patina recipe

Does anybody know which chemicals to use or mix for achieving black,
copper and bronze patina for solder?

"Yvetta Voldan" wrote in message
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Does anybody know which chemicals to use or mix for achieving black,
copper and bronze patina for solder?


Just curious, why "re-invent the wheel"? buy it ready made.

It is far cheaper to produce big quantities than make a little bit.

Copper sulfate and warm water, make super saturated solution by mixing while
warm = copper patina

copper sulfate, water and muriatic acid,(small amount, test alot) = black
patina

there are, no doubt, other formulas and variations of these,this is just a
base beginning spot.

bronze? mix the black and dilute with water alot, put it on weak and
"build" to color you want.

Thanks

Unfortunately it´s difficult to find supplies for stained glass work
in Sweden, most of the tools I have bought by Internet in USA. But we
do have drugstores and hardware stores, thats why......

Yvetta

On Sat, 18 Sep 2004 09:50:06 -0400, "Javahut"
wrote:


"Yvetta Voldan" wrote in message
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Does anybody know which chemicals to use or mix for achieving black,
copper and bronze patina for solder?


Just curious, why "re-invent the wheel"? buy it ready made.

It is far cheaper to produce big quantities than make a little bit.

Copper sulfate and warm water, make super saturated solution by mixing while
warm = copper patina

copper sulfate, water and muriatic acid,(small amount, test alot) = black
patina

there are, no doubt, other formulas and variations of these,this is just a
base beginning spot.

bronze? mix the black and dilute with water alot, put it on weak and
"build" to color you want.

"Yvetta Voldan" wrote in message
...
Thanks

Unfortunately it´s difficult to find supplies for stained glass work
in Sweden, most of the tools I have bought by Internet in USA. But we
do have drugstores and hardware stores, thats why......

Yvetta

In that case, here is what I would recommend,

Instead of mucking your solder with chemicals, use an old trick, that still
works quite well, and looks great, without adding more chemicals to your
shelf.

When you build a panel with lead cames, you cement/grout/ putty it to fill
the gap between lead and glass to weather proof the panel. Use the same
material, but thin it alot with turpentine/TRPS and use a NATURAL bristle
brush. Put a small amount to the thinned cement (made with lamp black?) on
the brush bristles and buff the panel with that "patinaed" brush, your
solder will gain a very nice, dark pewter color in very short order.

With copper,you still use the copper sulfate.

Put a small amount to the thinned cement (made with lamp black?) on
the brush bristles and buff the panel with that "patinaed" brush, your
solder will gain a very nice, dark pewter color in very short order.
an old floor polishing machine does wonders for this
Bart.
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"Bart V" wrote in message
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Put a small amount to the thinned cement (made with lamp black?) on
the brush bristles and buff the panel with that "patinaed" brush, your
solder will gain a very nice, dark pewter color in very short order.
an old floor polishing machine does wonders for this
Bart.


Only if I want to catch it as it flies across the room!! Sometimes "high
tech" ain't.

flies across the room!! Sometimes "high tech" ain't.
Flies don't polish worth a darn A while ago there was a
discussion about them small floor polishers that were popular in the
70's, the ones with two six inch brushes. I just lay the glass panels
on a piece of cardboard on the floor and they buff up the cames to a
real nice and almost pitch black shine. Properly made & puttied panels
(gotta wait till the putty is cured) are plenty strong enough as
there's very little weight put on by the polishing machine. Yup, sure
works real sweet and haven't broken a panel yet.
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Check my most up to date email address at:
www.haruteq.com/contact.htm
banjo bridges, tabs, stained glass:
www.haruteq.com

**may your moments of need be met by moments of compassion**

"Bart V" wrote in message
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flies across the room!! Sometimes "high tech" ain't.
Flies don't polish worth a darn A while ago there was a
discussion about them small floor polishers that were popular in the
70's, the ones with two six inch brushes. I just lay the glass panels
on a piece of cardboard on the floor and they buff up the cames to a
real nice and almost pitch black shine. Properly made & puttied panels
(gotta wait till the putty is cured) are plenty strong enough as
there's very little weight put on by the polishing machine. Yup, sure
works real sweet and haven't broken a panel yet.
-

Why not use a natural bristle round brush with your electric drill?

--
JK Sinrod
Sinrod Stained Glass Studios
www.sinrodstudios.com
Coney Island Memories
www.sinrodstudios.com/coneymemories

i do that. it wears out the drill pretty quickly as it's not made for
spinning and applying that much pressure to that much weight. it's also hard
to get an adapter to fit the drill and if it's a little offcenter, a bear to
hold onto.

"jk" wrote in message
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"Bart V" wrote in message
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flies across the room!! Sometimes "high tech" ain't.
Flies don't polish worth a darn A while ago there was a
discussion about them small floor polishers that were popular in the
70's, the ones with two six inch brushes. I just lay the glass panels
on a piece of cardboard on the floor and they buff up the cames to a
real nice and almost pitch black shine. Properly made & puttied panels
(gotta wait till the putty is cured) are plenty strong enough as
there's very little weight put on by the polishing machine. Yup, sure
works real sweet and haven't broken a panel yet.
-

Why not use a natural bristle round brush with your electric drill?

--
JK Sinrod
Sinrod Stained Glass Studios
www.sinrodstudios.com
Coney Island Memories
www.sinrodstudios.com/coneymemories

"Bart V" wrote in message
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Why not use a natural bristle round brush with your electric drill?
This machine has natural bristles and it's real quiet.
Besides, being able to let it "ride" over the panel and "steering" it
with only one hand leaves the other hand free for mr. coffee cup
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I have one of those machines around, and I intend to give it a "spin". The
only thing that worries me is that it's pretty heavy.

--
JK Sinrod
Sinrod Stained Glass Studios
www.sinrodstudios.com
Coney Island Memories
www.sinrodstudios.com/coneymemories