Speaking of framing

Reading Linda and Shannon's remarks on framing with mats brings
up a question in my mind. I just took a one nite framing/matting
class and it was all very interesting. But the issue of glass
never came up -- probably because the class was aimed at photo
framing. So my question is: do you use mats without glass when
framing needlework? I like the idea of using mats in order to
frame odd sized pieces of needlework into standard sized frames,
but without glass -- which I prefer -- does it look wierd? Do the
mats warp after a while if not under glass? I've found that most
standard frames will hold the foam core board and fabric and
would probably hold a mat, but would it also hold the glass?
Seems like a standard frame just isn't deep enough to hold all
the depth of the various pieces to be included within the frame.

Kathy Tabb

I never use glass. I don't like the look of it and as you said most frames
just do not have enough room for the foamcore, mats and glass. I can't say
over the long term but so far none of my mats have warped .
Beverly B
"Kathy Tabb" wrote in message
...
Reading Linda and Shannon's remarks on framing with mats brings
up a question in my mind. I just took a one nite framing/matting
class and it was all very interesting. But the issue of glass
never came up -- probably because the class was aimed at photo
framing. So my question is: do you use mats without glass when
framing needlework? I like the idea of using mats in order to
frame odd sized pieces of needlework into standard sized frames,
but without glass -- which I prefer -- does it look wierd? Do the
mats warp after a while if not under glass? I've found that most
standard frames will hold the foam core board and fabric and
would probably hold a mat, but would it also hold the glass?
Seems like a standard frame just isn't deep enough to hold all
the depth of the various pieces to be included within the frame.

Kathy Tabb

I always use glass, and conservation glass at that! I live in the
greater Los Angeles area, where we have smog, construction of all
types, infrastructure renovations, and fires in the surrounding areas
with ashfall locally. I don't live in a hermetically sealed
mayonnaise jar.

On Tue, 11 Nov 2003 13:44:09 -0500, "Beverly B"
wrote:

I never use glass. I don't like the look of it and as you said most frames
just do not have enough room for the foamcore, mats and glass. I can't say
over the long term but so far none of my mats have warped .
Beverly B
"Kathy Tabb" wrote in message
...
Reading Linda and Shannon's remarks on framing with mats brings
up a question in my mind. I just took a one nite framing/matting
class and it was all very interesting. But the issue of glass
never came up -- probably because the class was aimed at photo
framing. So my question is: do you use mats without glass when
framing needlework? I like the idea of using mats in order to
frame odd sized pieces of needlework into standard sized frames,
but without glass -- which I prefer -- does it look wierd? Do the
mats warp after a while if not under glass? I've found that most
standard frames will hold the foam core board and fabric and
would probably hold a mat, but would it also hold the glass?
Seems like a standard frame just isn't deep enough to hold all
the depth of the various pieces to be included within the frame.

Kathy Tabb




Darla
Sacred cows make great hamburgers.

I don't live in a hermetically sealed
mayonnaise jar.

I take it your new place isn't Funk and Wagnall's back porch?

Sara, dating herself
WIPS: ?

On 12 Nov 2003 14:03:48 GMT, (Bmciowa) wrote:

I don't live in a hermetically sealed
mayonnaise jar.

I take it your new place isn't Funk and Wagnall's back porch?

Sara, dating herself
WIPS: ?

Okay, I know the "F&W" reference ("Look *that* up in your Funk &
Wagnall's!"), but I don't get the "back porch" reference.

Actually, it's quite nice, even considering it's on a major street.
More spacious, though it's a matter of working out how best to arrange
things. Put the floss boxes (those 60-drawer parts cabinets) up the
other day, and when I later looked in the closet of the adacent room,
there were the nails, sticking through the wall! Haven't decided
where to hang "Spirit Woman" yet, with all her ribbons hanging off
her.
Darla
Sacred cows make great hamburgers.

Okay, I know the "F&W" reference ("Look *that* up in your Funk &
Wagnall's!"), but I don't get the "back porch" reference.


Johnny Carson.

Sara
WIPS: ?

