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knitting smarter was Knitting speed ??
Tara wrote:
Of course none of us is purely in one category, or the other (otherwise I would never have any finished things). Let's try this a different way. You've signed up for a difficult class at your local rec centre. You have a list of materials and tools to bring to class, the pattern to be handed out by the teacher. You pack up the required yarn, the correct needles, etc in your workbag. You grab your workbag and head off to class. Before you enter the classroom, you open the workbag and realize you grabbed the wrong one; but this one has yarn (wrong size) and needles (appropriate to the size of the yarn). Do you leave without entering the class as it would be a waste of time not having the correct materials? Enter the classroom, explain the error to the teacher and take the pattern home to figure it out on your own? Stay for the class, knowing that what you did wouldn't be part of the finished product? Other options? I'm gonna muck this up some more with this response, but this is the way I am. If it's a technique class, like learning techniques to make a traditional gansey, I stay; the sample can be done with any yarn-needle combination. If it's a class that was intended to produce a finished product - let's say a throw pillow using bulky yarn and #15 needles and all I have is bedspread cotton and 2-mm needles - I go home. I would explain to the instructor just why I was gonna leave, though, and ask for a copy of the pattern; after all these years I can make my way through most patterns, even those charted ones that Noreen despises so much g The Other Kim kimagreenfieldatyahoodotcom |
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knitting smarter was Knitting speed ??
On Sun, 20 Aug 2006 18:14:11 -0700, The Other Kim spun a fine yarn
snipped after all these years I can make my way through most patterns, even those charted ones that Noreen despises so much g The Other Kim kimagreenfieldatyahoodotcom ... I'm despising them less and less tho! Noreen -- I am not young enough to know everything. http://www.lulu.com/content/292418 - - - - - --- avast! AV: Outbound message clean. Virus Database (VPS): 0633-4, 08/18/2006 Tested: 8/20/2006 11:03:58 PM avast! - (c) 1988-2006 http://www.avast.com |
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knitting smarter was Knitting speed ??
From my many knitting years as well as teaching crafts i can tell you
for sure that That there are variations in tension , that happen to the BEST knitter. it has to do with many factors ,,, from moods to health problems or just tiredeness,,,,, as to mistakes , thisis a matter of culture ,, in my Knitted shirt During the last weeks i found a mistake in the pattern ,,,and i left it there , for knowing that being human i am not perfect , and in bad times maybe it is beter to have a flaw in a shirt , than a wounded person .I leave it as sign of having made it Healthy and whole through this war. As to Beautiful , this is also a matter of culture or in the eye of the beholder. Warm enough or not warm enough ? what are you talking about I haven`t seen any pattern coming with the instructions saying that this would make you feel warm in X centigrades,,,, Feeling warm is a very personal thing , i have friends who wear a cotton shawl and sweat , while i freeze with 2 sweaters and a coat over them . Even Durability is a matter of culture, some people like to wear the same clothes for years some like to have new ones , Some people are accident prone where ever they walk they or their clothes might catch a nail or something ,,,, some can walk through a fire and look groomed .. Some things aren`t finnished on time for the many things Life can do to you , THIS HAS NOTHING To do with the Quality of the garment once it is finnished. There is an old Jewish folkstory ,, Where a tailor debates with a custumer about the quality of his suit making . The tailor says he needs a month ,, the custumer wants it in a week , and points out to the Tailor that God Created the world in 6 days... "Well , " says the tailor , Look at the world`s imperfections and Look at my perfect suits." mirjam From my view: If there are errors - it is not better knitting. If there are variations in tension, then it is not "better knitting." If the resulting product is not "beautiful" then it is not "better knitting." If the garment is too warm or not warm enough, then it is not "better knitting." If the garment is not durable enough for its intended use, then it is not "better knitting." If the garment is not finished on time, then it is not better knitting. If no garment is attempted because it would take too long to knit, then it is not 'better knitting." If your wrists hurt, (because of your knitting) then it is not "better knitting." That is what better knitting is not! Most of the stuff I do (when I am not just testing to find a better way) is from Gladys Thompson - mostly knit at 7 to 9 spi with worsted weight yarn to produce a firm fabric. The gansey that I am