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another Polish loanword from Chinese



 
 
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Old September 16th 04, 12:37 PM
John Atkinson
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"willdereck" wrote ...

Harlan Messinger wrote...


(Igor Sklar) wrote:

There is another Polish/Russian word which has veery distant Chinese

roots:

Pol. farfura ('porcelain'), Russ. farfor
- Turk. farfur - Pers/Arab fagfur
('a Chinese province, a title of Chinese emperor')
- Old Pers. bagapura, translated from
Chin. tien-tse ('son of Heaven') [Vasmer, IV, 186-187]


A translation isn't a loan word. So it's a loan word from Turkish, but
not from Chinese.


I found the word in Romanian language - farfuria "plate". Romanians
are the descendants of Dacians Thracians, the ancient inhabitants of
the Balkan Peninsula and parts of Anatolia (Homer, Herodotus, Tacitus,
Strabo, etc). They are speaking a Romance language.


And of course, Romanian borrowed quite a few words from Turkish in the days
of the Ottomans

J.


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Old September 23rd 04, 08:38 AM
Jacques Guy
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Jugoslav Dujic wrote:

W_D_Great_Divider wrote:
| I have to bite - WHY is this being posted here in rec.crafts.pottery?


The original post was about origin of Russian "farfura" (porcelain),
(probably in the hope that someone from r.c.p knows more about history
of the word) but here in sci.lang discussions tend to depart quickly...



If you are discussing the origin of a word for "porcelain", which is,
isn't it, some sort of pottery, it stands to reason that someone
interested in pottery, and therefore possibly a reader of
rec.crafts.pottery, might know something. And BTW, do you
know the origin of "porcelain"? It's from a Latin word
meaning a sow's vulva.

(I put rec.crafts.pottery back into the ng line)
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Old September 25th 04, 07:30 PM
Xenia
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Igor Sklar wrote...
There is another Polish/Russian word which has veery distant Chinese roots:

Pol. farfura ('porcelain'), Russ. farfor
- Turk. farfur - Pers/Arab fagfur


AFAIK there is an even older Russian word for porcelain, also of
Oriental derivation: "tsenina", in the 15th century also spelled
"chini" and "tsen'"

Xenia
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Old September 26th 04, 04:49 PM
Nigel Greenwood
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Jacques Guy wrote

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And BTW, do you
know the origin of "porcelain"? It's from a Latin word
meaning a sow's vulva.


Versatile creatures, sows. You can make silk purses from their ears,
too.

Nigel

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