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Old September 13th 04, 01:25 AM
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I.E.Z. wrote:
"Wanda Moody" wrote in message
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I have been visiting this newsgroup quite some time, and have
thoroughly enjoyed it. However, this message and responses has
turned my stomach so much I had to respond. I get enough bias
reporting from the media and it was so nice to get on the sewing
newsgroups and forget all the world's troubles. I am very proud of
our troops over seas and believe me they don't think our President
Bush is wrong. And yes, I am for President Bush.

BUT
I don't think this is the place to give your political views. I am
not so sure I can even keep visiting this group, right now I am so
upset I can't see straight. You see I am a military wife and I know
what fears and sleepless nights all relatives and loved ones go
through while our sons, daughters, spouses, friends, brothers and
sisters go through while our military loved one is protecting our
country. And just to end this, all of you that think President Bush
is wrong, why don't you go over seas and try and talk to the
terrorists that are killing our sons and daughters and beheading the
innocent people? Wanda



I'm with Tom, all the way. Well said Tom! It turns MY stomach to
think that so many people are so buffaloed by this corrupt
administration that they can't see the forest for the trees. Yes, I
think President Bush is wrong. And I DO NOT want my son going to
Iraq and dying for nothing. Yes, for nothing. Absolutely nothing
except the Bush Family Ego and the Cheney Family Fortune. It's a
shame the country is so polarized, but it is. And it is Bush's
fault. I get upset too. But you are right Wanda, you can't see
straight. Open your eyes. This country is so messed up, now and for
the future, that I despair daily. I support the troops as much as
you Wanda. Maybe more because I want them home.

The Bush policies of making enemies of most of the world and stomping
into other countries because we think we know what's good for them
has to stop. Iraq had nothing to do with 911. The invasion was based
on lies. Lies, lies, lies. Money that could be spent on people
here is being squandered over there, enriching big corporations like
Halliburton. Bush says he supports troops then cuts military
benefits. Free speech suppressed. No-fly (aka "enemies") lists.
Media just about all controlled by right-wing corporations.

Did you know you have to sign a loyalty oath to see Bush? - he
appeared locally and only supporters were allowed in. Even people
who said they were undecided and wanted to hear what he had to say
were excluded. And no one was allowed to bring signs. All the signs
were made by the campaign people and handed out to attendees.
Really!! They didn't even trust their carefully vetted, ID required
supporters to make their own signs!!!

Discussing politics makes enemies, yes. But I have never felt so
strongly that this country is on the verge of destruction from
within. It worries me. I worry for my son and and any future
children he might have. What kind of country will they inherit?

Iris


And don't even get me going on Cheney-Halliburton connections....

penny


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Old September 13th 04, 01:50 AM
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9/11, sewing, and off topic thoughts

(Wanda=A0Moody)
I have been visiting this newsgroup quite some time, and have
thoroughly enjoyed it. However, this message and responses has turned my
stomach so much I had to respond. I get enough bias reporting from the
media and it was so nice to get on the sewing newsgroups and forget all
the world's troubles.
snip
---
Cea ruminates:
Well, we could all undoubtedly write a saga detailing where we were on
911, and what our political thoughts are, but Wanda is on target: this
is a sewing group. not a political forum.
I have to remind myself of my Dad's advice: "Never discuss politics
with family or friends if you wish to keep either." Good advice, which I
strive to heed.
And further, I steal and embellish Penny's thunder:
The relevant post is too damn long to keep mindlessly reproducing, so
PLEASE!! Trim your posts!!!!!
Cea


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Old September 13th 04, 01:53 AM
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JJ wrote:
"Wanda Moody" wrote in message
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. And just to end this, all of
you that think President Bush is wrong, why don't you go over seas
and try and talk to the terrorists that are killing our sons and
daughters and beheading the innocent people? Wanda

Wanda, I'm very sorry that you have to live with the everyday
knowledge that your husband is in harms way. Just what makes you
think that we who disagree with you as far as politics go don't
support you husband and the thousands of others who fight beside
him. I can't speak for anyone else in this group. What I am opposed
to is that this war was not started with any thought to what would
happen when it was supposedly over. The other day the 1000th service
person was killed. The president made the remark that ONLY 2 died
that day. I'm glad that my son was not one of them. I want to see
this country live in peace. I don't think that by saying that I don't
support Mr. Bush's policies makes me any less a patriot than you. Yes
this is a sewing group, but life happens. I have been around this
world since before WWII. I've lived through war many times, it's
never pretty. The only other time there has been so much devision in
this country was during Viet Nam. That was a bad war too. As a loyal
American citizen I support your right to think I'm wrong. Please read
the Constitution and support my right to disagree with you. Juno


