Ot i wanted for once to see

Making ugly nasty accusations , is out of place ,
check your facts ,
mirjam
On Thu, 28 Aug 2003 02:22:30 GMT, Darla wrote:

With US assistance the Israelis have the fire
power to enforce their will.
And that's the truly ugly part. Kinda like the way Shrubya enforcing
his will on everyone. Vile. And Hitlerian.
Darla
Sacred cows make great hamburgers.

Lynne
I understood you exactly , But just to be on the safe side i did the
same I do with Documents i translate, or research i give it out for
second opinions, the experts were disgusted, The way you portray
yourself in public is none of my business.
mirjam .


I'm sorry you were offended by my comments. I would never presume to
tell you to change your mind or your convictions, and that's not what
I meant at all. I'm afraid that once again we have failed to communicate,
but there is no point attempting to dissect it or go into it further.

Lynne

Not really - but much better than some. I confess to not knowing about him,
so had a look through Google. Beautiful work, and I`d certainly go to an
exhibition if there was one nice and handy.

I`m too much of a realist, I suppose (hence my designs). Beautiful scenes
and animals (particularly horses) are my favourite subjects.

Pat P
"Dr. Brat" wrote in message
...
Pat Porter wrote:
Na - don`t like Dali either! In fact I can`t think of a modern artist I
DO
like, offhand.

How about Maxfield Parrish?

Elizabeth
--
*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~living well is the best revenge~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*
The most important thing one woman can do for another is to illuminate
and expand her sense of actual possibilities. --Adrienne Rich
*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~ *~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*

"Darla" wrote in message
news
With US assistance the Israelis have the fire
power to enforce their will.
And that's the truly ugly part. Kinda like the way Shrubya enforcing
his will on everyone. Vile. And Hitlerian.
Darla
Sacred cows make great hamburgers.

Oh Darla, you sure made a great hamburger with THAT little comment!
ROFLMAO!

Pat P.

"Cindy Clayton" wrote in message
...
On 24 Aug 2003 02:46:15 GMT, ekoluvr (Tia
Mary-remove nekoluvr to reply ) wrote:

From: "Aynthem"

Perhaps the solution is to simply get rid of religions. ................

Sounds good but wouldn't work with humans! We need that "higher"
entity --
who or what ever it may be -- to thank or blame as the case may be.


Just a reminder, Tia Mary, that not *all* humans feel this need.

Humankind taken as a whole, especially over the span of recorded
history, does display the tendency to put its hopes and fears into
godheads--but it isn't necessarily hard-coded into the human psyche! I
was raised without religious indoctrination, as were many people, and
I don't suffer from "deity envy," not even some of the time.

I agree that it's not feasible to get rid of all religions, but I
disagree that it's because of some inner need. Religions are a matter
of habit and tradition, and these are hard to budge.

Cheers,

Cindy Clayton
Houston, Texas, USA

It`s one thing that Karl Marx got right, describing religion as "The opium
of the masses".

Pat P.

wrote in message
...
On Tue, 26 Aug 2003 20:32:26 GMT, (Cindy
Clayton) wrote:

On 24 Aug 2003 02:46:15 GMT, ekoluvr (Tia
Mary-remove nekoluvr to reply ) wrote:

From: "Aynthem"

Perhaps the solution is to simply get rid of religions.
.................

Sounds good but wouldn't work with humans! We need that "higher"
entity --
who or what ever it may be -- to thank or blame as the case may be.


Just a reminder, Tia Mary, that not *all* humans feel this need.

Humankind taken as a whole, especially over the span of recorded
history, does display the tendency to put its hopes and fears into
godheads--but it isn't necessarily hard-coded into the human psyche! I
was raised without religious indoctrination, as were many people, and
I don't suffer from "deity envy," not even some of the time.

I agree that it's not feasible to get rid of all religions, but I
disagree that it's because of some inner need. Religions are a matter
of habit and tradition, and these are hard to budge.

Cheers,

Cindy Clayton
Houston, Texas, USA

You just made me feel better. I was raised in a religious type of way
and came to a decision to be agnostic with what I felt was knowledge.

I raised my kids in a non-religious manner. We did not attend
church, nor did they receive any religious instruction. Later I
wondered whether in trying to not influence them, I had in fact
influenced them in a negative manner.

Now I feel as I read that you received no religious influence in your
life and you do not miss it, that that applies to my kids too. So
perhaps that is as it should be, it just takes one generation of
consciously not promoting a god in the sky, to eliminate the feeling
that there is one and the consequent crutch it produces.

To my way of thinking, it is sheer vanity to think there is anything
more in store for humans. Little tiny blips in an infinitesimal
universe.

Sheena

Pretty much like me, Sheena, only I became an atheist. Not in any way an
adverse reaction to my convent education, which I loved - just, as you say,
thinking more. (I even got half-way through my instruction for becoming a
Catholic, only prevented attending further by illness).

However, I sent all our kids to Sunday School. Sue became a Catholic -
Richard`s not really committed either way, and Jane, who has always been my
doppelganger, and fellow cynic is an atheist, too. In fact only the other
day John and I memntioned funerals and I said I wanted nothing to do with a
religious ceremony - just whatever happened to be my favourite music at the
time. (At present my choice would be "Wind beneath my wings" and "Where are
the clowns"). John was absolutely horrified, poor dear.

