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And don't assume that no one wants to talk politics just because one or two
people post that they don't wish to. People, if you don't want to hear about this movie or talk about it, ignore or killfile the thread. It's easy. Personally, I am still not sure if I am going to see the movie - for similar reasons as Sooz. I support many of Mr. Moore's opinions, respect him as an activist, but don't know if I can handle the stress of the content of the movie. I do however plan to purchase tickets, even if I don't go. Becuase I support his stance on things, and want to "vote" with my checkbook, since that's pretty much all the current government understands. Money. I usually go to the movies on the big screen to be entertained, and to escape reality. This is not the venue of choice for me to watch political commentary. I would rather watch it on television in private and in small sections or listen to it on the radio. That's just me. I'll probably rent it or buy it when it comes out on video. -- Kandice Seeber Air & Earth Designs http://www.lampwork.net Patti, We do have free speech here but let's face it - if you get more than two people in a common setting, there are going to be political diagreements. Life is too damned short to try to get someone to change their personal beliefs so why bother? It takes so much energy - and for what? Don't leave because we don't want to talk politics. Stay - tell us about your current beading projects, your children's latest stunt, your grandmother's favorite cookie recipe. If you really have the urge to discuss politics, there are forums where there are LOTS of people just waiting to try to change YOUR mind. -- JoAnn Paules MVP Microsoft [Publisher] "Beadseeker" wrote in message ... I believe that we'd all be better off if we left politics off this board, even if prefaced by OT. Let's stick to beads! PLEEZE You know, I think I'd be bettter off by leaving this board.I was under the impression that we had free speech in this country, but I guess not on this board. goodbye. Patti --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.711 / Virus Database: 467 - Release Date: 6/25/2004 |
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I support many of Mr. Moore's opinions, respect him as an
activist, but don't know if I can handle the stress of the content of the movie. With the exception of the very short reference to the towers bombing, and several "graphic" war scenes about 2/3 of the way through the movie... and a mother crying over her lost son.. the rest of the movie is actually - entertaining... some of his points are made with humor.... and audience was laughing out loud. Some of the movie is SAD - no doubt -- but - it is nicely balanced with other things... There are times I would have liked to shout out my opinion of Bush -and I suspect many others felt the same. -- I think Moore's use of comic relief was intentional -- because he knew how mad the movie would make people -- and knew therre had to be some "emotional" release in it for watchers... I was not sure I wanted to go -- mom wanted to see it - and would not go to a movie by herself I am certain.... so I agreed to go -- and I'm glad I went... Cheryl DRAGON BEADS Flameworked beads and glass http://www.dragonbeads.com/ |
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No reason to leave, Patti - your post was really just fine, IMO
Kandice, I appreciate your support. Like most people, it really annoys me when someone tells me what to do. I agree about the humor in the movie, it's hilarious, most of the movie is very funny. Patti |
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"Jan G" wrote in message
link.net... There has to be a change or we will loose all of our rights. I'm much more alarmed at activist judges that are creating legislation instead of judging based on law. Many people applaud when they think that the "right" is losing religious ground, they won't be so happy when the same standard is applied to them. The problem is that there is nothing to curb these judges, unless Congress steps in and makes new laws, which is not likely to happen. These judges are not elected and are not accountable to us. That ought to freak you out a lot more than allegations about an elected official. I know I said not to talk politics... sheesh it's contagious! |
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vj wrote:
vj found this in rec.crafts.beads, from "Karleen/Vibrant Jewels" : ]I'm much more alarmed at activist judges that are creating legislation ]instead of judging based on law. Many people applaud when they think that ]the "right" is losing religious ground, they won't be so happy when the same ]standard is applied to them. sorry - i couldn't disagree more. Newbie here, I really hate to introduce myself on a controversial thread, but I can't help it. From what I've seen, an "activist judge" is a judge who makes a decision that those on the right don't like. Lisa |
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Lol. Me either. I haven't seen any of his other movies, but read about
some big inaccuracies with *Roger and Me* and *Bowling for Columbine*, so I don't think I could take anything he does seriously as a documentary. I'm with Kandice on this one. I only get out to a movie once or twice a year (that's not Disney). I want a little escapism from the real world! -- Jerri www.beadbimbo.com "Karen_AZ" wrote in message news:mZUDc.2637$nc.1081@fed1read03... I would call on everyone to consider your sources and not look to Hollywood to help you decide anything. Please. Amen. I wouldn't give Michael Moore money if he held a gun to my head. KarenK |
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i would trust michael moore over george bush any day of the week.
