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  #11  
Old November 1st 08, 10:55 PM posted to rec.crafts.textiles.needlework
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On Nov 1, 1:14 am, "newsgroup" wrote:
Before you start stating something, you might want to know the information
you are talking about.


It might be helpful if you actually provided people with that
information up front instead of posting anonymously and then getting
bent out of shape when people misunderstand.

Elizabeth
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Old November 3rd 08, 01:53 AM posted to rec.crafts.textiles.needlework
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I have uploaded to the website a new version that has both
a coloured and a black/white version of the same pattern.

J. Howard Trenouth
Blue Dragon Productions/Classics

"Barbara" wrote in message
...
newsgroup wrote:
Anyone want to try some charts.

charts he
http://www3.telus.net/htreno/Shared_Stuff/


I have placed some excerpts from my current and past chart books.

Just remember the standard usage rules: permission for personal use
only.

Have just one request. If you try them, let me know how easy the charts
are
to use, and if there is any changes that would make them better.


When the charts first loaded on my computer the charts were without
color. It was easier to read the symbols.Then the color appeared.
Barbara


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Old November 3rd 08, 02:11 AM posted to rec.crafts.textiles.needlework
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Bent out of shape!!

Instead of noting my mistake of missing that notice, you jumped and thought
right away that someone
had done wrong. I mistakenly thought that a normal person would have seen
that I was looking for
feedback on work in progress since I had not release the final edition,
while forgetting how the newsgroup
settings were set different from my email settings.

I don't read the newsgroup everyday, but when I was politely asked to stated
if I was the copyright owner
I politely replied back the same day to that request.

J. Howard Trenouth
Blue Dragon Productions

wrote in message
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On Nov 1, 1:14 am, "newsgroup" wrote:
Before you start stating something, you might want to know the
information
you are talking about.


It might be helpful if you actually provided people with that
information up front instead of posting anonymously and then getting
bent out of shape when people misunderstand.

Elizabeth


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Old November 3rd 08, 02:41 AM posted to rec.crafts.textiles.needlework
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newsgroup wrote:
I have uploaded to the website a new version that has both
a coloured and a black/white version of the same pattern.

J. Howard Trenouth
Blue Dragon Productions/Classics

"Barbara" wrote in message
...
newsgroup wrote:
Anyone want to try some charts.

charts he
http://www3.telus.net/htreno/Shared_Stuff/


I have placed some excerpts from my current and past chart books.

Just remember the standard usage rules: permission for personal use
only.

Have just one request. If you try them, let me know how easy the
charts are
to use, and if there is any changes that would make them better.


When the charts first loaded on my computer the charts were without
color. It was easier to read the symbols.Then the color appeared.
Barbara



Thank you very much
Barbara
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Old November 3rd 08, 03:22 AM posted to rec.crafts.textiles.needlework
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newsgroup wrote:
Bent out of shape!!

Instead of noting my mistake of missing that notice, you jumped and
thought right away that someone
had done wrong. I mistakenly thought that a normal person would
have seen that I was looking for
feedback on work in progress since I had not release the final
edition, while forgetting how the newsgroup
settings were set different from my email settings.

snip

I would think as a designer you would be happy that people on this newsgroup
aren't afraid to stand against copyright infringement. Especially when there
are groups out there whose main purpose for existance is to scan and post
patterns from books, leaflets, and magazines.
--
Jeri
"You can complain because roses have thorns, or you can rejoice because
thorns have roses." ~Ziggy~




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Old November 3rd 08, 05:43 AM posted to rec.crafts.textiles.needlework
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I immidiately understood that you were looking for backfeed on the
Work you put in those charts ..
mirjam
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Old November 3rd 08, 08:08 PM posted to rec.crafts.textiles.needlework
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I have also added more individual pages from the ALPHABET SAMPLERS book
[978-0-9730137-9-5], including a test layout page with multiple fonts on one
page.

Someone asked for more from the CLASSICAL LADIES book [978-0-9730137-7-1],
there are some more but they are not in final book form at this time.
I was only planning for 10 projects in the book itself so I have to think
about given away most of the book before publishing it.
My estate might actual want to make some money on the books,
someday......lol.

I might post some charts from other books, such as the LANDSCAPES book
[978-0-9730137-8-8] in planning stage.

I think I'm seeing as time goes by why it costs so much to purchase the
individual patterns. Not so bad when you have a charting program to help do
some of the work, but it is the time cleaning up and laying out the charts
that is the pain. It costs about 5-10 mins. of work time to do the convert
but it is the final proofing and everything related to make a good looking
chart that everyone can read. If the charts were just for myself then just
the hand drawn ones for smaller designs, or the general program version
would do most of the time but not when others are to actually use the
pattern years later.
FYI. On average, the alphabets each take about 1-4 hours to do, while the
"Lady" took up to 2 months for the final version [b/w version was fast to
put online cause it was done already]

Currently the charts are in program files to have them look better than hand
drawn. While book format means in a layout that is for the actual book such
as the alphabet test layout page. Also with the program I have to make sure
that it is doing cross stitch, and not blackwork, knitting, or one of their
other type that the program can do.

For those that might want to know.
Been doing designs and artwork in some form for over 30 years including
almost a decade as an engraver, not the joke type today that the computer
does the work. Compared to charts, engraving was at sizes that were at time
as small as 1/200th of the original. That means, when I drew on a 8 x 11
page the design would be reduced by 200 times, so if I had 50 lines in 10
cm's it would be the same 50 lines in 1/2 mm. Done needlework, but only
moved over to cross stitching in 2005 when I had to start radiation
treatment and the ones I did then were the tiny round frame kits. I wanted
to try bigger charts, but either they were costly and/or nothing that I
liked in the sizes I wanted. At first did my charts by hand completely, but
that was time consuming so I found some trial charting programs till I
picked my favorite, Easy Cross 2004 from England.

