. While yours can easily live well outside, here in The States our cats need to live different lives. Don't pity our indoor in the US kitties, they are quite happy indoors. My own three won't walk out the door even if I left it open all day and night because they are happy indoors. These three cats were not always indoor pets. I got two of them from the local animal rescue society, and the third was part of a litter of 4 week old unweaned kittens that was dumped at a nearby factory. She is the only one from her litter to survive. I have unfortunately seen what sickos can do to animals, and been sick to my stomach from the sight. I've had many outdoor pets die from car accidents, and the only one who survived still needed surgery to live. I've seen what our wildlife can do to cats and dogs that are not in some kind of protective shelter, be it in a house or an outdoor kennel. It's not pretty, the lucky ones die quickly. Domestic cats and dogs are not the top of the food chain here in the US where there are bear, bobcat, mountain lions, coyotes, wolves, larger eagles and hawks, and in some locations alligators. Those are not the only wild animals in the US that will attack pets, but they are the ones that most easily come to my mind. I wouldn't leave a pet unprotected outside at night any more than I would a newborn baby. I'm glad your pets can roam in a country that has many less dangers are there are here. But please don't look down your nose at those of us who are protecting our pets from the very real dangers that exist in our own country. Debra in VA |
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On Fri, 25 Feb 2005 16:04:10 -0700, Arri London
wrote: She who would like to be obeyed once every Preston Guild wrote: In article , Arri London of no uttered The cats like to play table hockey after we've gone to bed. This seems to consist of chasing each other over the dining room table! Anything on the table gets knocked out of the way. Don't know how they score points though LOL Left the Pfaff on said table last night...It was on its back this morning (on some thick padding) and fortunately not on the floor. Ran it through its paces and all seemed to be well. Had it been the old all-metal Pfaff the cats wouldn't have been able to knock it over at all; that sucker was heavy. Umm ... why not just banish them from the dining room at night? They shouldn't be on the table anyway (eeeuw). My cats have always been packed off to bed in the kitchen, with the option of going out through the catflap if they want to play. -- Because this is a stupidly-designed 'open plan' house: no doors between kitchen, dining room and living room. Don't sweat it. I'm sure you home is lovely. I'd rather eat somewhere that cats had been on the dining table than a place where they've been closed up in a kitchen and left to walk on counter tops all night. After all, the already prepared meal is on a plate so the food isn't touching the same surface the cat walked upon. I've got a semi-open plan house. Doorless archways for the kitchen and livingroom, and they are at opposite ends of the house. We'd love to put a door on the kitchen but since it is a supporting wall we haven't the expertise to change the arch to a real doorway, and not enough money to hire people who can do the job properly. My cats stay in an unused bedroom at night and while we are away from home so they can't go into the kitchen. And, like all cats, they behave themselves while we are at home and awake, so no worries then about them walking on the counters. Debra in VA |
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Dunno guys:
I grew up on the Queen Charlotte Islands where we had some pretty darned big raccoons! They were in our yard all the time and the only time there was ever a cat/raccoon problem was when one accidentally came in the cat entrance....funny but not funny - cats hissing, raccoon hissing and tearing all over the place trying to find the way out! Where we lived, the cats were afraid of dogs, bears, eagles - but not raccoons. And by the way: our cats were indoor/outdoor cats and lived good long lives even though they had rough beginnings (and my husband's indoor/outdoor cats lived to be 20 and 22 years old, too!) Thing about the dead/mangled cats story is that it seems to be the people with the dog who were finding the bodies in their yard! My last cat spent her nights shut up in my sewing room because that was where she liked to be! Couldn't let her outside at night because neighbours down the street had a 'cat-killer' (horrid dog - I chased it down the street with a 2x4 one day!) that they let loose at night... Anyway, my cat left everything alone but my tomato pin cushion - so I gave it to her. Cynthia "She who would like to be obeyed once every Preston Guild" wrote in message ... In article , Melinda Meahan - take out TRASH to reply of uttered Not to mention things like raccoons, which in my area are the major cause of dead, mangled, or missing cats, so say the animal control authorities. And I believe them, because when people lived next door who had a rottweiler/german shepherd mix, they were calling animal control at least once a month to pick up dead or mangled cats or possums (but never any raccoons). Did anybody ever suspect the dog??? rotty-alsation cross has the potential to be a *really* nasty piece of goods if not well-treated and *very* well trained. Those raccoon critters are really dangerous here -- one of them that was always trying to raid our chicken pen stood about 2 feet high at the shoulders. Don't get many of them in the UK ... -- AJH alpha dot hotel echo yankee whisky oscar oscar delta at tango echo sierra charlie oscar dot november echo tango |
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She who would like to be obeyed once every Preston Guild wrote: In article , Arri London of no uttered Because this is a stupidly-designed 'open plan' house: no doors between kitchen, dining room and living room. Oh blimey. How about putting them out at night? They have fur coats, after all! (hehehe! I know, i'm cruel) -- AJH We have cats because we like them in the house. Besides there are coyotes and loose dogs around here. Anyway Ruby loves to help me sew. She especially enjoys watching the embroidery progress LOL. |
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Debra wrote: On Fri, 25 Feb 2005 16:04:10 -0700, Arri London wrote: She who would like to be obeyed once every Preston Guild wrote: In article , Arri London of no uttered The cats like to play table hockey after we've gone to bed. This seems to consist of chasing each other over the dining room table! Anything on the table gets knocked out of the way. Don't know how they score points though LOL Left the Pfaff on said table last night...It was on its back this morning (on some thick padding) and fortunately not on the floor. Ran it through its paces and all seemed to be well. Had it been the old all-metal Pfaff the cats wouldn't have been able to knock it over at all; that sucker was heavy. Umm ... why not just banish them from the dining room at night? They shouldn't be on the table anyway (eeeuw). My cats have always been packed off to bed in the kitchen, with the option of going out through the catflap if they want to play. -- Because this is a stupidly-designed 'open plan' house: no doors between kitchen, dining room and living room. Don't sweat it. I'm sure you home is lovely. LOL it isn't actually. Hate it but am taking care of my mother who has no desire to move. I'd rather eat somewhere that cats had been on the dining table than a place where they've been closed up in a kitchen and left to walk on counter tops all night. After all, the already prepared meal is on a plate so the food isn't touching the same surface the cat walked upon. Wouldn't care about that either. Counters are washable and we wash them before food prep anyway, cats or no cats. We've had friends come over and park the sprog with the dirty nappy on the counter... what's the difference LOL. I've got a semi-open plan house. Doorless archways for the kitchen and livingroom, and they are at opposite ends of the house. We'd love to put a door on the kitchen but since it is a supporting wall we haven't the expertise to change the arch to a real doorway, and not enough money to hire people who can do the job properly. We don't even have walls between those rooms. Would be a major undertaking to enclose them. Would love to enclose my office though but same problem; no doorway and no wall to insert a doorway. My cats stay in an unused bedroom at night and while we are away from home so they can't go into the kitchen. And, like all cats, they behave themselves while we are at home and awake, so no worries then about them walking on the counters. Debra in VA The cats have the run of the house other than the bedrooms. We like it that way and they cause no real harm. Table hockey doesn't count :P |
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