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Seeking Advice on jewelry moldings and metal supplys.
Hello (im new here)
I was hoping somebody in this newsgroup might be able to offer me some advice on a jewellery collection i am trying to market. I already have a collection made up (not available for viewing yet)which i am contracted to begin marketing soon but also need to have new designs made up in the existing style. I am only contracted to the existing collection and so have no experience dealing with goldsmiths and jewelers. I was hoping somebody might give me a rough ballpark estimate with example links to the costs of having new designs made into molds for gold, silver, white gold, and platinum in the full range of carats. I am also in the market for perhaps finding a new source for our gold/silv/platinum supply and wanted to know which countries are generally concidered the cheapest/best places to buy from. The existing collection is available in 14carot only, and i am told by the artist her current goldsmith insists it is not possible to have the current collection in a higher carat due to the softness of the metals. I am unsure if this response is simply because the artist does not have the time to arange higher carats or if the reasons given are genuine. I was hoping to market the collection as being available in the highest carats and finest quality diamonds and would apreciate any advice on limitations that may exist and how i might find a way around these limitations to provide the best quality materials. So much info exists on the net, it makes it difficult to filter the quality from the masses of junk, so im hoping for some pointers or shortcuts here. I will soon be moving production to eastern europe due to the very low costs of labour there and so sourcing metals and manufacturing the pieces from molds are taken care of already. I simply need to have some molds made up and find a supplier of metals and the finest quality small diamonds for rings etc. Many thanks for any advice offered. A |
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Seeking Advice on jewelry moldings and metal supplys.
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Hello (im new here) I was hoping somebody in this newsgroup might be able to offer me some advice on a jewellery collection i am trying to market. I already have a collection made up (not available for viewing yet)which i am contracted to begin marketing soon but also need to have new designs made up in the existing style. I am only contracted to the existing collection and so have no experience dealing with goldsmiths and jewelers. I was hoping somebody might give me a rough ballpark estimate with example links to the costs of having new designs made into molds for gold, silver, white gold, and platinum in the full range of carats. I am also in the market for perhaps finding a new source for our gold/silv/platinum supply and wanted to know which countries are generally concidered the cheapest/best places to buy from. The existing collection is available in 14carot only, and i am told by the artist her current goldsmith insists it is not possible to have the current collection in a higher carat due to the softness of the metals. I am unsure if this response is simply because the artist does not have the time to arange higher carats or if the reasons given are genuine. I was hoping to market the collection as being available in the highest carats and finest quality diamonds and would apreciate any advice on limitations that may exist and how i might find a way around these limitations to provide the best quality materials. So much info exists on the net, it makes it difficult to filter the quality from the masses of junk, so im hoping for some pointers or shortcuts here. I will soon be moving production to eastern europe due to the very low costs of labour there and so sourcing metals and manufacturing the pieces from molds are taken care of already. I simply need to have some molds made up and find a supplier of metals and the finest quality small diamonds for rings etc. Many thanks for any advice offered. A If you have to come here for advice, you are in the wrong business my friend. Your questions are the ones from someone who has no business being in this business. Take your money and run! -- Abrasha http://www.abrasha.com |
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Seeking Advice on jewelry moldings and metal supplys.
