Workshop supply list grump

I guess I'm just venting abit, but this really does bother me. Our guild is
having a workshop next month and we just got the supply list to distribute.
We're all supposed to show up with 40 copies of a pattern that is only in
one of the teacher's books or on one of her CDs.

When I take a workshop it is usually to get acquainted with a teacher and
her technique. If it appeals to me, then I'll buy the book or the CD so I
can do more. I don't expect to have to buy a book or at least have to hunt
it up somewhere beforehand. Especially when I'm already laying out a good
whack of change just to take the class. Since it is just one block out of
many hundreds on the CD, I would expect the supply list to include that one
block so I could make the copies easily.

Anyway, we're going to find it somehow and make the copies for all the
participants. As I said, just venting, but what do the rest of you think?
Am I out of line with this?

Betty in CT

Sounds like the "teacher" is asking a bit much. I would consider canceling
this workshop and scheduling another.

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"Clooniff" wrote in message
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I guess I'm just venting abit, but this really does bother me. Our guild
is
having a workshop next month and we just got the supply list to
distribute.
We're all supposed to show up with 40 copies of a pattern that is only in
one of the teacher's books or on one of her CDs.

When I take a workshop it is usually to get acquainted with a teacher and
her technique. If it appeals to me, then I'll buy the book or the CD so I
can do more. I don't expect to have to buy a book or at least have to
hunt
it up somewhere beforehand. Especially when I'm already laying out a good
whack of change just to take the class. Since it is just one block out of
many hundreds on the CD, I would expect the supply list to include that
one
block so I could make the copies easily.

Anyway, we're going to find it somehow and make the copies for all the
participants. As I said, just venting, but what do the rest of you think?
Am I out of line with this?

Betty in CT

No I don't think you are out of line at all. In fact I would go a step
further and explain to the teacher what you said to us.
Good Luck
Joanna

Clooniff wrote:
I guess I'm just venting abit, but this really does bother me. Our guild is
having a workshop next month and we just got the supply list to distribute.
We're all supposed to show up with 40 copies of a pattern that is only in
one of the teacher's books or on one of her CDs.

When I take a workshop it is usually to get acquainted with a teacher and
her technique. If it appeals to me, then I'll buy the book or the CD so I
can do more. I don't expect to have to buy a book or at least have to hunt
it up somewhere beforehand. Especially when I'm already laying out a good
whack of change just to take the class. Since it is just one block out of
many hundreds on the CD, I would expect the supply list to include that one
block so I could make the copies easily.

Anyway, we're going to find it somehow and make the copies for all the
participants. As I said, just venting, but what do the rest of you think?
Am I out of line with this?

Betty in CT



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All kinds of red flags, beepers and buzzers going off here over that one. I
don't know what I'm talking about but doesn't this supply list either
require that you violate copyright laws or buy her book or CD before the
class? And I'm meaning buy a copy for each participant? Polly

"Joanna" wrote in message
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No I don't think you are out of line at all. In fact I would go a step
further and explain to the teacher what you said to us.
Good Luck
Joanna

Clooniff wrote:
I guess I'm just venting abit, but this really does bother me. Our
guild is
having a workshop next month and we just got the supply list to
distribute.
We're all supposed to show up with 40 copies of a pattern that is only
in
one of the teacher's books or on one of her CDs.

When I take a workshop it is usually to get acquainted with a teacher
and
her technique. If it appeals to me, then I'll buy the book or the CD so
I
can do more. I don't expect to have to buy a book or at least have to
hunt
it up somewhere beforehand. Especially when I'm already laying out a
good
whack of change just to take the class. Since it is just one block out
of
many hundreds on the CD, I would expect the supply list to include that
one
block so I could make the copies easily.

Anyway, we're going to find it somehow and make the copies for all the
participants. As I said, just venting, but what do the rest of you
think?
Am I out of line with this?

Betty in CT



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Clooniff wrote:
I guess I'm just venting abit, but this really does bother me. Our
guild is having a workshop next month and we just got the supply list
to distribute. We're all supposed to show up with 40 copies of a
pattern that is only in one of the teacher's books or on one of her
CDs.

When I take a workshop it is usually to get acquainted with a teacher
and her technique. If it appeals to me, then I'll buy the book or
the CD so I can do more. I don't expect to have to buy a book or at
least have to hunt it up somewhere beforehand. Especially when I'm
already laying out a good whack of change just to take the class.
Since it is just one block out of many hundreds on the CD, I would
expect the supply list to include that one block so I could make the
copies easily.

Anyway, we're going to find it somehow and make the copies for all the
participants. As I said, just venting, but what do the rest of you
think? Am I out of line with this?

Betty in CT

If I'm understanding this right the book/CD was written by the teacher of
the workshop? If so and the book or CD is not listed as one of the supplies
on the list I would take that to mean she's giving permission to copy the
pattern you need without buying a book/CD for every person. That's probably
not what she had in mind but to spring the fact on people that they have to
buy a book AFTER they sign up and pay for a workshop is ridiculous and less
than professional IMO. Perhaps purchase one book for the guild library and
get the pattern from that? If she insists that the book be purchased by
everyone then I would do as someone else suggested.....cancel the workshop
and refund everyone's money.

I have no problem with a teacher requiring that her book be purchased for a
workshop but everyone should know about it up front.

In the future the guild should insist that a supply list be available before
people are asked to sign up and pay for a workshop.

