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Every time I allow this sort of thing to start, as I did with the initial
post from "lgreene", it ends up escalating, and I end up feeling like I've stepped in something nasty that I didn't see coming in time. What is the one common denominator every time this happens? It'd be easier to see this kind of thing coming if you'd take your blinders off. I saw this train wreck coming from Abrashas first post. In this case, Mr. Greene (?) does use a munged reply address, and Abrasha specifically asked, in his post, for an exception so that he could answer an email he says he got from the fellow in private, which was, he says, more vitriolic than what Mr. greene sent to the group. Probably against my better judgement, I allowed it on the thought that letting Abrasha reply seemed somehow fair. Does the charter address "fair" insulting? I'll bet MY reply, if worded similarly, would not have been allowed. No matter how many disclaimers I added. |
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Marilee J. Layman wrote:
................ That's the same kind of ring, just a different style. The TV show Witchblade had similar hand-armor. Well, I dunno, Marilee. If you were a finger, and another finger challenged you to a toothpick duel you might want the 'real' armor. -- cheers, m |
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Perhaps it's timely to say thankyou to Peter for being the moderator. I do
not envy him the job and appreciate all the time he puts in. So, thankyou Peter. Marisa (AU/NZ) |
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Gee you type good Peter !
I'm a black and white kind of guy, charter says no flames. So to me that means all put downs dont get posted. If folks dont see there post, they know they should reword it. I like a moderated group, your making the job too hard on your self. And I feel you should never ever nohow noway edit a post, that would tick me off. Just dont post it! Thanks for doing the moderating, I would help some, but feel I'm too new here to be trusted yet; and thats OK. Les Saunders Paladin Iron Works Yorktown VA Male 6'2" 220 lbs Dark hair Blue eyes Fair skin Likes Tequila and good cigars Wants to know how to pronounce Periodot |
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On 11-Jan-2004, m wrote: Well, I dunno, Marilee. If you were a finger, and another finger challenged you to a toothpick duel you might want the 'real' armor. -- cheers, m I would just call in my thumb to take care of the light work Les |
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Abrasha's first post contained nothing that even remotely would have barred
it from inclusion, Agreed, but you had to see that there would be a serious amount of backlash. Might be the blinder thing. Still, ABSOLUTELY no reason to bar the post. and Mr. Greene's reply, though it commented on Abrasha's attitude, just didn't seem to cross any lines of incivility. Again agreed. This is not where the disagreement stems from (at least from my viewpoint). So, in my place, just when would you have stopped this? Well first off, I wouldn't have hopped in right away to defend Abrasha. Igreene made an amazingly nice response to him, and you jumped in with a lengthy retort, defending him. I would have probably stopped it he "And oh yes, he claims to be a lawyer who does a lot of "pro bono" work, which based on the tone of his note to me does not surprise me, because he cannot possibly find any paying customers." That sounds a bit like a personal attack to me. I have to admit though, it's not quite as bad as "You are a slimy worm. And a common street hustling coward. Actually a street hustler has more style than you have". As insults go, that's a damn good one. Abrasha's most recent post? Perhaps. As I noted, I came close. As with all of these situations, it's a judgement call. "You are a slimy worm. And a common street hustling coward. Actually a street hustler has more style than you have." Judgment call? In the same situation, had you been the one feeling attacked, I'd have allowed your reply too. Well actually, if everyone was playing by the same rules, I would hope that you didn't allow me to respond in the same vein. If you (the charter) are going to disallow personal attacks, I think that's great. I would just like to see that flail applied equally. I know, "nero" that you feel I play favorites. Not favorites. Favorite. I haven't seen the same level of forgiveness shown for anyone else. Friend or foe. I really try not to. And as much crap as I give you, I honestly believe that you really DO try not to show favorites. I just feel that you have a huge blind spot where Abrasha is concerned. I don't, for example, recall any of your posts in the past that I've rejected unreasonably. Agreed. My argument has never been that you reject our posts unreasonably. My argument has always been that you ALLOW posts from Abrasha, that the rest of us would never be allowed to get away with. I CAN recall a fair number of Abrashas that I have had to reject You mean he called someone something worse than "a slimy worm. And a common street hustling coward" ? The charter is fairly simple. It says personal attacks are not allowed. And as much as that irks me on occassion, I'm willing to live by that rule as long as it is applied equally. Should I reprint the above again? But it also gives the moderator pretty much free reign to make the decisions. That leaves you pretty free to snipe all you wish at my decisions after they're made, without having to make them yourself. Granted. I do, as I've said, try to be fair and impartial. But heck. I'm human. In Abrasha's case, I've met the man several times, Which should really have nothing to do with the price of tea in Chna. snip For many of you in the group, all I know of you is your cyber name, your email address. In your case, ne333ro, for example, I don't know your real name, where you're from, what you do, or even if you're male or female, young or old, or really anything else about you. It doesn't or at least shouldn't matter, really, in the context of whether to allow your posts, but it does mean I've got less information to go on. Maybe you need to judge those you know, the same as you judge those you don't. There's a bunch more of us you dont know. snip If you'd like to help improving this sort of situation, then feel free to offer to help out Thats what I'm attempting to do here. with the moderation of the group. Not in this lifetime. Or, if you'd like, I'd be quite happy to pass the baton entirely to you, if you want the job and feel you could do better. At no time have I ever said anything resembling that. The bottom line is this. I do what I can. Sometimes that will include mistakes. And thats fine. Just don't expect me to refrain from pointing out when I feel that you are making some of those mistakes. Deal with it, or offer to actually help, instead of just complaining. Was I complaining, or pointing out what I considered to be inconsistancies in the way our charted is enforced? And for the record, even though I'm unhappy with the wording of Abrashas most recent posting, I still feel that I made the correct call in approving it. I disagree. It was a direct personal attack with no redeeming qualities. And hey. This isn't anything as serious as going to war over non-existant weapons of mass destruction. Big difference between non-existant and non-found. To early to call that one IMO. But WAY OT. |
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I politiely asked a supply question for a group project I am doing,
twice in the last week or so and it is not posted. It is ON topic. WHat gives? Nned [[moderator's response: Ned, I've gotton no such posts from you. yet this one reached me just fine. Did you cross post the requests to more than this group? Sometimes that messes things up. Otherwise, resend your request, and to be safe, cc: it to me directly, at , just in case something is odd again. That way I should at least get the direct emailed copy, and it will serve as a crosscheck on the news posted copy. Mostly it will let me check to see if your news server is correctly forwarding the message. It did, with this one. Otherwise, I've no idea why your posts didn't reach me. Sometimes that just happens... PWR ]] |
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