Knitted [metal] armor

"YarnWright" wrote in message
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Mary
Do some research. Mirjam and I as well as quite a few others here who are
really INTO renaisance times HAVE done the research, and know what of we
speak.
Noreen
who knows you just have a vendetta against Mirjam, and will fight YOU
every
step of the way. SHE belongs, your ATTITUDE doesn't.

Ahem. You seem to have a vendetta against me, I don't against anyone :-)

And I do know quite a lot about armour; although I don't make it and we
don't wear it (we're 100% non-combatant in role as well as in real life)
many of my friends and fellow traders do. We're not 'into' rennaissance
activities, we practise earlier skills. My husband is a metallurgist and
takes a keen interest in such things. He's a very practical man (he does
most of the mediaeval textiles in this house). I asked him about this matter
yesterday evening, he said wire could be twisted into something resembling a
pan scrub but it wouldn't be nåhlbindning - which needs a needle.

You really shouldn't assume that others have no experience or historical
knowledge.

Next time I go to the Royal Armouries Museum (within walking distance of
home) I'll ask the Curator of Armour (who we know because we've been
involved with the Armouries since before it came to the city, we were
invited to the Queen's opening) - but shan't bother putting his answers here
because I suspect that they wouldn't be believed.

Mary

On May 21, 11:48*am, "Mary Fisher" wrote:
"YarnWright" wrote in message

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Mary
Do some research. *Mirjam and I as well as quite a few others here who are
really INTO renaisance times HAVE done the research, and know what of we
speak.
Noreen
who knows you just have a vendetta against Mirjam, and will fight YOU
every
step of the way. *SHE belongs, *your ATTITUDE doesn't.

Ahem. You seem to have a vendetta against me, I don't against anyone :-)

And I do know quite a lot about armour; although I don't make it and we
don't wear it (we're 100% non-combatant in role as well as in real life)
many of my friends and fellow traders do. We're not 'into' rennaissance
activities, we practise earlier skills. My husband is a metallurgist and
takes a keen interest in such things. He's a very practical man (he does
most of the mediaeval textiles in this house). I asked him about this matter
yesterday evening, he said wire could be twisted into something resembling a
pan scrub but it wouldn't be nåhlbindning - which needs a needle.

You really shouldn't assume that others have no experience or historical
knowledge.

Next time I go to the Royal Armouries Museum (within walking distance of
home) I'll ask the Curator of Armour (who we know because we've been
involved with the Armouries since before it came to the city, we were
invited to the Queen's opening) - but shan't bother putting his answers here
because I suspect that they wouldn't be believed.

Mary

Why Do YOU assume we wouldn`t believe your Aquaintance`s answers.
As a matter of habit, i always assume that people tell what they
really know, and
that i should respect their words as such. I am also open to the idea,
that in different places, people used different methods to make
armours. If you haven`t seen the kind i saw, and i haven`t [ i have in
reality but i am now giving a Hypothetical example] seen the kind you
saw , we might think that what we saw is the only kind. But this isn`t
how it is , I have over the years seen at least 3 different technics
made Armors, [maybe 4???] . I only saw them in digs [quite dirty] , or
in museum, not in reconstructed copies...
I believe you, that your husband is quite capable of doing many
objects, but there still exist some techniques in which other people
excell, and maybe your husband hasn`t met those. Nothing wrong with
that ,,, I knit , weave, crochet, sew, embroider etc,, i don`t make
macrame ,,,,,,,,, Does this make Macrame non existant ????
Ps i naaldbound with a bone, and with a stick , and with a clothpin.
i have seen and touched a naaldbound Toesock from Metzada [more than
2000 years old].
each of us, your curator friend, your husband you and me=, have seen
DIFFERENT things, and are better acknowledged with the things we
saw...
mirjam

Ahem. You seem to have a vendetta against me, I don't against anyone :-)
I don`t know if you have a vendetta, but it sure feels to me that you
have a kick out of opposing everything i say.
You even had the Unbelievable idea, of suggesting to me in your
private letter that i ahouldn`t open your letters, because you have my
good in your heart...
You even posted here , a very offensive post against me and my
culture.
And now you wonder why some people feel you have something against
me?


