Ot on the manner people write and relate to facts....

Dr Brat , Elizabeth often claims that , because i don`t use the Exact
terminology i used before, it means i am not saying the truth. To
Proove her She digs out sentences or part of sentences, which than Out
of trher Wholle Background Context , seem to proove Whatever point she
feels the urge to proove. Writers, Lexigraphers, poets and Even Yes
Elizabeth Even Judges and lawyers And in fact any Human with an
everyday vocubulary , can tell the same exact story , or describe an
event, while changing a word For a parallel or similar word. without
changing the meaning of the fact. I do not go to the archives since i
can not change the facts i tell you , but i can describe things in
parrallel words,,,The vocubulary is there to use ,,,,
I am writing this long letter , as lately , while Proofreading several
books, all with historical based facts + documentations, still many a
time i see the same event described in Similar words , in another
place in the [same] book, thus Since i am proofreading , i have to
check with both writer and papers, to verify that it isn`t a typo or
mistake of some kind ,,,,, Every time opf this , the author showed me
that it was the same event , described in similar but not same words,
Because this is the natural way people speak , about events , about
films about memories.
In the Conference i attended last week , There were various
tesimonies, and we discussed questions of memory , documents , etc,,,
unless a person quotes his own written testimony, there always be
different words , while all facts stay intact.
mirjam

Mirjam Bruck-Cohen wrote:
Dr Brat , Elizabeth often claims that , because i don`t use the Exact
terminology i used before, it means i am not saying the truth.

I have never made this particular claim about you, Mirjam.

Elizabeth
--
*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~living well is the best revenge~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*
The most important thing one woman can do for another is to illuminate
and expand her sense of actual possibilities. --Adrienne Rich
*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~ *~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*

Mirjam Bruck-Cohen wrote:
Dr Brat , Elizabeth often claims that , because i don`t use the Exact
terminology i used before, it means i am not saying the truth. To
Proove her She digs out sentences or part of sentences, which than Out
of trher Wholle Background Context , seem to proove Whatever point she
feels the urge to proove. Writers, Lexigraphers, poets and Even Yes
Elizabeth Even Judges and lawyers And in fact any Human with an
everyday vocubulary , can tell the same exact story , or describe an
event, while changing a word For a parallel or similar word. without
changing the meaning of the fact. I do not go to the archives since i
can not change the facts i tell you , but i can describe things in
parrallel words,,,The vocubulary is there to use ,,,,
I am writing this long letter , as lately , while Proofreading several
books, all with historical based facts + documentations, still many a
time i see the same event described in Similar words , in another
place in the [same] book, thus Since i am proofreading , i have to
check with both writer and papers, to verify that it isn`t a typo or
mistake of some kind ,,,,, Every time opf this , the author showed me
that it was the same event , described in similar but not same words,
Because this is the natural way people speak , about events , about
films about memories.
In the Conference i attended last week , There were various
tesimonies, and we discussed questions of memory , documents , etc,,,
unless a person quotes his own written testimony, there always be
different words , while all facts stay intact.
mirjam



Mirjam, clearly you and Brat will never get along, much like I will
never get along with her. She judges us as inferior to her, it's
obvious.

However, you would most likely be happier if you learned to ignore her,
rather than letting her get to you so much that you feel you must post
messages like this one.

She is truly not worth your time or any emotional energy. We all have
a lot more important things in our lives than allowing one minor pest
to get under our skin, right?

Caryn

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Mirjam Bruck-Cohen wrote:
Dr Brat , Elizabeth often claims that , because i don`t use the Exact
terminology i used before, it means i am not saying the truth. To
Proove her She digs out sentences or part of sentences, which than Out
of trher Wholle Background Context , seem to proove Whatever point she
feels the urge to proove. Writers, Lexigraphers, poets and Even Yes
Elizabeth Even Judges and lawyers And in fact any Human with an
everyday vocubulary , can tell the same exact story , or describe an
event, while changing a word For a parallel or similar word. without
changing the meaning of the fact. I do not go to the archives since i
can not change the facts i tell you , but i can describe things in
parrallel words,,,The vocubulary is there to use ,,,,
I am writing this long letter , as lately , while Proofreading several
books, all with historical based facts + documentations, still many a
time i see the same event described in Similar words , in another
place in the [same] book, thus Since i am proofreading , i have to
check with both writer and papers, to verify that it isn`t a typo or
mistake of some kind ,,,,, Every time opf this , the author showed me
that it was the same event , described in similar but not same words,
Because this is the natural way people speak , about events , about
films about memories.
In the Conference i attended last week , There were various
tesimonies, and we discussed questions of memory , documents , etc,,,
unless a person quotes his own written testimony, there always be
different words , while all facts stay intact.
mirjam



Mirjam, clearly you and Brat will never get along, much like I will
never get along with her. She judges us as inferior to her, it's
obvious.