Abrasha wrote: ME wrote: Hello (im new here) I was hoping somebody in this newsgroup might be able to offer me some advice on a jewellery collection i am trying to market. I already have a collection made up (not available for viewing yet)which i am contracted to begin marketing soon but also need to have new designs made up in the existing style. I am only contracted to the existing collection and so have no experience dealing with goldsmiths and jewelers. I was hoping somebody might give me a rough ballpark estimate with example links to the costs of having new designs made into molds for gold, silver, white gold, and platinum in the full range of carats. I am also in the market for perhaps finding a new source for our gold/silv/platinum supply and wanted to know which countries are generally concidered the cheapest/best places to buy from. The existing collection is available in 14carot only, and i am told by the artist her current goldsmith insists it is not possible to have the current collection in a higher carat due to the softness of the metals. I am unsure if this response is simply because the artist does not have the time to arange higher carats or if the reasons given are genuine. I was hoping to market the collection as being available in the highest carats and finest quality diamonds and would apreciate any advice on limitations that may exist and how i might find a way around these limitations to provide the best quality materials. So much info exists on the net, it makes it difficult to filter the quality from the masses of junk, so im hoping for some pointers or shortcuts here. I will soon be moving production to eastern europe due to the very low costs of labour there and so sourcing metals and manufacturing the pieces from molds are taken care of already. I simply need to have some molds made up and find a supplier of metals and the finest quality small diamonds for rings etc. Many thanks for any advice offered. A If you have to come here for advice, you are in the wrong business my friend. Your questions are the ones from someone who has no business being in this business. Take your money and run! -- Abrasha http://www.abrasha.com As i stated i am in web design and marketing, not the jewellery trade, and i have a new and unique collection i am contracted to market and brand. Would i be right in saying that your comment suggests prior knowledge of jewelry craft is esential in posting to this group and that those with purely an interest are not welcome? Perhaps other people in this group might not appreciate you directing away their potential business of selling the highest quality and most expensive materials which i seek?. Perhaps someone with your stance towards potential new business has no business being in any kind of business since you have no problem with sending away the potential new business of other jewelers operating around you. Not a business skill often found in "the school of common sense business". My questions probably indeed are nieve since i openly have no knowledge of this trade and jewellery, however as some might say "everybody must start somewhere" as you yourself once did. Nobody can ever give thanks to their "start" without thanking those who were willing to share their knowledge and cooperate in the first place. words for thought i hope Kind regards...A |
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Seeking Advice on jewelry moldings and metal supplys.
On Wed, 03 Jan 2007 15:48:58 +0000, ME wrote:
The existing collection is available in 14carot only, and i am told by the artist her current goldsmith insists it is not possible to have the current collection in a higher carat due to the softness of the metals. I am unsure if this response is simply because the artist does not have the time to arange higher carats or if the reasons given are genuine. Might well be true. Post links to a site or resource with images of images of the collection. (Don't send attachments -- this is a text only newsgroup.) No one will be able to answer that without seeing them. |
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Seeking Advice on jewelry moldings and metal supplys.
On Wed, 03 Jan 2007 16:06:08 +0000, mbstevens wrote:
mbstevens wrote: On Wed, 03 Jan 2007 15:48:58 +0000, ME wrote: The existing collection is available in 14carot only, and i am told by the artist her current goldsmith insists it is not possible to have the current collection in a higher carat due to the softness of the metals. I am unsure if this response is simply because the artist does not have the time to arange higher carats or if the reasons given are genuine. Might well be true. Post links to a site or resource with images of images of the collection. (Don't send attachments -- this is a text only newsgroup.) No one will be able to answer that without seeing them. Unfortunatly i am unable to make photos available at present due to the jewellery being a unique concept joining specialist textiles to metals which we are looking into patenting before the new site is launched. I understand you are unable to give an opinion without seeing the items. I was actually trying to get an idea into the limitations of softer metals and how this applies to jewlery. Would i be right in saying that "any" piece of jewellery can be re designed into a higher carat or are some carats simply not used in the trade for certain items due to the softness of the metal?. hypothetical example: Is there a market for 24 carat watches or would a watch be too easily damaged in 24carats? I guess to sumerize or clearly explain my question: what limitations will i likely face if i want to have the existing collection and new designs made into purer materials.? Is the only limitation the shaping/design of the pieces or are their other conciderations to take into account?. Since i am hoping to source the finest materials at the cheapest possible prices i was hoping you might also have some tips for someone who has no knowledge of metals and diamonds on where they might begin. I know that the diamond trade is often seen as highly corrupt and i would apreciate some pointers or tips on how someone with no experiences might avoid getting stung without the need for years of studying metal and diamond quality theory. Can you recommend a well known reliable wholesale source which is widely recognised in the industry as being honest and reliable.? I would rather pay a slightly higher price from a know reputable source than buy from the cheapest offers. Or perhaps you know which countries are often used in the trade to source metal and diamond supplies?. Many thanks .........Regards........A |
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Seeking Advice on jewelry moldings and metal supplys.
