art or craft

Is what we do an art or a craft?

Was to a local "art" show this summer and kinda came away ticked
off. All the oil paintings and watercolours were in the art tents,
whilst all the stained glass was shuffled off to the craft tents.

Admittidly, Aunt Martha's 13 piece rooster made into a garden stake
is a long way from "art", but Uncle Bill's 375 piece parrot on a
branch is a long way from a craft.

At what point does a craft become an art?
At what point is art considered a craft?

Are candle boxes and 9 piece suncatchers art or craft?

Is a 28 piece lampshade art? Is a 700 piece tiffany lampshade a
craft?

What differentiates an art from a craft?

Is the intended use of the end product the difference between art
and craft? Art is created for the sake of creation while craft is
create for a profit?

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Is what we do an art or a craft?



99% is craft. Most use storebought patterns, and follow a line. Some have
the ability to raise it to an art, when they have a vision of an end product
that's somehow new and different. This in no way should diminish what you
do.


--
JK Sinrod
www.SinrodStudios.com
www.MyConeyIslandMemories.com

Fair enough, I can see that using a store bought pattern makes it
a craft. In one sense, using a store bought pattern compares somewhat
to a paint by number set, although the actual work, or craft, entails
much more effort.

But, as far as using a pattern, do many artists not do a
preliminary sketch either in rough or on the actual canvas, and then
build on it? (i'm not an painter or drawer so I'm just guessing that
they do a preliminary). is this pretty not much the same as the
patterns we use?

How much originality does an "artist" who displays 15 paintings,
all variations on one theme, show?

How many vases full of roses, or daisies, or geraniums, or
petunias, or lilacs, or dandelions must one see before the originality
wears off? How many wolves standing knee deep in snow, howling
against a backdrop of bare trees and sombre sky must be created before
the idea or theme is no longer original?

And I do agree with you, whatever it's called, it should not demean
our efforts. I suppose "art" is in the eye of the beholder?



On Fri, 14 Dec 2007 17:56:56 GMT, "Glassman@work"
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Is what we do an art or a craft?



99% is craft. Most use storebought patterns, and follow a line. Some have
the ability to raise it to an art, when they have a vision of an end product
that's somehow new and different. This in no way should diminish what you
do.

On 14 Dec, 15:00, wrote:
Is what we do an art or a craft?

What we "do" is work in a particular medium. What we use that medium
for determines whether the result is "art" or "craft"

Okay Frank, how does our *use* of the medium determine whether
it's deemed art or craft? Making 5 nearly identical panels for sale
is craft or art?

Dennis Brady, a gentleman who's presence here isn't overly welcomed
by many, produces a varied line of stained glass sailing ships. I can
honestly say I've never seen that done elsewhere. Ergo, to me at
least, it's original. However, he does it with a commercial bias, he's
only in it for the money. Is he an artist or a craftsperson?



On Fri, 14 Dec 2007 13:24:34 -0800 (PST), Frank in UK
wrote:

On 14 Dec, 15:00, wrote:
Is what we do an art or a craft?

What we "do" is work in a particular medium. What we use that medium
for determines whether the result is "art" or "craft"

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Dennis Brady, a gentleman who's presence here isn't overly welcomed
by many, produces a varied line of stained glass sailing ships. I can
honestly say I've never seen that done elsewhere. Ergo, to me at
least, it's original. However, he does it with a commercial bias, he's
only in it for the money. Is he an artist or a craftsperson?

Charlatan.

Dunno. I leave that to others to judge. I make kaleidoscopes using
SG as the principal medium. All are original designs, some limited
series, some one-of-a-kind. I refer to myself as a craftsman, many of
my counterparts (mostly in US) call themselves artists. I belong to a
UK Guild of Craftsmen, one of the membership criteria for which is
"originality of design".....
On 15 Dec, 06:02, wrote:
Okay Frank, how does our *use* of the medium determine whether
it's deemed art or craft? Making 5 nearly identical panels for sale
is craft or art?

Dennis Brady, a gentleman who's presence here isn't overly welcomed
by many, produces a varied line of stained glass sailing ships. I can
honestly say I've never seen that done elsewhere. Ergo, to me at
least, it's original. However, he does it with a commercial bias, he's
only in it for the money. Is he an artist or a craftsperson?

On Fri, 14 Dec 2007 13:24:34 -0800 (PST), Frank in UK



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Is what we do an art or a craft?

Was to a local "art" show this summer and kinda came away ticked
off. All the oil paintings and watercolours were in the art tents,
whilst all the stained glass was shuffled off to the craft tents.

Admittidly, Aunt Martha's 13 piece rooster made into a garden stake
is a long way from "art", but Uncle Bill's 375 piece parrot on a
branch is a long way from a craft.

At what point does a craft become an art?
At what point is art considered a craft?

Are candle boxes and 9 piece suncatchers art or craft?

Is a 28 piece lampshade art? Is a 700 piece tiffany lampshade a
craft?

What differentiates an art from a craft?

Is the intended use of the end product the difference between art
and craft? Art is created for the sake of creation while craft is
create for a profit?
ABOUT 10 PERCENT

Artists consider their work art. It seems to be important to them. Those
of us that do SG to make a living, for the most part are artisans, doing and
redoing the same stuff by changing the sizes and or colors. Many think what
I do is art, I always thought it was craft. I don't correct them.


--
JK Sinrod
http://www.sinrodstudios.com
http://myconeyislandmemories.com

Hi JK, it is art.
I have been playing with glass as well, I love the colours and shapes you
can do. But paint & ink are colours too, you make shapes out of that as
well, and paint a picture or print an etched plate all shape & colour,
pottery and glazes are shapes and colour as well.
We can say sculpture is shape and colour too. I just love it, and it is all
ART.

Elaine.