working on right now has only 12 cables bordering 6 panels of moss diamonds up the body, and it is real easy because I can always see the pattern. However, I think you will find Gladys Thompson's Aran patterns to be as challenging as any knitting patterns, any where. (Chart them first, some patterns have errors in them and some are just confusing.) The GT patterns have more twisted stitches in them that keeps everything tight and gives it a lovely fine texture. However, they also make you pay attention. Those ladies really understood beautiful fabric. If I am going to knit that stuff, I gotta be able to knit without messing up my wrists. I gotta be a "better knitter." And, I am thinking about a Sheringham jersey in the classic "rig and fur" pattern (more moss diamonds) which looks good when knit up at about 12 spi/20 rpi, but maybe the yarn that I had thought to use is not "fast enough" It looks and feels real nice knit at that gauge, but it does not really facilitate knitting at a pace that would let me finish in a reasonable time. And of course, in the best knitting tradition, note the typo in the chart. Sometimes better knitting is knitting that just gets a whole lot of little moss diamonds knit. Aaron "YarnWright" wrote in message ... On Sat, 19 Aug 2006 14:52:51 -0700, The Other Kim spun a fine yarn Aaron wrote: I have no problems with anyone knitting as slowly as they want to. But, I want to be a better knitter. I want to knit with less effort. A by-product of knitting with less effort is knitting faster. Speed is not the goal. Knitting with less effort is the goal. That's the goal for you. You apparently equate "better" with increased speed. I don't. I, too, want to be a "better" knitter, but with the types of patterns I like to do faster would lead to worse results. I prefer to challenge myself with complicated textures and lace patterns, and in these cases increased speed would not be a good thing. My goal is to produce the best results I can. It really doesn't matter to me if someone can knock out 10 rows to my 1; more power to them. My results are good, and that's what matters to me. The Other Kim kimagreenfieldatyahoodotcom Kim, I say BRAVO, perfect response! Noreen who... while I tend to sorta *be* 'fast'... would rather do GOOD work than FAST, with errors! -- I am not young enough to know everything. http://www.lulu.com/content/292418 - - - - - --- avast! AV: Outbound message clean. Virus Database (VPS): 0633-4, 08/18/2006 Tested: 8/20/2006 10:14:12 AM avast! - (c) 1988-2006 http://www.avast.com |
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Same here i wouldn`t leave i will make many notes and coming will try
to make the part i should haver made in class ,,, There is always something to learn from every situation, mirjam I am with Katherine, I would not leave the class. I would stay for the class and practice with my wrong yarn and needles. The purpose of the class would be to learn the technique, not to end up with a finished product. Alison |
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knitting smarter was Knitting speed ??
Hurray for learning!
20% of my "Knitting time" is for "learning knitting," and not "Knitting" In the end, I knit better and get more knitting done. Aaron "Alison" wrote in message ... Let's try this a different way. You've signed up for a difficult class at your local rec centre. You have a list of materials and tools to bring to class, the pattern to be handed out by the teacher. You pack up the required yarn, the correct needles, etc in your workbag. You grab your workbag and head off to class. Before you enter the classroom, you open the workbag and realize you grabbed the wrong one; but this one has yarn (wrong size) and needles (appropriate to the size of the yarn). Do you leave without entering the class as it would be a waste of time not having the correct materials? Enter the classroom, explain the error to the teacher and take the pattern home to figure it out on your own? Stay for the class, knowing that what you did wouldn't be part of the finished product? Other options? I am with Katherine, I would not leave the class. I would stay for the class and practice with my wrong yarn and needles. The purpose of the class would be to learn the technique, not to end up with a finished product. Alison |
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On Mon, 21 Aug 2006 16:17:45 GMT, spun a fine yarn
Hurray for learning! 20% of my "Knitting time" is for "learning knitting," and not "Knitting" In the end, I knit better and get more knitting done. Aaron As a convert from English/American to German/Continental, I've now set *my* "learning" sights on Eastern - crossed, or combination knitting! YAY FOR LEARNING! Noreen -- I am not young enough to know everything. http://www.lulu.com/content/292418 - - - - - --- avast! AV: Outbound message clean. Virus Database (VPS): 0634-0, 08/21/2006 Tested: 8/21/2006 1:21:20 PM avast! - (c) 1988-2006 http://www.avast.com |
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knitting smarter was Knitting speed ??