However, you would most likely be happier if you learned to ignore her,
rather than letting her get to you so much that you feel you must post
messages like this one.

She is truly not worth your time or any emotional energy. We all have
a lot more important things in our lives than allowing one minor pest
to get under our skin, right?

Caryn

This little contre-temps demonstrates what I maintain about history - there
are always so many versions,both written and handed down, that you rarely
know the full truth! Richard III being a case in point - Shakespeare`s
version is believed most because he had the loudest voice and it was in his
best interests to propound that view at that time! When you read other
contemporary views you get a totally different picture!

Pat P

Pat P wrote:
wrote in message
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Mirjam Bruck-Cohen wrote:
Dr Brat , Elizabeth often claims that , because i don`t use the Exact
terminology i used before, it means i am not saying the truth. To
Proove her She digs out sentences or part of sentences, which than Out
of trher Wholle Background Context , seem to proove Whatever point she
feels the urge to proove. Writers, Lexigraphers, poets and Even Yes
Elizabeth Even Judges and lawyers And in fact any Human with an
everyday vocubulary , can tell the same exact story , or describe an
event, while changing a word For a parallel or similar word. without
changing the meaning of the fact. I do not go to the archives since i
can not change the facts i tell you , but i can describe things in
parrallel words,,,The vocubulary is there to use ,,,,
I am writing this long letter , as lately , while Proofreading several
books, all with historical based facts + documentations, still many a
time i see the same event described in Similar words , in another
place in the [same] book, thus Since i am proofreading , i have to
check with both writer and papers, to verify that it isn`t a typo or
mistake of some kind ,,,,, Every time opf this , the author showed me
that it was the same event , described in similar but not same words,
Because this is the natural way people speak , about events , about
films about memories.
In the Conference i attended last week , There were various
tesimonies, and we discussed questions of memory , documents , etc,,,
unless a person quotes his own written testimony, there always be
different words , while all facts stay intact.
mirjam



Mirjam, clearly you and Brat will never get along, much like I will
never get along with her. She judges us as inferior to her, it's
obvious.

However, you would most likely be happier if you learned to ignore her,
rather than letting her get to you so much that you feel you must post
messages like this one.

She is truly not worth your time or any emotional energy. We all have
a lot more important things in our lives than allowing one minor pest
to get under our skin, right?

Caryn

This little contre-temps demonstrates what I maintain about history - there
are always so many versions,both written and handed down, that you rarely
know the full truth! Richard III being a case in point - Shakespeare`s
version is believed most because he had the loudest voice and it was in his
best interests to propound that view at that time! When you read other
contemporary views you get a totally different picture!

Pat P




There are several quotes about that sort of thing....

History is written by the winner.

and History, of course, will lie.

Can't remember who said either of them.

Shakespeare's Richard III had to be a total *******, since the Tudors
who replaced him were still very much in power, and Will knew it
wouldn't do to make their old enemy at all sympathetic (or accurate).
LOL

Here in the States you still have folks in the south who refer to the
Civil War as the War of Northern Aggression. The town I live in had
two big battles during that war, which depending on where in America
you live have two different names.

Yankees call them the Battles of Bull Run (stream running thru the
area), while Southerners refer to them as the Battles of Manassas (name
of town).

History seems to be flexible, as new facts and viewpoints emerge over
time.

Caryn

Thank you PP ,
that is the reason that when writing /translating historical documents
and letters i am extremely careful tomtranslate those as Close as one
can to the original , While i am not hesitating to put side by side
the various versions of facts as they were told or written by all my
researched material ,,, in fact i have the great satisfaction of
finding that several people relate to the same events in their own
manner, which gives a more richer i would say almost a more 3D picture
of the events....And History after all is a Braid of Facts that
together are the Story.
mirjam

...