I support our troops, poor guys,
they are only doing their job, but I don't support the policies or the
president that gave them the job they are
doing right now.
Penny S




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Old September 13th 04, 01:59 AM
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Tom Farrell wrote:

Tom, I couldn't find a current email so here it is posted, thank you for
your eloquence, and depth of expression. Preaching to the choir here, but I
appreciate the energy that you put into this. I hope you don't mind us
sharing your thoughts, with due credit of course.

Penny S


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Old September 13th 04, 02:33 AM
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"Wanda Moody" wrote...
I have been visiting this newsgroup quite some time, and have thoroughly
enjoyed it. However, this message and responses has turned my stomach so
much I had to respond. I get enough bias reporting from the media and it
was so nice to get on the sewing newsgroups and forget all the world's
troubles. I am very proud of our troops over seas and believe me they

don't
think our President Bush is wrong. And yes, I am for President Bush.

BUT
I don't think this is the place to give your political views. I am not so
sure I can even keep visiting this group, right now I am so upset I can't
see straight. You see I am a military wife and I know what fears and
sleepless nights all relatives and loved ones go through while our sons,
daughters, spouses, friends, brothers and sisters go through while our
military loved one is protecting our country. And just to end this, all

of
you that think President Bush is wrong, why don't you go over seas and try
and talk to the terrorists that are killing our sons and daughters and
beheading the innocent people? Wanda


Well said Wanda! I have thoroughly enjoyed this newsgroup for a long time. I
don't post much but have learned alot. Frankly, I'm getting tired of the
political barbs on this list towards Republicans and those of any political
affiliation who support our good President.

Please, I understand not everyone thinks alike...but can't we keep this off
politics? I get enough of it everyday. I come here to relax, not to get a
pitch for a particular candidate.

Cindy in WV


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Old September 13th 04, 02:55 AM
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"I.E.Z." wrote in message
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snipped to a point

Did you know you have to sign a loyalty oath to see Bush? - he appeared
locally and only supporters were allowed in. Even people who said they

were
undecided and wanted to hear what he had to say were excluded. And no one
was allowed to bring signs. All the signs were made by the campaign

people
and handed out to attendees. Really!! They didn't even trust their
carefully vetted, ID required supporters to make their own signs!!!

more snipping
Iris



Bush has been out here a few times and never once has he appeared in a true
public forum. He's coming out again this week to visit a private convention.
Then Kerry will be here two days later, at the same convention. Both closed
to the public, although Kerry's last visit was public. Nader shows up at the
public libraries when he visits and will talk one-on-one as time permits. He
also takes questions from the audience.

A loyalty oath to whom or to what? If it is to Bush, that is a very scary
thing to contemplate. I go with the Mark Twain angle: "Loyalty to the
country always. Loyalty to the government when it deserves it."
--
The Vegas Beth P
(STILL missing Georgia)
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Old September 13th 04, 03:10 AM
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And I beg of you to keep this a SEWING
forum!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
PAT

Tom Farrell wrote:
And so another 9/11 has come and gone.

.................cut.....
I beg you to please vote
..........cut...........

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Old September 13th 04, 03:27 AM
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Iris:
This is extremely rude to Wanda. It is one thing to disagree
about policy, law, sewing machines, or child rearing. It is quite
another thing to make a personal attack on a poster at this
group. I refer to your remarks as follows:

I.E.Z. wrote:

"Wanda Moody" wrote in message
...

I have been visiting this newsgroup quite some time, and have thoroughly
enjoyed it. ...cut...
I don't think this is the place to give your political views. I am not so
sure I can even keep visiting this group, right now I am so upset I can't
see straight. You see I am a military wife and I know what fears and
sleepless nights all relatives and loved ones go through while our sons,
daughters, spouses, friends, brothers and sisters go through while our
military loved one is protecting our country.




I'm with Tom, all the way. ...cut... I get upset too. But you are right Wanda, you can't
see straight. Open your eyes. This country is so messed up, now and for
the future, that I despair daily. I support the troops as much as you
Wanda. Maybe more because I want them home.