You really shouldn't assume that others have no experience or historical
knowledge.
Both in other things as in that Horrid question you showed everybody
here what parts of history you `preffer`.
Next time I go to the Royal Armouries Museum (within walking distance of
home) I'll ask the Curator of Armour (who we know because we've been
involved with the Armouries since before it came to the city, we were
invited to the Queen's opening) - but shan't bother putting his answers here
because I suspect that they wouldn't be believed.
Knowledge isn`t a matter of belief ...
mirjam
Mary

Ps it is YOU mary who constantly Hint that others know Less than you ,
i keep saying that others know DIfferent things,,,
You remind me of the 10 blind men who walk in a line and meet an
elephant,, one says the elephant has a tiny tail, one says it has big
feet , one says it has a big TOE ,,,,,
My elephant has all the parts even some parts i never saw ,,, your
elephant seems to have only one part , the part that you can touch.

Now I remember why I quit reading this newsgroup for a few years...
--
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..·´ Chris
((¸¸.·´ ..·´
-:¦:- ((¸¸
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On Wed, 21 May 2008 17:59:28 +0000, Chris Underwood wrote:


Now I remember why I quit reading this newsgroup for a few years...

That doesn't surprise me at all Chris and is something I considered the
last time this sort of nonsense started. How on earth we expect to have
any kind of peace elsewhere when we can't even have it on a small sewing
group is beyond me!

It seems as though the word tolerance is meaningless.
--
Bernadette

On May 21, 8:59*pm, "Chris Underwood"
wrote:
Now I remember why I quit reading this newsgroup for a few years...
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* * * * * * ·.·´¨ ¨))
* * * * * * * * ¸.·´ *.·´¨¨))
* * * * * * ..·´ * *Chris
* * * * * * ((¸¸.·´ *..·´
* * * * * * *-:¦:- *((¸¸
* * * * * * * * * * * * *·.·

Excuse me CHRIS this Ng was always nice, considerate and every one was
patient.
The few people who thought that they+ had to be unkind , felt that
this wasn`t the place and eventually stopped doing it , After a nasty
attack of foul posts a big part of this group mooved to a closed
list.
I am very sorry if my answer to Mary disturbed you , it seems that in
the last weeks she jumps at my posts whatever i write........
mirjam

On May 21, 9:48*pm, Bernadette wrote:
On Wed, 21 May 2008 17:59:28 +0000, Chris Underwood wrote:

Now I remember why I quit reading this newsgroup for a few years...

That doesn't surprise me at all Chris and is something I considered the
last time this sort of nonsense started. How on earth we expect to have
any kind of peace elsewhere when we can't even have it on a small sewing
group is beyond me!

It seems as though the word tolerance is meaningless.
--
Bernadette

Bernadette as you know i enjoy writing and sharing many knitting
crocheting weaving and art things,
This doesn`t mean that any person has the right to say racial/ or
religious things about me,
i didn`t start jumping on that person , she does and i try to avoid
it ,, but there are limits.
mirjam

On Wed, 21 May 2008 14:08:54 -0700, mirjam wrote:

On May 21, 9:48*pm, Bernadette wrote:
On Wed, 21 May 2008 17:59:28 +0000, Chris Underwood wrote:

Now I remember why I quit reading this newsgroup for a few years...

That doesn't surprise me at all Chris and is something I considered the
last time this sort of nonsense started. How on earth we expect to have
any kind of peace elsewhere when we can't even have it on a small sewing
group is beyond me!

It seems as though the word tolerance is meaningless. --
Bernadette

Bernadette as you know i enjoy writing and sharing many knitting
crocheting weaving and art things,

I know this Mirjam and have learned a lot from you. I know you also love
to share the everyday things that make life interesting and joyful.

