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This HAS to be the same person that gave me grief in July and August
when I had my raku series going....long before the frit, I might add... They were not very polite, but I did a search on their bidding history and discovered they bought raku, and obviously felt I'd messed up their search! Carolyn |
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you know, I didn't look her up before but I did just now, and yes -
many raku purchases and also Scandinavian troll folk art. No. I'm not kidding. I think it explains a lot... |
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ROFL! I didn't see the troll art when I checked!!!
Carolyn "*~candygrrl~*" wrote in message oups.com... you know, I didn't look her up before but I did just now, and yes - many raku purchases and also Scandinavian troll folk art. No. I'm not kidding. I think it explains a lot... |
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Well, if you want to get technical, the frit actually is a reduction
color, which means that it's subject to the identical chemical process as what you find in raku glazes on pottery, which are, fundamentally, metal-oxide-loaded ground glass. If you took a powder of this glass and mixed it into a glaze base, applied it to a clay pot and fired it in a heavily reducing atmosphere, you would, in fact, have raku. To be completely fair, "raku" itself means "joy", and and was at one time the name of a family who produced raku pottery for several generations... and they first named the pottery, and then themselves, after a *house*. (The House of Joy? Oh my...) Originally raku pottery was simply known as "Modern" or "New Style" pottery. OK, now kick me for being a smarty-pants... but my point is, you can't get too picky about what something is named for, because it's unlikely that any one process or technique originated a word or name. For the most part, the name was borrowed from somewhere else to begin with, and the new technique or product probably has something in common with the original, to warrant the reference. -Kalera http://www.beadwife.com http://www.snipurl.com/kebay Christina Peterson wrote: Much better. Especially because it is educational, which is the correct response to ignorance. It should be kept in mind, that this could be a potential customer. I have to say, I too thought "raku" was an incorrect description when I first heard it. It still irks me slightly that the word for a process is being applied to describe a color of frit. Tina "Kalera Stratton" wrote in message ... Heh, welcome to the wondrous world of bead selling! Were I you, instead of sending that reply, I would send something more briefly condescending, yet utterly, cheerfully deadpan. Especially if they made it a publicly viewable question. Something like: Thank you for your comment! In fact, there are a number of terms used in glass that have crossed craft boundaries. I'm sure that as you become more familiar with the medium, you will encounter many more. Please never hesitate to ask if you find yourself confused about terminology! Take care." -Kalera http://www.beadwife.com http://www.snipurl.com/kebay *~candygrrl~* wrote: Well, I must have arrived! I've gotten my first rude "question from a member" on Ebay! I feel so honored, LOL! Actually it wasn't a question so much as a brief comment. And I quote: "Raku is a clay process not glass!!!!!!!!" (Please note the severe overuse of the exclamation point) That's it. Well, hm. I'm perfectly aware of that, you D.A., thanks for nothing! :P Here's my response - which I haven't sent off yet, as I'm trying to bite my tongue, virtually speaking... "Well, for your information, I am fully aware that raku is also a clay process, since I ALSO make clay beads. The name of the GLASS frit that I used on that set of beads is called "Raku Jitterbug" and most lampwork bead buyers are familiar with this fact. So the name of my bead set happens to be completely accurate. At last search, 59 other beadmakers also used Raku in the names for their beads. Did they all get the same scathing comment or am I the lucky one today?? In addition, if I want to name my beads Raku, Terra Cotta, Crackle, Stoneware, Earthenware, Porcelain, or Solid Gold Wrapped In a Hundred Dollar Bill I am perfectly free to do so. Please find a better way to use your time." Grumble grumble grump! Someone tell me not to send that, or I'm gonna... Deux Candace |
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Yeah, and maybe this person needs to get a clue and narrow their search
to the pottery category? It's not *that* complicated... -Kalera http://www.beadwife.com http://www.snipurl.com/kebay Kandice Seeber wrote: Well, that's how it goes on ebay. People can put words like "emerald" and "pearl" in titles of auctions that have nothing to do with actual emeralds or pearls. Unless the auction is grossly misleading, it's not against the rules. Such as the auctions which state annealed and are not - that's keyowrd spamming. Annealed cannot mean more than one thing, when it comes to beads. A bead is either annealed or it's not. Raku can simply refer to a color scheme. So can words like Patina, Pearl, Crystal, etc. People do stick things in the wrong category and that's why searches for "annealed lampwork beads" will still return things like jewelry, tools, etc. You can report those auctions, but seriously, who has the time? |
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Yeah, and maybe this person needs to get a clue and narrow their search
to the pottery category? This could be a good response for next time. ~~ Sooz To live a creative life, we must lose our fear of being wrong. ~~Joseph Chilton Pearce |
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Now kick you? Hell, no. Many thanks for educating me.