Thank you Caryn for your insight ,,,,
Now that i have all this Official documents , And written and oral
testimonies of people ,, it is interesting to see How personal points
of view are ,,, but of course some events are what they are ,,, you
can`t change the fact that the Twin towers Fell in 9/11 ,, we ALL saw
it ,,,, we all bear Witness to that event ,,,,
Same as in my documents , Officail records , Birth a death Certifacts,
Transport logs, bank records, Cunsulate letters including a Round
nice Stamp ... dates, names .You would be amazed to See how much
information one can have ???? I only wish people had more access to
Typewriters ,,,,, some handwritings are Awful .....

wrote:

Mirjam, clearly you and Brat will never get along, much like I will
never get along with her. She judges us as inferior to her, it's
obvious.

It's only obvious if you already have an inferiority complex. I don't
judge you anything but too stupid to leave me alone when I am leaving
you alone.

However, you would most likely be happier if you learned to ignore her,
rather than letting her get to you so much that you feel you must post
messages like this one.

She promised to ignore me, but she doesn't keep her promises, see? She
even sent me email again today and how many times have I asked her not
to do that? Please notice that I answer Mirjam only when she addresses
me directly, but she goes out of her way to address me directly,
dedicating whole posts to me.

She is truly not worth your time or any emotional energy. We all have
a lot more important things in our lives than allowing one minor pest
to get under our skin, right?

So, Caryn, why is is that I'm not worth Mirjam's time or emotional
energy but I'm worth yours? And how am I a pest, hmmmm? I've been
working very hard at ignoring you. I didn't even post to point out the
obvious flaw in your accusation against jLb, but you just can't leave me
alone can you? Miss the adrenalin of fighting with me do you? Too bad.

Into the killfile with you and Mirjam both.

Elizabeth
--
*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~living well is the best revenge~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*
The most important thing one woman can do for another is to illuminate
and expand her sense of actual possibilities. --Adrienne Rich
*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~ *~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*

No!!!!
You only Insinunuate[d] it , here and there ,,,,,
And made plenty of other unkind , uncalled for hints remarks etc,,,,
Not to forget your double standards posts etc....
mirjam

On Wed, 14 Sep 2005 07:17:12 -0400, in rec.crafts.textiles.needlework
you wrote:

Mirjam Bruck-Cohen wrote:
Dr Brat , Elizabeth often claims that , because i don`t use the Exact
terminology i used before, it means i am not saying the truth.

I have never made this particular claim about you, Mirjam.

Elizabeth
--
*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~living well is the best revenge~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*
The most important thing one woman can do for another is to illuminate
and expand her sense of actual possibilities. --Adrienne Rich
*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~* ~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*

Dr Brat !!!
When you join a discussion i am involved in [like the last postthat
included a Dutch post] i can`t ignore you , it isn`t polite,,,
It's only obvious if you already have an inferiority complex. I don't
judge you anything but too stupid to leave me alone when I am leaving
you alone.
Why do you have to pick on people all the time ? You have time and
again `showed off ` as better than many people here....
She promised to ignore me, but she doesn't keep her promises, see?
No i said i will TRY to ignore your writings ,,,, but you keep pushing
yourself into every subject i react to, and when you talk or react ,
this is oen public place , i can`t ignore you .... ...
She
even sent me email again today and how many times have I asked her not
to do that?
Yes I just noted that by mistake i pushed the wrong button again ,,,,
It is interesting and probably a freudian slip , because of your
Asking me no to do it ,,,, It sometimes happens with other people ,
and they are not as upset about it as you are ,,,, what is your
problem anyway ? just delete it, Or aren`t people like allowed to have
contact with people outside USA ??? Will we poison your Image of
something ???

Please notice that I answer Mirjam only when she addresses
me directly,
You keep charging into subjects i am involved in , in my Culture one
doesn`t look away from a participant in a discussion ....
but she goes out of her way to address me directly,
dedicating whole posts to me.
Aha, it is so different when the shoe falls on your foot ??? doesn`t
it???? ,,you have done it to me , or participated willingly in an all
general flame and attack on me , more than once .You have done it to
others, several times.
So, Caryn, why is is that I'm not worth Mirjam's time or emotional
energy but I'm worth yours? And how am I a pest, hmmmm? I've been
working very hard at ignoring you. I didn't even post to point out the
obvious flaw in your accusation against jLb, but you just can't leave me
alone can you? Miss the adrenalin of fighting with me do you? Too bad.
it seems to me dr Brat ,, that you have just put the last straw on the
camel`s back ,,,,, to more than one person .....
Into the killfile with you and Mirjam both.
Very mature and Brave behviour ,,,, And while doing it, don`t forget
to go on lecturing to others here, as you so often did to me, about
being responsible to your words.....
It is soon our new head of year ,,,, i wish you a very happy new year
Dr Brat.
mirjam