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A potential customer of mine what's to purchase one of my ornamental
needlepoint footstools. That is usually no problem for me, just make it, ship and collect my money. This customer wants to put on this ornamental needlepoint foot stool a stitched design of the Great Seal of the United States of America. The total costs involved include; canvas, the design, wool yarn, the upholstering, her time, my ornamental needlepoint foot stool, shipping & handling - all totaled about $1000 +, -, a dollar or two. With that in mind, no one except some one looking for an early grave would ever put their feet on it. It is suppose to be an ornamental piece of furniture. Now my dilemma - it seems to me that it would be in very bad taste to have the Great Seal of the United States of America on a foot stool whether some idiot would put their feet on it or not. I told the customer my thoughts and suggested some other design - flowers, butterflies, whatever, but her mind is made up. My signature plate (name plate) goes on all of my ornamental needlepoint foot stools. I just don't feel good about the perception that some one could put their feet on a foot stool that has the Great Seal of the United States of America and my name plate on it. A few years ago I was asked to make a piano bench that was going to have the Great Seal of the United States of America design put on it. In my mind one does not park ones' butt on the Great Seal of the United States of America or any other nations' seal or flag so I refused the sale. Would anyone here "stitch for payment" a canvas with the Great Seal of the United States of America, Star of David or some other nations' symbol if you knew in advance that it was going to be used on a foot stool or piano bench? *NOT KNOWING* in advance what the design was going to be used on is one thing. *KNOWING IN ADVANCE* what the design was going to be used on is something else. Would you mind your own business and stitch the design or would you refuse? Do I mind your own business and make the sale? Am I nuts or what??? Fred http://www.stitchaway.com Don't backstitch to email just stitchit. The closer you get to perfection the harder it is to achieve. W.I.P. - "Fiddler on the Roof", "Oriental Maiden". |
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"Fred" wrote in message ... A potential customer of mine what's to purchase one of my ornamental needlepoint footstools. That is usually no problem for me, just make it, ship and collect my money. This customer wants to put on this ornamental needlepoint foot stool a stitched design of the Great Seal of the United States of America. The total costs involved include; canvas, the design, wool yarn, the upholstering, her time, my ornamental needlepoint foot stool, shipping & handling - all totaled about $1000 +, -, a dollar or two. With that in mind, no one except some one looking for an early grave would ever put their feet on it. It is suppose to be an ornamental piece of furniture. Now my dilemma - it seems to me that it would be in very bad taste to have the Great Seal of the United States of America on a foot stool whether some idiot would put their feet on it or not. I told the customer my thoughts and suggested some other design - flowers, butterflies, whatever, but her mind is made up. My signature plate (name plate) goes on all of my ornamental needlepoint foot stools. I just don't feel good about the perception that some one could put their feet on a foot stool that has the Great Seal of the United States of America and my name plate on it. A few years ago I was asked to make a piano bench that was going to have the Great Seal of the United States of America design put on it. In my mind one does not park ones' butt on the Great Seal of the United States of America or any other nations' seal or flag so I refused the sale. Would anyone here "stitch for payment" a canvas with the Great Seal of the United States of America, Star of David or some other nations' symbol if you knew in advance that it was going to be used on a foot stool or piano bench? *NOT KNOWING* in advance what the design was going to be used on is one thing. *KNOWING IN ADVANCE* what the design was going to be used on is something else. Would you mind your own business and stitch the design or would you refuse? Do I mind your own business and make the sale? Am I nuts or what??? Fred Only you can answer either question, Fred. If it really nags at your concience, don`t do it. Only the customer can know what her real feelings are about it, though, and what her intentions are. Couldn`t you just not put your name plate on it? Pat P |
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lucretia borgia wrote:
Might be one thing if she wanted the Stars and Stripes on it, but the Seal ? I heard once that someone, Washington I think, wanted a turkey on the seal, he apparently felt the turkey had been a far more important bird. Franklin, not Washington. Elizabeth -- *~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~living well is the best revenge~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~* The most important thing one woman can do for another is to illuminate and expand her sense of actual possibilities. --Adrienne Rich *~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~ *~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~* |
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Could you put your nameplate in a less conspicuous place? My first