There you are - another potentially interesting thread - what two pieces of
music would you like at your funeral? (but change the subject line?)

Pat P

We do as Christians have been doing for centuries, Anne - joining in the fun
and celebrations and hijacking what were originally Pagan festivals!

There`s no reason to throw the baby out with the bath-water!

Pat P

"Anne Tuchscherer" wrote in message
s.com...
I understand there are several agnostics and aetheists (sp) members of
RCTN. For
my own edification I was wondering what "non-religious" folks do with/at
Christmas
or Easter (I chose those two because they have become so secularized). I
know that
the major religions of the world have their own high day observations.

I am not sure I am saying this very clearly. I am not meaning to offend
anyone.
Most, if not all, of my friends are people I have met through the
different
churches I have attended throughout my life so I don't really know anyone
(up close
and personal) that doesn't share my general beliefs.

Anne (in Ellicott City, MD)

wrote:

On Tue, 26 Aug 2003 20:32:26 GMT, (Cindy
Clayton) wrote:

On 24 Aug 2003 02:46:15 GMT, ekoluvr (Tia
Mary-remove nekoluvr to reply ) wrote:

From: "Aynthem"

Perhaps the solution is to simply get rid of religions.
.................

Sounds good but wouldn't work with humans! We need that "higher"
entity --
who or what ever it may be -- to thank or blame as the case may be.


Just a reminder, Tia Mary, that not *all* humans feel this need.

Humankind taken as a whole, especially over the span of recorded
history, does display the tendency to put its hopes and fears into
godheads--but it isn't necessarily hard-coded into the human psyche! I
was raised without religious indoctrination, as were many people, and
I don't suffer from "deity envy," not even some of the time.

I agree that it's not feasible to get rid of all religions, but I
disagree that it's because of some inner need. Religions are a matter
of habit and tradition, and these are hard to budge.

Cheers,

Cindy Clayton
Houston, Texas, USA

You just made me feel better. I was raised in a religious type of way
and came to a decision to be agnostic with what I felt was knowledge.

I raised my kids in a non-religious manner. We did not attend
church, nor did they receive any religious instruction. Later I
wondered whether in trying to not influence them, I had in fact
influenced them in a negative manner.

Now I feel as I read that you received no religious influence in your
life and you do not miss it, that that applies to my kids too. So
perhaps that is as it should be, it just takes one generation of
consciously not promoting a god in the sky, to eliminate the feeling
that there is one and the consequent crutch it produces.

To my way of thinking, it is sheer vanity to think there is anything
more in store for humans. Little tiny blips in an infinitesimal
universe.

Sheena

If your "experts" who read Lynne's comments were "disgusted" at Lynne's
comments, then it is no wonder to me that the U.S. is totally
misunderstood and that foreigners are having a difficult time
understanding us. Though you will never admit to this (i.e. the fact
that you don't understand).

Lynne was being gentle, straight forward, and gave an honest evaluation
of your original post. She was not mean-spirited in her remarks. Quite
the contrary. Nor was she being a hypocrit.

I was teaching piano to a Korean boy and he hated his lessons. He
wouldn't practise. Our whole lesson time was spent with him not
cooperating and being angry. I had several long talks with him, for I
knew what he was feeling. I talked to his parents about it, explaining
quite gently what was going on, and that it was pointless for me to
teach him. The mother cried, the father was shocked. I had a friend
who was Korean and I called her. I was in quite an emotional state.
She explained to me that I had insulted the family. But not to worry.
She would talk to them. She said I did the right thing.

I was so devastated by this experience that I have never forgotten it.
And by your words - often enough - I can tell that you just see our
"words" differently than we mean them. But you refuse to admit it. And
you often refuse to try to understand.

You have a point of view, and you are sticking to it . . . no matter what.

Dianne

Mirjam Bruck-Cohen wrote:
Lynne
I understood you exactly , But just to be on the safe side i did the
same I do with Documents i translate, or research i give it out for
second opinions, the experts were disgusted, The way you portray
yourself in public is none of my business.
mirjam .


I'm sorry you were offended by my comments. I would never presume to
tell you to change your mind or your convictions, and that's not what
I meant at all. I'm afraid that once again we have failed to communicate,
but there is no point attempting to dissect it or go into it further.

Lynne

"Pat Porter" wrote in message
...


It`s one thing that Karl Marx got right, describing religion as "The opium
of the masses".

These days, in that phrase, you could replace 'religion' with 'sports'.

E

"emerald" wrote in message
news:aSJ3b.91244$K44.35430@edtnps84...

"Pat Porter" wrote in message
...


It`s one thing that Karl Marx got right, describing religion as "The
opium
of the masses".

These days, in that phrase, you could replace 'religion' with 'sports'.

E

That`s the truth, Emerald! In the UK Football supercedes everythuing.
Fortunately, neither of us have the slightest interest in it. We watch the
Scotland/England and Scotland/Wales Rugby but that`s about it!

Pat P