On Wed, 03 Jan 2007 18:01:42 +0000, ME wrote:
... Would i be right in saying that "any" piece of jewellery can be re designed into a higher carat No. Strength and hardness matter. or are some carats simply not used in the trade for certain items due to the softness of the metal?. Yes. But karet is not the only influence on softness. Different metals can be alloyed with gold. hypothetical example: Is there a market for 24 carat watches or would a watch be too easily damaged in 24carats? Anyone who owned a solid 24K watch would probably take very good care of it, even if it did scratch easily. I have seen none at Walmart lately, but if you visited the Rolex factory you might find some -- I don't know. If you have that kind of money to throw around, I would certainly do some statistical market research first, and I would be very, very sure I had access to high end buyers. |
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Seeking Advice on jewelry moldings and metal supplys.
ME wrote:
Since i am hoping to source the finest materials at the cheapest possible prices i was hoping you might also have some tips for someone who has no knowledge of metals and diamonds on where they might begin. That's the kind of information I have gathered over a period of 30 years. I'm certainly not going to giver that away to some yokel in a newsgroup just because he asks for it. I don't know you. Why would I give you my precious resources which I have developed over such a long period of time. What if you don't pay your bills. I'll be the one with egg on his face. I know that the diamond trade is often seen as highly corrupt Oh, and where have you gained this knowledge? and i would apreciate some pointers or tips on how someone with no experiences might avoid getting stung without the need for years of studying metal and diamond quality theory. Oh, you want it the easy way. You're knocking on the wrong door pal. "without the need for years of studying metal and diamond quality theory." You have a lot of gall my friend. Like I said in my first response, you have no business being in this business, especially since you are obviously not willing to pay your dues. Can you recommend a well known reliable wholesale source which is widely recognised in the industry as being honest and reliable.? Yes. I would rather pay a slightly higher price from a know reputable source than buy from the cheapest offers. But only slightly of course. Or perhaps you know which countries are often used in the trade to source metal and diamond supplies?. I don't seize to be amazed by your sheer unmitigated audacity and gall. -- Abrasha http://www.abrasha.com |
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Seeking Advice on jewelry moldings and metal supplys.
On Wed, 03 Jan 2007 15:48:58 GMT, ME wrote:
Abrasha wrote: ME wrote: Hello (im new here) I was hoping somebody in this newsgroup might be able to offer me some advice on a jewellery collection i am trying to market. I already have a collection made up (not available for viewing yet)which i am contracted to begin marketing soon but also need to have new designs made up in the existing style. I am only contracted to the existing collection and so have no experience dealing with goldsmiths and jewelers. snip If you have to come here for advice, you are in the wrong business my friend. Your questions are the ones from someone who has no business being in this business. Take your money and run! -- Abrasha http://www.abrasha.com As i stated i am in web design and marketing, not the jewellery trade, and i have a new and unique collection i am contracted to market and brand. Would i be right in saying that your comment suggests prior knowledge of jewelry craft is esential in posting to this group and that those with purely an interest are not welcome? No, but it's certainly required to market it properly. And you really need to learn how to spell. -- Marilee J. Layman http://mjlayman.livejournal.com/ |
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On Wed, 03 Jan 2007 20:53:39 +0000, Marilee J. Layman wrote:
Marilee wrote: No, but it's certainly required to market it properly. And you really need to learn how to spell. -- Marilee J. Layman http://mjlayman.livejournal.com/ ME replied: Cant say i really give a dam on spelling and grammer when chatting on usenet. Im a pragmatist by nature and as long as its intelligable enough to understand its good enough for me. Its the state of the skol system here in the uk..lol. I do take more notice when designing for the web though. PS. Dyslexiks forever!...K.O! |
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Seeking Advice on jewelry moldings and metal supplys.
