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manual for brother XL721
Hello,
I'm looking for a manual for a Brother XL721 sewing machine. I found http://www.sewconsult.com/, but they charge money for the PDF manual. Is there an alternative? Thanks, Thufir |
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wrote in message oups.com... Hello, I'm looking for a manual for a Brother XL721 sewing machine. I found http://www.sewconsult.com/, but they charge money for the PDF manual. Is there an alternative? C'mon, the .pdf version is only $8.00. shrug It would probably cost more than that for someone to copy and mail it to you. And then there's the copyright issue... |
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BEI Design wrote:
wrote in message oups.com... Hello, I'm looking for a manual for a Brother XL721 sewing machine. I found http://www.sewconsult.com/, but they charge money for the PDF manual. Is there an alternative? C'mon, the .pdf version is only $8.00. shrug It would probably cost more than that for someone to copy and mail it to you. And then there's the copyright issue... Usually manuals are free from the manufacturer. I've never heard of paying for a manual. As to the copyright issue, that seems backwards. The purchase of the sewing machine should've included the manual. Since it's a used machine the manual got lost. Really, Brother should have all those manuals available for download. That they don't is a bit frustrating. I doubt that Brother would really mind if someone shared their PDF version. Even if Brother does mind, so what? As you say, it's just eight dollars, it's kinda un-enforcable. That company probably has a deal with Brother, so that Brother doesn't have to deal with the hassle. However, the manual's supposed to be there, anyhow. It's not like I'm downloading a copyrighted movie, it's totally different. I'm just looking for a PDF or something which *doesn't* cost eight dollars. Also, it's not for me. -Thufir |
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BEI Design wrote: wrote in message C'mon, the .pdf version is only $8.00. shrug It would probably cost more than that for someone to copy and mail it to you. And then there's the copyright issue... Usually manuals are free from the manufacturer. I've never heard of paying for a manual. Really? As to the copyright issue, that seems backwards. The purchase of the sewing machine should've included the manual. It almost certainly was included to the original owner. Since it's a used machine the manual got lost. Really, Brother should have all those manuals available for download. Why? If you lost a manual or bought a used machine without one, why should they provide it free? That they don't is a bit frustrating. I doubt that Brother would really mind if someone shared their PDF version. Even if Brother does mind, so what? As you say, it's just eight dollars, it's kinda un-enforcable. Do you steal the $.50 candy bars at the check out stand? Laws against shoplifting are "kinda un-enforcable..." That company probably has a deal with Brother, so that Brother doesn't have to deal with the hassle. However, the manual's supposed to be there, anyhow. It's not like I'm downloading a copyrighted movie, it's totally different. I'm just looking for a PDF or something which *doesn't* cost eight dollars. Different, how exactly??? "It's not like I'm stealing this (fill in the blank), it's totally different." Also, it's not for me. And that makes a difference how...??? |
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BEI Design wrote:
.... Why? If you lost a manual or bought a used machine without one, why should they provide it free? .... First, BEI Design, why did you e-mail me? Anyhow, I dunno, why should any company provide a free manual? Yet, they do. Amazing. Someone really needs to look into the untapped market for all those free PDF manuals. "24,600,000 English pages for PDF manual download," search results from Google. I don't see that any of the listed manuals cost money to download. In this case, the cost is for scanning in an old manual, by the way. The "principle" of a copyright is a total side-issue. Scanning the manual is the service. Let's look at this from a bigger perspective. Why are those other manuals free for download? I can't think of a single thing I've purchased new in the past few years for which there isn't a free PDF manual to download; you could probably download a manual for a toaster. Why are all those manuals free? It's a fair question, but narrowly phrased. When I go to the Brother website and look for a fax machine, the FAX-1820C, there's a free manual for download. Why? That's a whole eight dollars, or whatever, that Brother is losing. They could charge for that PDF manual, but they don't. Most curious. If Brother really wanted to limit distribution of their manuals, why give away this fax machines manual for free? This has almost nothing to do with copyrights, it's just a pain to scan in the manual, that's all. -Thufir |
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BEI Design wrote: .... Why? If you lost a manual or bought a used machine without one, why should they provide it free? .... First, BEI Design, why did you e-mail me? Anyhow, I dunno, why should any company provide a free manual? Yet, they do. Amazing. Someone really needs to look into the untapped market for all those free PDF manuals. "24,600,000 English pages for PDF manual download," search results from Google. I don't see that any of the listed manuals cost money to download. So what? The one you want isn't available except by paying for it. Cough up or do without. In this case, the cost is for scanning in an old manual, by the way. The "principle" of a copyright is a total side-issue. Not it isn't: it's theft if you take something that isn't yours. Scanning the manual is the service. And you don't believe in paying for a service? Let's look at this from a bigger perspective. Why are those other manuals free for download? I can't think of a single thing I've purchased new in the past few years for which there isn't a free PDF manual to download; you could probably download a manual for a toaster. Why are all those manuals free? It's a fair question, but narrowly phrased. When I go to the Brother website and look for a fax machine, the FAX-1820C, there's a free manual for download. Why? That's a whole eight dollars, or whatever, that Brother is losing. They could charge for that PDF manual, but they don't. Most curious. It may seem odd to you, but photocopiers are not sewing machines. All sewing machine brands sell replacement copies of their current manuals, and some of their previous models. *Some* manufacturers make older manuals available to download for a small fee ($8 is a small fee, compared to the cost of a new manual for a new machine). A few have made manuals for machines more than 50 years old available free in various forms (there are a number available on the Singer site). Why should they do this at all? As long as we old machine looneys can keep our dinosaurs going, they have a diminishing chance of selling us a brand new machine! They do it as a service to old friends. Also, most sewing machine manuals are a lot more complex than fax manuals! If Brother really wanted to limit distribution of their manuals, why give away this fax machines manual for free? This has almost nothing to do with copyrights, it's just a pain to scan in the manual, that's all. Maybe it makes no business sense to them? No manufacturer is in business to make sewing machines, fax machines, whatever... They are in business to make money. If something doesn't make money directly, they may do it as a service to further brand loyalty or for good will. They do not HAVE to do it at all. Fax manuals were probably prepared on a computer, and it costs them no time to scan them: the file is available at the click of a button. Old sewing machine manuals were type-set and printed, with no computer involved. It takes time to scan them, prepare them as a PDF file, and get them on a web site for downloading (I know, I've done it). There may be insufficient call for the particular machine machine manual for it to be worth the bother to them. For newer machines, there IS the copyright issue. In addition, why should they make replacement manuals available at all? Fax machines got out of date far quicker than sewing machines. And it's a different business with different cultural mores. Get over it. -- Kate XXXXXX R.C.T.Q Madame Chef des Trolls Lady Catherine, Wardrobe Mistress of the Chocolate Buttons http://www.katedicey.co.uk Click on Kate's Pages and explore! |
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wrote in message ups.com... BEI Design wrote: ... Why? If you lost a manual or bought a used machine without one, why should they provide it free? ... First, BEI Design, why did you e-mail me? Sorry, my mistake, slip of the mouse pointer, I apologize. snip nonsense And none of your subsequent argument invalidates my point: If Brother/Pfaff/Singer/Whomever wants to charge for a *replacement* copy of their manual, it is their absolute right to do so, and anyone making and/or selling illicit copies is a thief. Period. And furthermore, anyone *soliciting* an illicit copy is encouraging theft. 'Nuff said. |
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