....cut...
Iris


I do not like that you attacked her by saying she cannot see
straight. I also do not like that you have set yourself up as
being more supportive of troops and implying that she does not
care for them to come home. Whether or not you agree with her
comments, your remarks were out of line. An apology would not out
of line.

I plan to vote ... and I keep my plans to myself. Meantime, I am
sewing. How about you?
PAT in VA/USA

  #29  
Old September 13th 04, 04:10 AM
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"Poohma" wrote in message news:

I would also like to share what you wrote with some people.


I grant my permission to redistribute my original message,
*unaltered*. I recognize that many people (like, for example, "atom1")
will try to twist my words for harm. Let it be understood that if my
words are distributed unaltered, they can stand for themselves, but if
I find they've been altered, I will pursue whoever changed my words to
the full extent of what remains of the law.

I work for the
government and am smothered some days with the flag-waving. Anytime I make a
negative comment, I am attacked as not being "patriotic enough." What is
that, anyway?


Jingoism: (noun) Extreme nationalism characterized especially by a
belligerent foreign policy; chauvinistic patriotism.

I didn't know there was a contest! Anyway, I am glad you
posted your honest feelings and don't worry about the brickbats. At least
you haven't been completely stifled-yet...


I was born free. I will always be free.

Someone I know is selling tote bags with the fourth amendment printed
on them. She's had to have a new batch printed. There is still hope.

Tom
http://www.VastLiberalConspiracy.com/
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Old September 13th 04, 05:01 AM
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On 2004-09-12 said:
Newsgroups: rec.crafts.textiles.sewing,alt.sewing
I.E.Z. wrote:
"Wanda Moody" wrote in message
...
I have been visiting this newsgroup quite some time, and have
thoroughly enjoyed it. However, this message and responses has
turned my stomach so much I had to respond. I get enough bias
reporting from the media and it was so nice to get on the sewing
newsgroups and forget all the world's troubles. I am very proud
of our troops over seas and believe me they don't think our
President Bush is wrong. And yes, I am for President Bush.

BUT
I don't think this is the place to give your political views. I
am not so sure I can even keep visiting this group, right now I
am so upset I can't see straight. You see I am a military wife
and I know what fears and sleepless nights all relatives and
loved ones go through while our sons, daughters, spouses,
friends, brothers and sisters go through while our military
loved one is protecting our country. And just to end this, all
of you that think President Bush is wrong, why don't you go over
seas and try and talk to the terrorists that are killing our
sons and daughters and beheading the innocent people? Wanda

I'm with Tom, all the way. Well said Tom! It turns MY stomach
to think that so many people are so buffaloed by this corrupt
administration that they can't see the forest for the trees. Yes,
I think President Bush is wrong. And I DO NOT want my son going
to Iraq and dying for nothing. Yes, for nothing. Absolutely
nothing except the Bush Family Ego and the Cheney Family Fortune.
It's a shame the country is so polarized, but it is. And it is
Bush's fault. I get upset too. But you are right Wanda, you
can't see straight. Open your eyes. This country is so messed
up, now and for the future, that I despair daily. I support the
troops as much as you Wanda. Maybe more because I want them home.
The Bush policies of making enemies of most of the world and
stomping into other countries because we think we know what's
good for them has to stop. Iraq had nothing to do with 911. The
invasion was based on lies. Lies, lies, lies. Money that could
be spent on people here is being squandered over there, enriching
big corporations like Halliburton. Bush says he supports troops
then cuts military benefits. Free speech suppressed. No-fly
(aka "enemies") lists. Media just about all controlled by

right-wing corporations.
Did you know you have to sign a loyalty oath to see Bush? - he
appeared locally and only supporters were allowed in. Even people
who said they were undecided and wanted to hear what he had to say
were excluded. And no one was allowed to bring signs. All the
signs were made by the campaign people and handed out to
attendees. Really!! They didn't even trust their carefully
vetted, ID required supporters to make their own signs!!!
Discussing politics makes enemies, yes. But I have never felt so
strongly that this country is on the verge of destruction from
within. It worries me. I worry for my son and and any future
children he might have. What kind of country will they inherit?
Iris

And don't even get me going on Cheney-Halliburton connections....
penny

Ant I fervently hope that John Kerry is much more than the Anti-Bush.


Tom Willmon,Mountainair, (mid) New Mexico, USA

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