right or wrong, true. and dont worry, moore would never put a gun to your head. neither would bush, he'd send a marine to do it. sorry, bad joke (Beadseeker) wrote in message ... May I call upon everyone to think about going to see Farhenheit 9/11? It is truly an amazing movie, filled with information about the current administration which has been hidden from the public.. Patti |
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"Lisa" wrote in message
news:bN0Ec.194535$Ly.156855@attbi_s01... ]I'm much more alarmed at activist judges that are creating legislation ]instead of judging based on law. Many people applaud when they think that ]the "right" is losing religious ground, they won't be so happy when the same ]standard is applied to them. Newbie here, I really hate to introduce myself on a controversial thread, but I can't help it. From what I've seen, an "activist judge" is a judge who makes a decision that those on the right don't like. I think the problem is more far reaching than that. Consider this quote: "Legislative enactments, presidential actions, and amendments to the Constitution are all things which publically announce changes in the law of the land, providing foreknowledge of changes in the legal framework within which free people may plan and act. Moreover, all the processes are ultimately responsible to the people themselves and can be reversed if the peole find them onerous. Judge-made innovations are, in effect, expost facto laws, which are expressly forbidden by the Constitution and abhorrent to the rule of law. For courts to strike like a bolt from the blue hitting an unsuspecting citizen, who was disobeying no law that he could have known beforehand, is the essence of judicial tyranny, however moral or just the judges may imagine their innovation to be. The harm is not limited to the particular damage this may do in a particular case, great as that may sometimes be, but makes all other laws into murky storm clouds, potential sources of other bolts from the blue, contrary to the whole notion of "a government of laws and not of men." *** The quest for cosmic justice via the judiciary--law as an "agent of change", as it is often phrased--quietly repeals the foundations of the American revolution. It reduces a free people to a subject people, subject now to the edicts of unelected judges enforcing "evolving standards" and made more heedless by their exhalted sense of moral superiority. It is one of the most dangerous of many ways in which towering presumptions are a threat to the freedom of America." This is exerpted from Thomas Sowell's "The Quest for Cosmic Justice" (page 167) on this site http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-.../posts?page=85 My hubby and I watched a grand old b/w movie recently about the Nuremberg Trials. Spencer Tracy was the judge. It was a fascinating look at the ideas that shaped the Nazi movement and how they were implemented. The judges began to use the Nazi ideology to shape their decisions, in which innocent people were convicted of spurious allegations simply because they were Jews. In a final scene, one of the judges who was on trial and convicted made the statement that he never realized how far it would go and never meant for the slaughter of millions of Jews to take place. Spencer Tracy said that it went too far when the first innocent person was convicted. I've read many books about the Holocaust. My father was wounded two times in WWII seeking to help liberate France and the concentration camps. I've tried very hard to understand how and why 6 million Jews and 5 million non-Jews could be sacrificed to such a brittle philosophy. The Nazis cared very passionately about their national identity, and more so about their supposed Aryan supremacy. They were certainly exercising their "right" of free speech, weren't they? And their ideas were so powerful that they swept everyone with them in a tidal flood of destruction. Beyond that, they influenced a whole generation to their way of thinking, including "activist judges" who handed out the sentences that helped make being a Jew criminal. 11 million people sacrificed to an ideal. Since 1971, 3,000 Americans per day, 1.5 million Americans per year, about 50 million Americans to date, have been sacrificed to an ideal... almost 5 times the toll of the Nazi Holocaust. It started with activist justices and their sympathy for the plight of a woman with an unwanted pregnancy. It was fueled by a symbol - remember the ubiquitous coat hanger with a slash through it? It has been continued by the cry for reproductive rights - although how destroying a fetus is "reproductive" is beyond me. It is certinally politically incorrect to dispute such a feminist dogma, probably even financially suicidal to even bring it up here.... 50 million people ... and counting... sacrificed to an ideal. I'm wondering, was it worth it? The Dred Scott decision by the Supreme Court subjugated the rights of the slave to the slave owner. The disastrous effects of this nonsense is still being felt today. To relegate one "type" of human being to subhuman status for the benefit of another has been shown to be bad law, as well as morally wrong. Yet the "type" of human being known as a "fetus" has had subhuman status since 1971, thanks to activist justices. Euthanasia is next on the list, let's see who'll be relegatred to subhuman status now. Who decides who is no longer useful or necessary? Will it be the person's family, perhaps eager to collect an inheritance? Will it be the HMO, who will not find it profitable to continue a person's existance? Will it be some court, deciding when to "pull the plug"? (Wait, they do this already...) Statistics from countries who already practice euthanasia show that it is often the primary physician, the person's own doctor whom they have trusted with their very life, who decides, without any input from any one, including the patient, that their life span is over. Many of these patients did NOT have a terminal illness, just chronic conditions that were expensive to treat. Life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness... basic rights out of which all the others flow. But activist justices in 1971 decided that the most innocent and defenseless of all our citizens didn't have any basic rights, no rights at all. Slave=Jew=Fetus, it's all the same thing. And Euthanasia will add to the list: the Aged, the Infirm, the Mentally Unfit, the Unwanted, the Chronically Ill .... You? As Thomas Sowell was quoted above: "The quest for cosmic justice via the judiciary--law as an "agent of change", as it is often phrased--quietly repeals the foundations of the American revolution. It reduces a free people to a subject people, subject now to the edicts of unelected judges enforcing "evolving standards" and made more heedless by their exhalted sense of moral superiority. It is one of the most dangerous of many ways in which towering presumptions are a threat to the freedom of America." |
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I have to agree here since it seems to me the religious right has
infiltrated so far into the republican party it makes me sick. What happen to the separation of state and church. There has to be some middle ground here and I hope it swings back to values we can all agree on and without judges who see this we will continue to have the far right rule. Social change always starts at the grass roots and I don't think that the majority in this country want the far right in charge. Hopefully this will be evident in the upcoming election. Roxan "Lisa" wrote in message news:bN0Ec.194535$Ly.156855@attbi_s01... vj wrote: vj found this in rec.crafts.beads, from "Karleen/Vibrant Jewels" : ]I'm much more alarmed at activist judges that are creating legislation ]instead of judging based on law. Many people applaud when they think that ]the "right" is losing religious ground, they won't be so happy when the same ]standard is applied to them. sorry - i couldn't disagree more. Newbie here, I really hate to introduce myself on a controversial thread, but I can't help it. From what I've seen, an "activist judge" is a judge who makes a decision that those on the right don't like. Lisa |
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Newbie here, I really hate to introduce myself on a
controversial thread, but I can't help it. From what I've seen, an "activist judge" is a judge who makes a decision that those on the right don't like. Lisa Very astute, Lisa. Rock on. Welcome to RCB posting, BTW! ~~ Sooz |
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