"Tara D" skrev i melding ... On Sun, 20 Aug 2006 09:55:03 -0700, "The Other Kim" wrote: Do you leave without entering the class as it would be a waste of time not having the correct materials? Enter the classroom, explain the error to the teacher and take the pattern home to figure it out on your own? Stay for the class, knowing that what you did wouldn't be part of the finished product? Other options? Tara Of course I would stay!!! I am way too curious to go home!!! ;-D AUD ;-)) |
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knitting smarter was Knitting speed ??
For Me ANY Knitting related activity is both learning and both
knitting , i can`t and won`t measure which part or how many percentage of the knitting is learning or `actually ` doing it. I don`t know how you learned to read or swim but for me the more i do those the better i am at doing them. For me knitting is in my mind, and in my heart and in my muscles it is every where in my body. mirjam Hurray for learning! 20% of my "Knitting time" is for "learning knitting," and not "Knitting" In the end, I knit better and get more knitting done. Aaron |
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knitting smarter was Knitting speed ??
When I learned to read, there were planned drills to improve my reading speed, planned drills to improve my reading comprehension, planned drills to improve my reading endurance - and there was lots of reading for fun. It worked, I am still a pretty good reader, and I still plan drills to improve my reading skills. When I learned to swim, there were drills for speed, drills for endurance, drills for holding my breath, and swimming for fun. There have been some times when I just had to swim for it, but the drills paid off, and each time I made it. Sure I knit for fun, but I also plan drills to improve my knitting, just as I still plan drills to improve my other skills. After all, someday I just might have to knit for it. Aaron "Mirjam Bruck-Cohen" wrote in message ... For Me ANY Knitting related activity is both learning and both knitting , i can`t and won`t measure which part or how many percentage of the knitting is learning or `actually ` doing it. I don`t know how you learned to read or swim but for me the more i do those the better i am at doing them. For me knitting is in my mind, and in my heart and in my muscles it is every where in my body. mirjam Hurray for learning! 20% of my "Knitting time" is for "learning knitting," and not "Knitting" In the end, I knit better and get more knitting done. Aaron |
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skrev i melding et... When I learned to read, there were planned drills to improve my reading speed, planned drills to improve my reading comprehension, planned drills I am glad I never was drilled, I was motivated, and the skills came/still comes from practise because of my love to read, swim AND knit. NOT to be faster, but more secure. I am able to knit pretty fast, after 56 years of knitting, but as I said earlier, I don't want to force the speed, I will relax my hands, shoulders and my mind while knitting. We are different in "body rythm" (can you understand what i mean?) When walking, I'm most relaxed if I can walk relatively fast. My daughter always says: why are you "stressing" like this? Even she is much more trained and athletic than I am. MY body likes to running better than "jogging". I'm sure we are differnt! But I do not like to knit fast, even I am fully able to speed up. I am sure OTHERS love to knit fast, enjoying the "flow" of it. When I read all the messages, I think we can agree about that, And what is a fact: People learn differently! There is NO fasit to it!(listen to a well educated and experianced pedagogue! LOL) Enjoy your knitting all of you, fast or slow, AND Aron, you say you are a nerd TWICE a year (I loved that!!) I am sure I can be a nerd in some ways, but you tempt me to be a "how-fast-can-I-knit-nerd" just for once,LOL! Aud ;-) |
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