Okay, I don't know about workshops, but....every time I have taken a class,
the teacher has either given a copy of the pattern to each participant, or
the LQS has that *one* pattern available. I've never had to purchase a
whole book or CD of patterns before taking a class. Like I say, a workshop
may be a different sort of setup, but it still sounds like a bad deal. If
it was me, I'd ask for my workshop fee back and give it a miss.

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"Clooniff" wrote in message
...
I guess I'm just venting abit, but this really does bother me. Our guild
is having a workshop next month and we just got the supply list to
distribute. We're all supposed to show up with 40 copies of a pattern that
is only in one of the teacher's books or on one of her CDs.

When I take a workshop it is usually to get acquainted with a teacher and
her technique. If it appeals to me, then I'll buy the book or the CD so I
can do more. I don't expect to have to buy a book or at least have to
hunt it up somewhere beforehand. Especially when I'm already laying out a
good whack of change just to take the class. Since it is just one block
out of many hundreds on the CD, I would expect the supply list to include
that one block so I could make the copies easily.

Anyway, we're going to find it somehow and make the copies for all the
participants. As I said, just venting, but what do the rest of you think?
Am I out of line with this?

Betty in CT

It doesn't seem unusual that you are required to buy a pattern or book
for a class. If this is a paper piecing class, you will need the copies
of the pattern to complete the project. This sounds a lot like the
requirements for the foundation paper piecing class I took from Carol
Doak. That was a great class, well worth the price of the book, in
addition to the cost of the class and the rest of the materials.

Julia in MN

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You're each supposed to show up with 40 copies of the pattern? Asking
each student to buy one copy of the pattern or one copy of the book or
CD that the pattern is found in is perfectly reasonable, commendable in
fact so no one is tempted to violate copyright, but demanding that you
each have 40 is way out of line. Cancel the teacher's workshop, and tell
her why.


--Lia


Clooniff wrote:
I guess I'm just venting abit, but this really does bother me. Our guild is
having a workshop next month and we just got the supply list to distribute.
We're all supposed to show up with 40 copies of a pattern that is only in
one of the teacher's books or on one of her CDs.

When I take a workshop it is usually to get acquainted with a teacher and
her technique. If it appeals to me, then I'll buy the book or the CD so I
can do more. I don't expect to have to buy a book or at least have to hunt
it up somewhere beforehand. Especially when I'm already laying out a good
whack of change just to take the class. Since it is just one block out of
many hundreds on the CD, I would expect the supply list to include that one
block so I could make the copies easily.

Anyway, we're going to find it somehow and make the copies for all the
participants. As I said, just venting, but what do the rest of you think?
Am I out of line with this?

A couple of things come to mind here. First, the teacher may not own the
rights to the material in the book. The publisher may not let her copy any
of the materials, even for a class that she is teaching.

The other is that the teacher normally gets most of the class fee. This
covers her expenses (gas and other travel expenses, preparation time,
samples, cost of materials, office expenses, handouts, etc) and make a
reasonable profit. Normally a shop or guild gets just enough of the class
fee to cover expenses (rent, utilities, use of classroom supplies, staffing,
etc). There's often not much of anything left over for profit. Sometimes
the class actually costs a shop or guild money.

The shop or guild needs to sell something in order to make some money. In
this case, it's a book and CD. In order for the shop to stay in business or
the guild to remain active, they must make some money. They can't offer a
service (in this case, a class) on a break-even or loss basis if they want
to stay in business for very long.

Copyright is a serious issue these days. Making one copy of a few pages if
you can not buy the book or it's on backorder is not legal, but
understandable (IMHO). Making enough copies for an entire class is simply
not right. It's not legal, it's not fair to the teacher, and it's not fair
to the shop you are visiting.

Demonstrations, lectures, or quilt shows on TV are a good, inexpensive venue
for "testing out" a teacher or her techniques.

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"Polly Esther" wrote in message
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All kinds of red flags, beepers and buzzers going off here over that one.
I
don't know what I'm talking about but doesn't this supply list either
require that you violate copyright laws or buy her book or CD before the
class? And I'm meaning buy a copy for each participant? Polly

"Joanna" wrote in message
news:ZvPvd.36166$Ya4.34491@edtnps84...
No I don't think you are out of line at all. In fact I would go a step
further and explain to the teacher what you said to us.
Good Luck
Joanna

Clooniff wrote:
I guess I'm just venting abit, but this really does bother me. Our
guild is
having a workshop next month and we just got the supply list to
distribute.
We're all supposed to show up with 40 copies of a pattern that is only
in
one of the teacher's books or on one of her CDs.

When I take a workshop it is usually to get acquainted with a teacher
and
her technique. If it appeals to me, then I'll buy the book or the CD
so
I
can do more. I don't expect to have to buy a book or at least have to
hunt
it up somewhere beforehand. Especially when I'm already laying out a
good
whack of change just to take the class. Since it is just one block
out
of
many hundreds on the CD, I would expect the supply list to include
that
one
block so I could make the copies easily.

Anyway, we're going to find it somehow and make the copies for all the
participants. As I said, just venting, but what do the rest of you
think?
Am I out of line with this?

Betty in CT



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I should have made it clear that it is just one small paper-piecing pattern,
probably a 4" square. But that's why we were so taken aback. It just
doesn't seem out-of-line to have that one pattern included as part of the
supply list which is only given to class participants. Or at least provided
to the organizers so they can make the copies.

Betty in CT