ME wrote:
Abrasha wrote: ME wrote: Hello (im new here) I was hoping somebody in this newsgroup might be able to offer me some advice on a jewellery collection i am trying to market. I already have a collection made up (not available for viewing yet)which i am contracted to begin marketing soon but also need to have new designs made up in the existing style. I am only contracted to the existing collection and so have no experience dealing with goldsmiths and jewelers. I was hoping somebody might give me a rough ballpark estimate with example links to the costs of having new designs made into molds for gold, silver, white gold, and platinum in the full range of carats. I am also in the market for perhaps finding a new source for our gold/silv/platinum supply and wanted to know which countries are generally concidered the cheapest/best places to buy from. The existing collection is available in 14carot only, and i am told by the artist her current goldsmith insists it is not possible to have the current collection in a higher carat due to the softness of the metals. I am unsure if this response is simply because the artist does not have the time to arange higher carats or if the reasons given are genuine. I was hoping to market the collection as being available in the highest carats and finest quality diamonds and would apreciate any advice on limitations that may exist and how i might find a way around these limitations to provide the best quality materials. So much info exists on the net, it makes it difficult to filter the quality from the masses of junk, so im hoping for some pointers or shortcuts here. I will soon be moving production to eastern europe due to the very low costs of labour there and so sourcing metals and manufacturing the pieces from molds are taken care of already. I simply need to have some molds made up and find a supplier of metals and the finest quality small diamonds for rings etc. Many thanks for any advice offered. A If you have to come here for advice, you are in the wrong business my friend. Your questions are the ones from someone who has no business being in this business. Take your money and run! -- Abrasha http://www.abrasha.com As i stated i am in web design and marketing, not the jewellery trade, and i have a new and unique collection i am contracted to market and brand. Would i be right in saying that your comment suggests prior knowledge of jewelry craft is esential in posting to this group and that those with purely an interest are not welcome? Perhaps other people in this group might not appreciate you directing away their potential business of selling the highest quality and most expensive materials which i seek?. Perhaps someone with your stance towards potential new business has no business being in any kind of business since you have no problem with sending away the potential new business of other jewelers operating around you. Not a business skill often found in "the school of common sense business". My questions probably indeed are nieve since i openly have no knowledge of this trade and jewellery, however as some might say "everybody must start somewhere" as you yourself once did. Nobody can ever give thanks to their "start" without thanking those who were willing to share their knowledge and cooperate in the first place. words for thought i hope Kind regards...A you may find Abrash's short and blunt reply upsetting BUT he is a man of fewwords but very extensive knowhow in the top end of the jewellery trade. His advice is right, because you need an indepth background and long standing practical knowledge of this trade in order not to make the expensive mistakes you will make by transplanting your webdesign and marketing skills to the jewellers business. The skills just dont transplant into the jewellery manufacturing field. Ive been a working silversmith for some 39 years designing, making and marketing my own ideas and work and still only know my speciality , which is wrought work. IE forged and raised and minted objects. Your best bet is to go to someone who is a major manufacturer and ask him to quote you to make everything you want done. then go to one of the top high st jewellers and offer them the collection. youll learn a great deal from these 2 exercises, the main one is wether its worth your while bothering with the project at all. Now as to where to get the work made. Eastern Europe is cheaper on labour BUT what control do you have over a production run a long way from where you are. Ive worked for the leading London Jewellers and know how they design, make and market their jewellery. there the ones your competing against, some of them have a tradition going back some 100 years or more. I wish you all the luck in the world idf you go down this road. |
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