This doesn`t mean that any person has the right to say racial/ or
religious things about me,

To my way of thinking no one person has the right to make judgements
about another. You did not but others on this group did and I find that
disgraceful!

i didn`t start jumping on that person , she does
and i try to avoid it
,, but there are limits.
mirjam

Mirjam, the situation between Israel/Palestine is so emotive that
anything which touches on it automatically pushes the temperature, and
tempers, higher. All I will say is that I have beloved friends who
are Jewish and other beloved friends who are Palestinian. Listening to
what they say enables me to have a little understanding of the Hell in
which many people are living.

Bernadette

Benadette good mortning our side good evening your side !!!



I know this Mirjam and have learned a lot from you. I know you also love
to share the everyday things that make life interesting and joyful.
Thank you for understanding this.

To my way of thinking no one person has the right to make judgements
about another. You did not but others on this group did and I find that
disgraceful!
I agree , but when she/or others do so , you call it nonesense ? or
itolerance
My life experience told me that sometimes people who speak unkindly
should be answered back, other wise they think they can go on with
it....

and i try to avoid it

,, but there are limits.
mirjam

Mirjam, the situation between Israel/Palestine is so emotive that
anything which touches on it automatically pushes the temperature, and

Excuse me !!!!!!!!!
and what exactly does that mean ?, when talk about ARMORS that were
worn during the crusades , and a discussion about the method in which
they were made ???????


tempers, higher. All I will say is that I have beloved friends who
are Jewish and other beloved friends who are Palestinian. Listening to
what they say enables me to have a little understanding of the Hell in
which many people are living.
I think the above text has NOTHING what so ever to do with the
discussions here !!!!
And i don`t think i live in any kind of hell , i think Life all over
the globe is complicated , but WHAT has that or any of the above TO DO
with unpolite jumping on some of my texts.
And bernadette i have beloved friends who are PEOPLE , i don`t define
them by their Religion or political nationality .
mirjam

On Wed, 21 May 2008 20:33:12 -0700, mirjam wrote:

Benadette good mortning our side good evening your side !!!



I know this Mirjam and have learned a lot from you. I know you also love
to share the everyday things that make life interesting and joyful.
Thank you for understanding this.

To my way of thinking no one person has the right to make judgements
about another. You did not but others on this group did and I find that
disgraceful!
I agree , but when she/or others do so , you call it nonesense ? or
itolerance
My life experience told me that sometimes people who speak unkindly should
be answered back, other wise they think they can go on with it....

and i try to avoid it

,, but there are limits.
mirjam

Mirjam, the situation between Israel/Palestine is so emotive that
anything which touches on it automatically pushes the temperature, and

Excuse me !!!!!!!!!
and what exactly does that mean ?, when talk about ARMORS that were worn
during the crusades , and a discussion about the method in which they were
made ???????

What it means Mirjam is that this is not the first time this type of
nastiness has erupted on this board and each time it does it has NOTHING
to do with the subject under discussion.

This time it started from when you shared your happiness about your day of
celebration and has continued ever since, with others joining in since a
comment was made by Mary about it not being a day of celebration for
everyone. From what I have seen you really do not need others to join in
to defend you - you seem quite capable of doing that yourself)!


tempers, higher. All I will say is that I have beloved friends who are
Jewish and other beloved friends who are Palestinian. Listening to what
they say enables me to have a little understanding of the Hell in which
many people are living.
I think the above text has NOTHING what so ever to do with the
discussions here !!!!

I agree and nor do any of the snide comments that have been thrown about
either.

And i don`t think i live in any kind of hell ,

I was not referring to you specifically Mirjam, I was referring to the
people I have spoken to and used some of their words regarding the
situation they are in AS THEY FEEL IT.

i think Life all
over the
globe is complicated , but WHAT has that or any of the above TO DO with
unpolite jumping on some of my texts. And bernadette i have beloved
friends who are PEOPLE ,

Indeed and so have I.

i don`t define them by their Religion or
political nationality . mirjam

Nor do I Mirjam unless they have referred to them selves specifically in
that way and speak on these matters to make a point to me. The people to
whom I was referring had done that and I was sharing with you what they
had shared with me. If someone tells me that they are black, or Russian,
or Irish I do not try to take away their definition of them selves as it
obviously matters to them.

Bernadette