thought was more along the lines that, in 100 years, when someone sees such a fine piece of workmanship, he/she is going to want to know the craftman. The Great Seal is an important symbol of the US, but not, as someone else said, necessarily in the same class as the flag. In fact, the rug in the presidential Oval Office has the Great Seal inlaid in it, and people walk over it every day! (I would be more hesitant over the Star of David, but only because it is also a religious symbol.) If I were you, I'd go ahead and accept the order. Who knows...maybe someday it will end up in the White House! lol Carolyn Fred wrote: A potential customer of mine what's to purchase one of my ornamental needlepoint footstools. That is usually no problem for me, just make it, ship and collect my money. This customer wants to put on this ornamental needlepoint foot stool a stitched design of the Great Seal of the United States of America. The total costs involved include; canvas, the design, wool yarn, the upholstering, her time, my ornamental needlepoint foot stool, shipping & handling - all totaled about $1000 +, -, a dollar or two. With that in mind, no one except some one looking for an early grave would ever put their feet on it. It is suppose to be an ornamental piece of furniture. Now my dilemma - it seems to me that it would be in very bad taste to have the Great Seal of the United States of America on a foot stool whether some idiot would put their feet on it or not. I told the customer my thoughts and suggested some other design - flowers, butterflies, whatever, but her mind is made up. My signature plate (name plate) goes on all of my ornamental needlepoint foot stools. I just don't feel good about the perception that some one could put their feet on a foot stool that has the Great Seal of the United States of America and my name plate on it. A few years ago I was asked to make a piano bench that was going to have the Great Seal of the United States of America design put on it. In my mind one does not park ones' butt on the Great Seal of the United States of America or any other nations' seal or flag so I refused the sale. Would anyone here "stitch for payment" a canvas with the Great Seal of the United States of America, Star of David or some other nations' symbol if you knew in advance that it was going to be used on a foot stool or piano bench? *NOT KNOWING* in advance what the design was going to be used on is one thing. *KNOWING IN ADVANCE* what the design was going to be used on is something else. Would you mind your own business and stitch the design or would you refuse? Do I mind your own business and make the sale? Am I nuts or what??? Fred http://www.stitchaway.com Don't backstitch to email just stitchit. The closer you get to perfection the harder it is to achieve. W.I.P. - "Fiddler on the Roof", "Oriental Maiden". |
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Considering that the Great Seal is ON THE RUG in the Oval Office I don't get why its acceptable for visitors there to walk on it but not for someone to put her feet up on it. E Would you mind your own business and stitch the design or would you refuse? Do I mind your own business and make the sale? Am I nuts or what??? Fred http://www.stitchaway.com Don't backstitch to email just stitchit. The closer you get to perfection the harder it is to achieve. W.I.P. - "Fiddler on the Roof", "Oriental Maiden". |
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Pat P wrote:
If it really nags at your concience, don`t do it. Doesn't nag mine! Send the customer to meeeeeee! I think putting something like that on a piano bench or footstool is totally practical and in keeping with what our foremothers might have done. It's a traditional use for a piece of art one wants to look at all the time but might not want to frame. -- Elizabeth Pop the bubbles to reply. Website: http://www.effervescentdesigns.com WIP: http://www.effervescentdesigns.com/wip.htm Work to date: http://www.effervescentdesigns.com/portfolio.htm |
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Fred wrote:
Would anyone here "stitch for payment" a canvas with the Great Seal of the United States of America, Star of David or some other nations' symbol if you knew in advance that it was going to be used on a foot stool or piano bench? *NOT KNOWING* in advance what the design was going to be used on is one thing. *KNOWING IN ADVANCE* what the design was going to be used on is something else. Would you mind your own business and stitch the design or would you refuse? Do I mind your own business and make the sale? Am I nuts or what??? You're nuts. If it were the flag, it would be a problem. Such uses of the flag are clearly prohibited by flag etiquette. The only rule governing the use of the image of the Great Seal (obviously there are more rules about the use of the Great Seal itself ;-) ) is that you can't use it in "any advertisement, circular, book, pamphlet, or other publication, play, motion picture, telecast, or other production" for the purpose of conveying a false impression of sponsorship or approval by the US Government. As Carolyn pointed out, people walk on it every day in the rug in the Oval Office. I don't think there's anything disrespectful about using it on an ornamental footstool. Best wishes, Ericka |
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Fred wrote:
A potential customer of mine what's to purchase one of my ornamental needlepoint footstools. That is usually no problem for me, just make it, ship and collect my money. This customer wants to put on this ornamental needlepoint foot stool a stitched design of the Great Seal of the United States of America. The total costs involved include; canvas, the design, wool yarn, the upholstering, her time, my ornamental needlepoint foot stool, shipping & handling - all totaled about $1000 +, -, a dollar or two. With that in mind, no one except some one looking for an early grave would ever put their feet on it. It is suppose to be an ornamental piece of furniture. Now my dilemma - it seems to me that it would be in very bad taste to have the Great Seal of the United States of America on a foot stool whether some idiot would put their feet on it or not. I told the customer my thoughts and suggested some other design - flowers, butterflies, whatever, but her mind is made up. My signature plate (name plate) goes on all of my ornamental needlepoint foot stools. I just don't feel good about the perception that some one could put their feet on a foot stool that has the Great Seal of the United States of America and my name plate on it. A few years ago I was asked to make a piano bench that was going to have the Great Seal of the United States of America design put on it. In my mind one does not park ones' butt on the Great Seal of the United States of America or any other nations' seal or flag so I refused the sale. Would anyone here "stitch for payment" a canvas with the Great Seal of the United States of America, Star of David or some other nations' symbol if you knew in advance that it was going to be used on a foot stool or piano bench? *NOT KNOWING* in advance what the design was going to be used on is one thing. *KNOWING IN ADVANCE* what the design was going to be used on is something else. Would you mind your own business and stitch the design or would you refuse? Do I mind your own business and make the sale? Am I nuts or what??? Hmmm...lessee... Granted, it's on the state level, but.... In the governor's mansion of my home state, the state seal is present on the rugs, the needlepoint seats of the fancy dining chairs (which I rested my arse on at a luncheon), and all the pieces of china. In summary: I walked all over it, I sat on it, and I ate off of it. And come to think of it, the state seal was on the napkins...so I also wiped my mouth on it. I can guarantee the dining chairs have been collectively pooted on more than I care to think about. So yes, Fred...you're nuts. The seal is meant to be used, viewed, and enjoyed. It's not like she's asking for Old Glory on a footstool. Poot: I soooo went there... Becky A. |
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"Becky A" wrote in message . .. Fred wrote: A potential customer of mine what's to purchase one of my ornamental needlepoint footstools. That is usually no problem for me, just make it, ship and collect my money. This customer wants to put on this ornamental needlepoint foot stool a stitched design of the Great Seal of the United States of America. The total costs involved include; canvas, the design, wool yarn, the upholstering, her time, my ornamental needlepoint foot stool, shipping & handling - all totaled about $1000 +, -, a dollar or two. With that in mind, no one except some one looking for an early grave would ever put their feet on it. It is suppose to be an ornamental piece of furniture. Now my dilemma - it seems to me that it would be in very bad taste to have the Great Seal of the United States of America on a foot stool whether some idiot would put their feet on it or not. I told the customer my thoughts and suggested some other design - flowers, butterflies, whatever, but her mind is made up. My signature plate (name plate) goes on all of my ornamental needlepoint foot stools. I just don't feel good about the perception that some one could put their feet on a foot stool that has the Great Seal of the United States of America and my name plate on it. A few years ago I was asked to make a piano bench that was going to have the Great Seal of the United States of America design put on it. In my mind one does not park ones' butt on the Great Seal of the United States of America or any other nations' seal or flag so I refused the sale. Would anyone here "stitch for payment" a canvas with the Great Seal of the United States of America, Star of David or some other nations' symbol if you knew in advance that it was going to be used on a foot stool or piano bench? *NOT KNOWING* in advance what the design was going to be used on is one thing. *KNOWING IN ADVANCE* what the design was going to be used on is something else. Would you mind your own business and stitch the design or would you refuse? Do I mind your own business and make the sale? Am I nuts or what??? Hmmm...lessee... Granted, it's on the state level, but.... In the governor's mansion of my home state, the state seal is present on the rugs, the needlepoint seats of the fancy dining chairs (which I rested my arse on at a luncheon), and all the pieces of china. In summary: I walked all over it, I sat on it, and I ate off of it. And come to think of it, the state seal was on the napkins...so I also wiped my mouth on it. I can guarantee the dining chairs have been collectively pooted on more than I care to think about. So yes, Fred...you're nuts. The seal is meant to be used, viewed, and enjoyed. It's not like she's asking for Old Glory on a footstool. Poot: I soooo went there... Becky A. Love it Becky - just what I was too polite to say! (Ahem - what, me?) LOLOLOL! Pat P |
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Dear Fred,
I want to stitch a picture of George Bush and put it in a footstool. You got a problem with that? In fact, I think I'll take the picture of him from this morning's paper and use it to line the cat box. -- Karen C - California www.CFSfacts.org where we give you the facts and dispel the myths September is National Pain Awareness Month Finished 8/31/06 - September Birthstone WIP: baby and housewarming gifts, July birthstone, Flowers of Hawaii (Jeanette Crews) for ME!!! Retrieved from UFO pile: Marbek's Snow Angel LTR: Fireman's Prayer (#2), Amid Amish Life, Angel of Autumn, Calif Sampler, Holiday Snowglobe Editor/Proofreader www.KarenMCampbell.com Design page http://www.KarenMCampbell.com/designs.html |
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