Tina "Kalera Stratton" wrote in message ... Well, if you want to get technical, the frit actually is a reduction color, which means that it's subject to the identical chemical process as what you find in raku glazes on pottery, which are, fundamentally, metal-oxide-loaded ground glass. If you took a powder of this glass and mixed it into a glaze base, applied it to a clay pot and fired it in a heavily reducing atmosphere, you would, in fact, have raku. To be completely fair, "raku" itself means "joy", and and was at one time the name of a family who produced raku pottery for several generations... and they first named the pottery, and then themselves, after a *house*. (The House of Joy? Oh my...) Originally raku pottery was simply known as "Modern" or "New Style" pottery. OK, now kick me for being a smarty-pants... but my point is, you can't get too picky about what something is named for, because it's unlikely that any one process or technique originated a word or name. For the most part, the name was borrowed from somewhere else to begin with, and the new technique or product probably has something in common with the original, to warrant the reference. -Kalera http://www.beadwife.com http://www.snipurl.com/kebay Christina Peterson wrote: Much better. Especially because it is educational, which is the correct response to ignorance. It should be kept in mind, that this could be a potential customer. I have to say, I too thought "raku" was an incorrect description when I first heard it. It still irks me slightly that the word for a process is being applied to describe a color of frit. Tina "Kalera Stratton" wrote in message ... Heh, welcome to the wondrous world of bead selling! Were I you, instead of sending that reply, I would send something more briefly condescending, yet utterly, cheerfully deadpan. Especially if they made it a publicly viewable question. Something like: Thank you for your comment! In fact, there are a number of terms used in glass that have crossed craft boundaries. I'm sure that as you become more familiar with the medium, you will encounter many more. Please never hesitate to ask if you find yourself confused about terminology! Take care." -Kalera http://www.beadwife.com http://www.snipurl.com/kebay *~candygrrl~* wrote: Well, I must have arrived! I've gotten my first rude "question from a member" on Ebay! I feel so honored, LOL! Actually it wasn't a question so much as a brief comment. And I quote: "Raku is a clay process not glass!!!!!!!!" (Please note the severe overuse of the exclamation point) That's it. Well, hm. I'm perfectly aware of that, you D.A., thanks for nothing! :P Here's my response - which I haven't sent off yet, as I'm trying to bite my tongue, virtually speaking... "Well, for your information, I am fully aware that raku is also a clay process, since I ALSO make clay beads. The name of the GLASS frit that I used on that set of beads is called "Raku Jitterbug" and most lampwork bead buyers are familiar with this fact. So the name of my bead set happens to be completely accurate. At last search, 59 other beadmakers also used Raku in the names for their beads. Did they all get the same scathing comment or am I the lucky one today?? In addition, if I want to name my beads Raku, Terra Cotta, Crackle, Stoneware, Earthenware, Porcelain, or Solid Gold Wrapped In a Hundred Dollar Bill I am perfectly free to do so. Please find a better way to use your time." Grumble grumble grump! Someone tell me not to send that, or I'm gonna... Deux Candace |
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(thanks for not kicking) -Kalera http://www.beadwife.com http://www.snipurl.com/kebay Christina Peterson wrote: Now kick you? Hell, no. Many thanks for educating me. Tina |
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