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"Lucille" wrote
You're right--I was referring to the Arab nations. Unless I'm misreading
Sheena's note she stated that the Palestinians aren't being educated by
Israel.

Sheena wrote:
"Well it is quite evident on news casts when you see the latest school
(usually funded, built and supplied with money from countries like
Sweden, Canada, Finland) being raised to the ground by a gunship that
not much education is going to be done there!"

I don't interpret that the same way you do. To me all it meant was that
school buildings have been demolished, thus precluding any classes being
held there.

You would think that with all that land they could find a place
for them to live other than a tiny, overcrowded country but instead they
use
them.

I suppose that's one way to look at it. But why is it so overcrowded?
Perhaps if millions of people didn't have the right to move there,
automatically, by virtue of their faith, it wouldn't be such a problem.
And I'm not just thinking of the conflict. I also thinking of resources,
like water, especially water.............

Maybe someone with more knowledge than I can tell me--Do
these people really care whether the piece of ground they live on, and
raise
their families on, is on one side of the border or the other?

I suspect that's a very individual thing.
I'm not at all attached to the piece of land from which my original clan was
evicted three hundred years ago, but I have time on my side! The state of
Israel was created within living memory and I am very sure that many people
still want to go back to their particular village or piece of land - "home",
as they see it. Maybe that will change as the generations pass.

E

Darla wrote:
Was it Ford that had the two-way tailgates on their station wagons?
You could open them down or sideways (hinged on the left, as I
recall).

Yep.. We had one when I was a girl. They might have been available on
other makes too (istr that Buick had one on the Roadmasters), but we
only had Fords.

jenn
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"Lucille" wrote in message
et...
Thanks for a good explanation of why I'm so exasperated. And you're
right,
why would I be insulted if someone called me intelligent and talented.
Lucille

"Dr. Brat" wrote in message
...
Pat Porter wrote:
I still can see nothing whatsoever insulting - not even a little bit,
in
what I said. Where was a backward compliment in it? They ARE usually
high
achievers - possibly because they`ve had so much to contend with. As
have
the Scots. What on earth is insulting about that?

Actually, it's a generalization about both groups. There were and are
many poor Scots, just as there were and are many poor Jews. In
particular, the Jews of Central and Eastern Europe were *not* generally
high achievers. They were herded into ghettos long before Hitler where
many suffered miserable existences and "achieved" little or nothing by
world standards. They're a people like any other with a rich and varied
history, like any other.

I don't find your statement insulting but I do find it highly
oversimplified, and perhaps that's Lucille's problem with it.

Elizabeth
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*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~living well is the best revenge~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*
The most important thing one woman can do for another is to illuminate
and expand her sense of actual possibilities. --Adrienne Rich
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It`s actually not a generalisation - but it`s a fact, that those two groups,
in particular, seem to be higher achievers than the norm - both from general
(that word again) observation and from personal experience of far more than
just myself.

Pat P.

Mirjam Bruck-Cohen wrote:

i do not tell you how to run your life , stop playing with mine ,,
thank you ..

What a raving hypocrite you are, Mirjam! You come here and tell us how
to run our lives all the time. That's what your original post was
about: telling us what we should care about and what we should post about.

If you tried for once being a little less critical of others on this
group, you might find them less critical of you. But no. Just like
your government, you're too busy defending your precious self to give
change a chance to happen.

Elizabeth
--
*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~living well is the best revenge~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*
The most important thing one woman can do for another is to illuminate
and expand her sense of actual possibilities. --Adrienne Rich
*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~ *~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*

Jenn Ridley wrote:
Darla wrote:

Was it Ford that had the two-way tailgates on their station wagons?
You could open them down or sideways (hinged on the left, as I
recall).

Yep.. We had one when I was a girl. They might have been available on
other makes too (istr that Buick had one on the Roadmasters), but we
only had Fords.

We had a Chevy wagon that did that.

Elizabeth (another data point)
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*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~living well is the best revenge~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*
The most important thing one woman can do for another is to illuminate
and expand her sense of actual possibilities. --Adrienne Rich
*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~ *~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*

Who was wrong? I just don`t believe in waffling on with something that can
be expressed in half the space.;-)

Pat P

"Dr. Brat" wrote in message
...
Pat Porter wrote:
Well, unless you "over simplify" you just flood the ng with ginormous
posts - therefore it`s better to cut to the chase and assume that people
have enough nouse to comprehend the rest of it! LOL!

Don't have the backbone to admit that you were wrong, eh? There's much
to be said for at least attempting to communicate precisely.

Elizabeth

"Dr. Brat" wrote in message
...

Pat Porter wrote:

I still can see nothing whatsoever insulting - not even a little bit,
in
what I said. Where was a backward compliment in it? They ARE usually

high

achievers - possibly because they`ve had so much to contend with. As

have

the Scots. What on earth is insulting about that?

Actually, it's a generalization about both groups. There were and are
many poor Scots, just as there were and are many poor Jews. In
particular, the Jews of Central and Eastern Europe were *not* generally
high achievers. They were herded into ghettos long before Hitler where
many suffered miserable existences and "achieved" little or nothing by
world standards. They're a people like any other with a rich and varied
history, like any other.