Funk &
Wagnall's!"), but I don't get the "back porch" reference.


Johnny Carson.


Sorry to expound on my own post, but Karnak the Magnificent to be precise.

Sara
WIPS: ?

Thank you! I was afraid I was the only one who thought of that. Some
may think I'm a bit young to remember that but my parents worked second
shift and I didn't have a bedtime. Ah, the good old nights.

Bmciowa wrote:
I don't live in a hermetically sealed
mayonnaise jar.


I take it your new place isn't Funk and Wagnall's back porch?

Sara, dating herself

--
Brenda Lewis
WIP: "Big Bird", Janlynn -- *DONE!*

I always have glass, usually double mats, foam core, fabric....the works.
It always seems to fit just fine. Luckily I don't do most of my framing
work though. I hand it all over to my MIL who happens to be a professional
framer! I did have to take one of my framed pieces apart and re-stitch a
section, and then put it all back together again though.

--
Dannielle from NY
http://www.beitzell.com/dannielle/index.htm




"Kathy Tabb" wrote in message
...
Reading Linda and Shannon's remarks on framing with mats brings
up a question in my mind. I just took a one nite framing/matting
class and it was all very interesting. But the issue of glass
never came up -- probably because the class was aimed at photo
framing. So my question is: do you use mats without glass when
framing needlework? I like the idea of using mats in order to
frame odd sized pieces of needlework into standard sized frames,
but without glass -- which I prefer -- does it look wierd? Do the
mats warp after a while if not under glass? I've found that most
standard frames will hold the foam core board and fabric and
would probably hold a mat, but would it also hold the glass?
Seems like a standard frame just isn't deep enough to hold all
the depth of the various pieces to be included within the frame.

Kathy Tabb

On 11/11/03 12:51 PM,"Kathy Tabb" posted:

*snip*
framing. So my question is: do you use mats without glass when
framing needlework? I like the idea of using mats in order to
frame odd sized pieces of needlework into standard sized frames,
but without glass -- which I prefer -- does it look wierd? Do the
mats warp after a while if not under glass? I've found that most
standard frames will hold the foam core board and fabric and
would probably hold a mat, but would it also hold the glass?
*snip*

Good questions. Personally, I think matted needlework without glass looks
kind of odd. And the mats themselves will tend to get dirty. In the
LNS/Framers which I'd been working at, we do a lot of NW framing. Both with
and without glass. Almost the only times that we frame with mats, but no
glass, is when someone is shipping a piece - and then the 'gift' recipient
can just add the glass locally. Saves from the danger of glass breaking and
damaging the needlework, and a little weight in the package.

For no-glass, we typically put a little padding behind the needlework - like
quilt batting - a little fluffy - on the foamcore, and then stretch the
needlework over that. It has a nice look, and isn't puffed up. But, it does
take time to get it properly stretched (nothing goes out not absolutely
straight on grain).

With glass, if no mat, then we put a spacer to keep the glass off the
fabric. Same as with watercolors or prints. For space in the frame back,
well it depends on the frame. Most frames will accomoadate a single mat,
foamcore, glass. IME most or at least many will handle a double mat - but
depending on the rabid depth, it might end with a slightly raised back - so
it takes some skill to enclose it all without splitting the frame, etc. And
then covering/sealing with a dust cover (heavy paper). Sometimes a frame
just isn't sufficient to the mounting that a person wants, so it's a
question of looking for one with enough depth.

That said, if you're using frames sold in craft shops, or dept stores,
pre-wrapped, or meant for photos - those are generally not as deep as those
a framer is ordering. But, there are catalogs and web-sites that you can
order from who carry the more 'commercial' brands. You just have to look at
the frame depths. Also, if you're using a photo frame - you could change the
back - don't use the 'slide in' backing/stand thing. Just do your foamcoare
and mat/glass then seal the back.

Bottom line - it's all a matter of what you like, your taste, and where
you'll ultimately have your piece (environment). There is no wrong choice -
except glass without spacers or a mat - do what makes you happy, and fits
your budget!

ellice