J. Howard Trenouth
Blue Dragon Productions/Classics

  #18  
Old November 4th 08, 12:11 PM posted to rec.crafts.textiles.needlework
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Oh ok. Barbara
Thanks for letting me know.

btw. So that people don't get confused if I release another from the book,
the title of this one is "A Favour" based on the 1913 painting by Edmund
Blair
Laighton (1853-1922).

"Barbara" wrote in message
...
newsgroup wrote:
Anyone want to try some charts.
I have placed some excerpts from my current and past chart books.

Just remember the standard usage rules: permission for personal use
only.

Have just one request. If you try them, let me know how easy the charts
are
to use, and if there is any changes that would make them better.



I had my daughter copy the chart for me(she had ink in her printer).I
asked her to print it out in black and white. Easy on the eyes ;-) I love
the picture. I first have to finish 3 I have lined up to do.My kids
waiting list.Then I can start on the classical lady . You have such
talent.
Barbara


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Old November 19th 08, 04:26 AM posted to rec.crafts.textiles.needlework
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After looking in other threads, I followed a link to a site and seen
the same painting used in one of the charts I released. And noticed
a few things from the replies, and the uncalled for flames from people
who didn't intend to use my efforts or work.

1. There are major differences, such as colour total used and final
size of mine and the site's. So one looking at just the subject
matter and not the details would not know if it is the same chart.
Just because they are the same painting does not automatically
mean they are the same final chart project.

The painting is public domain so any one could use it as a source
material. What each of us can copyright is the charts we made it
and related items but not the original painting itself, and even
if we own the original we don't own the copyright of the painting.

To assume they are without checking was what ****ed me off,
where I almost decided to not release any more *FREE* items.

2. It makes sense when I got so many thank you's for the charts.
After I have seen what this chart company is selling just the
charts at [$41cdn/$39usa], which I have released for free even
though like the chart company we both put in time and effort
to produce a final item.

No one asked or offered to compensate when they requested
more of the same at the same method of the original release.
Any one doing the calculations, using this one as a base.

I was working on finishing a collection with 10 different charts on
the same theme of classical ladies from various ages. And it
is to be a combined limited edition. Since I am on a medical
pension, I am not allowed to make more the $4600 yr. without
stopping the pension. That is why I didn't mind letting others
having "some" of the patterns I have done, even though it
would be nice to have more than what I get now.

3. Something I have noticed since placing the 2 threads, some of
same people that gave some negative comments have placed
a thread stating that they now can do charts for others. And
what sounds like they figure to make some money for their
efforts.

In my threads there have been statements that either had one
asking for people to go to some pay site; their own or others,
directing people away from my thread or to piggyback on
what I had done. Rudeness, if you want to tell someone about
a site that you make money from then start a new thread with
your link. Otherwise you are showing your childish behaviour.

Of everything I have said and giving out for free, there has
never been a request for any fee. Nor have I asked for work
from any one. The only thing I asked for replies to was what
kind of ideas that others had for charts that they wanted that
were not available at this time. I never said I was going to use
any or all the ideas, only that I wanted a reply from the public.

4. Flamers. I don't care for your kind in any form. If that is all you
are here to do, then **** off. I don't care if you don't like my
attitude, the newsgroup is not your private property where
only you and your friends are allowed to come and play. It
is for every one to exchange thoughts and ideas, in a polite
manner. When the politeness is not there and directed at me,
I can and will reply in same.

Sorry to those that this doesn't apply to.


J. Howard Trenouth
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Old November 19th 08, 03:41 PM posted to rec.crafts.textiles.needlework
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"lucretia borgia" wrote in message
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On Wed, 19 Nov 2008 03:26:58 GMT, "J. Howard Trenouth"
opined:

4. Flamers. I don't care for your kind in any form. If that is all you
are here to do, then **** off. I don't care if you don't like my
attitude, the newsgroup is not your private property where
only you and your friends are allowed to come and play. It
is for every one to exchange thoughts and ideas, in a polite
manner. When the politeness is not there and directed at me,
I can and will reply in same.

Sorry to those that this doesn't apply to.


J. Howard Trenouth


I don't even know what you are wittering on about but your attitude is
**** poor. Aren't you the one who had me saying something I had
never said ? Accusing people here of sending you a virus in email ?



I went back and looked at the message that I added my comment to
about the subject line, and any one looking at it [as far as windows
newsreader shows] I did have the correct person which was not you.
Cause it lists her as the sender and her tag line is on the bottom of that
message. And as can be seen, this message is not under her id but yours.
Not unless you and Karen are the same person.

And I did say sorry for the mistake because of how I get to see it, I have
noticed it happen to others doing the same mistake in other messages.

Seems you can't read, I never accused anyone but I did agree with
the subject line because of the timing of the events and the trouble it
caused. Big difference between accusing and agreeing with a subject.



Clearly you should take off, this is not where you belong.



I don't care what you say, I was in a good mood and just trying to give
to the general public something to try and enjoy. For that I was jumped on
both in public and private messages, with the private ones being just
mean, rude, and uncalled for. Which is what my last message was for,
instead of answering an individual comment or "request" I was doing
one general polite answer to the private emails, and I did note that it
may not apply to the reader.

Yet I still did some changes for ones that were polite, which I almost
felt not doing because of the others. When someone does something
for the enjoyment, and we have others that try to make them feel like
dirt just because they feel that they can then that is not right.

You may think that my "attitude is **** poor", but what do you expect
with some of the attitudes that were directed at myself.






 




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