I don't find your statement insulting but I do find it highly
oversimplified, and perhaps that's Lucille's problem with it.

Elizabeth
--
*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~living well is the best revenge~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*
The most important thing one woman can do for another is to illuminate
and expand her sense of actual possibilities. --Adrienne Rich
*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~ *~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*







--
*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~living well is the best revenge~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*
The most important thing one woman can do for another is to illuminate
and expand her sense of actual possibilities. --Adrienne Rich
*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~ *~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*

"Dr. Brat" wrote
It's a fact? Can you provide me with a context and the indices that
have shown this to be a fact? Are you talking in the UK, in the US, in
the world in general? Who conducted the tests? What are the measures
involved? What is the domain of this norm to which you refer?

Without that information, it's still a generalization, despite your
protests to the contrary.

Elizabeth
--
Look out, Elizabeth, if you dare to suggest that there`s no proof of the
fact that "God`s chosen race" aren`t in great numbers in the upper echelons
of medicine, business, etc., you`ll be getting accused of being anti-semitic
too! One thing`s for sure, in this discussion you just can`t win! LOL!
Like I believe I said, it`s just observation over the years. Or of course,
there`s always the possibility that if they aren`t as numerous as appears,
they may just be the ones that shout the loudest!

Pat P.

Thank you Elizabeth ! at least you now JUDGE this lady as well ,,,
I assure you that if This lady would Stop her Constant postings in
this manner , you won`t see me react , as long as she posts her
Anti-Jewish + anti other minorities racial stuff i will not stop
posting as well ,,,,, this is a promise if she and her Entourage stop
i will stop reacting
mirjam
... On Sun, 31 Aug 2003 15:18:56 GMT, "Dr. Brat"
wrote:

Pat Porter wrote:
I still can see nothing whatsoever insulting - not even a little bit, in
what I said. Where was a backward compliment in it? They ARE usually high
achievers - possibly because they`ve had so much to contend with. As have
the Scots. What on earth is insulting about that?

Actually, it's a generalization about both groups. There were and are
many poor Scots, just as there were and are many poor Jews. In
particular, the Jews of Central and Eastern Europe were *not* generally
high achievers. They were herded into ghettos long before Hitler where
many suffered miserable existences and "achieved" little or nothing by
world standards. They're a people like any other with a rich and varied
history, like any other.

I don't find your statement insulting but I do find it highly
oversimplified, and perhaps that's Lucille's problem with it.

Elizabeth
--
*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~living well is the best revenge~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*
The most important thing one woman can do for another is to illuminate
and expand her sense of actual possibilities. --Adrienne Rich
*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~* ~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*

Mirjam Bruck-Cohen wrote:

i was Not telling people What to feel and how to feel
i wrote i wished , that some times they would find in their hearts ,,,
to say something nice to our side as well , Esp since many here play
the Big liberal Humanists ,,,,,
While every body else here suggests to me that i just lay still and
let other shoot at me ,,, or bomb my country people , this is a Very
Big difference , i haven`t asked anybody to endanger their LIFE , only
to say some words ,,,,,,

and Mirjam went on to say:

i usually answer people , this was the only time
i asked for some nice words . people who know me from other ngs will
tell you that nowhere do i talk like this since nowhere am i attacked
like this ....

You posted here in a ranting, attacking mood the essence of which was
how dare we not say anything about the loss of lives in your country
after a recent bomb attack. You didn't "ask" for some kind words. You
demanded them and accused us of having double standards, being
hypocritcal, etc. etc. because nobody expressed themselves over this
recent attack. You further went on to accuse us of not caring because
we said nothing. You assumed a lot about quite a few of us.
Assumptions are what get people into trouble.

It is you personally who makes it difficult for us to discuss these
attacks and the warring situation in Israel and Palastine. We do not
get enlightened by you, we get scolded - or worse.

Don't talk to me about other newsgroups you belong to. I've heard a bit
about that myself from others who frequent them. Besides which, that is
a meaningless argument. It isn't anything you do or don't do elsewhere.
It is what is going on here that matters.

You make it impossible to have civil discourse when it comes to many
topics of discussion here at RCTN.

For me, it started with your attack on Marilyn Levitt-Imbloom. And
secondly when you accused me of being anti-semetic after I posted about
living with the most loving and caring Jewish family that I think fondly
of to this day. They literally rescued me and helped form and mold my
spirit for the better.

I've had enough of your ranting, your scolding, your assumptions, and
your accusations, Mirjam.

Dianne

Mirjam Bruck-Cohen wrote:

If you tried for once being a little less critical of others on this
group,

Double standard again , until now my i always reacted to posts like
Sheena`s Mrs PP [ that you yourself are telling mow that She is
generalizing in an unkind way !!!!!]

How can it be a double standard if I am criticizing others for the same
thing? Perhaps you need to look up the meaning of double standard.

Elizabeth
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*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~living well is the best revenge~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*
The most important thing one woman can do for another is to illuminate
and expand her sense of actual possibilities. --Adrienne Rich
*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~ *~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*